Newcastle may delay striker signing until summer

[LeazesMag 0]

says one of the most naive 38 year olds anywhere

Sorry I'm not a doom and gloom,glass half empty,woe is me merchant but I'm enjoying the football and like the spirit in the team.

 

I'm 39 BTW

 

sadly for you, I'm one of the most positive minded NUFC fans you will find, because I've correctly identified the problem with the setup of the club [which is piss easy when you watched a bunch of complete cretins run the club in the same manner for 30 years] and what needs to be done about it.

 

Basically, as per the title of this thread, a club with real european ambitions would have partnered Ba with Carroll or a top replacement for carroll. This is just one example of the difference between a club with real ambition [and the potential and capability to sustain it] and a club happy to tread water.

 

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, and others.

Edited December 21, 2011 by LeazesMag

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

says one of the most naive 38 year olds anywhere

Sorry I'm not a doom and gloom,glass half empty,woe is me merchant but I'm enjoying the football and like the spirit in the team.

 

I'm 39 BTW

 

sadly for you, I'm one of the most positive minded NUFC fans you will find, because I've correctly identified the problem with the setup of the club [which is piss easy when you watched a bunch of complete cretins run the club in the same manner for 30 years] and what needs to be done about it.

 

Basically, as per the title of this thread, a club with real european ambitions would have partnered Ba with Carroll or a top replacement for carroll. This is just one example of the difference between a club with real ambition [and the potential and capability to sustain it] and a club happy to tread water.

 

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, and others.

Should we finish above last seasons position then we won't be treading water. That will be called progress

[LeazesMag 0]

says one of the most naive 38 year olds anywhere

Sorry I'm not a doom and gloom,glass half empty,woe is me merchant but I'm enjoying the football and like the spirit in the team.

 

I'm 39 BTW

 

sadly for you, I'm one of the most positive minded NUFC fans you will find, because I've correctly identified the problem with the setup of the club [which is piss easy when you watched a bunch of complete cretins run the club in the same manner for 30 years] and what needs to be done about it.

 

Basically, as per the title of this thread, a club with real european ambitions would have partnered Ba with Carroll or a top replacement for carroll. This is just one example of the difference between a club with real ambition [and the potential and capability to sustain it] and a club happy to tread water.

 

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, and others.

Should we finish above last seasons position then we won't be treading water. That will be called progress

 

its a decent position achieved by a good manager with his hands tied. It will not be sustained in the long term, for the reasons I have outlined to you. Again.

 

Anyway, its only December. A month ago we were in the top 4. Where do you think we will finish ? Come back in May, or even May 2013 and make the same point, if you can. Unfortunately, there is half the season to go.

Edited December 21, 2011 by LeazesMag

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Why don't you wait to see what transpires during the window, Leazes?

[JawD 99]

Tbf LM, you're right, a club with that aspires to be in Europe would have tried harder to keep AC but tbf, I think Man utd might have accepted £35M for him? Enrique I think we let go too easy as penny pinching. Id also liked us to have kept Barton.

 

I stand by my point that I think you are wrong saying we are a club in decline. It's just not that straight forward unless you quantify your point. Like, since when?

 

For the record, I think we'll finish 7th maybe 8th.

 

I also think we'll sell Tiote and make do with Guthrie.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

says one of the most naive 38 year olds anywhere

Sorry I'm not a doom and gloom,glass half empty,woe is me merchant but I'm enjoying the football and like the spirit in the team.

 

I'm 39 BTW

 

sadly for you, I'm one of the most positive minded NUFC fans you will find, because I've correctly identified the problem with the setup of the club [which is piss easy when you watched a bunch of complete cretins run the club in the same manner for 30 years] and what needs to be done about it.

 

Basically, as per the title of this thread, a club with real european ambitions would have partnered Ba with Carroll or a top replacement for carroll. This is just one example of the difference between a club with real ambition [and the potential and capability to sustain it] and a club happy to tread water.

 

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, and others.

Should we finish above last seasons position then we won't be treading water. That will be called progress

 

its a decent position achieved by a good manager with his hands tied. It will not be sustained in the long term, for the reasons I have outlined to you. Again.

 

Anyway, its only December. A month ago we were in the top 4. Where do you think we will finish ? Come back in May, or even May 2013 and make the same point, if you can. Unfortunately, there is half the season to go.

Top 8

 

Hope to secure Collo, would like to keep Tiote but if Chelsea/Man U come knocking he's off, fact of life. Gotta get massive money for him and replace him. We need to deal at this level to progress to the next level, maybe 2 years maybe more but the truth is nobody knows.

 

Who predicted ten years ago the stupid money ruining the game today?

[StoneColdStephenIreland 74]

He is basing it on this article man.

 

http://www.journalli...61634-29981064/?

 

 

 

 

 

Concerns over Maiga's fitness combined with the good form of Demba Ba and their other strikers appears to have lessened the urgency in the St James' Park boardroom to bring in the long-mooted replacement for Andy Carroll.

 

 

why bother trying to finish higher than mid table obscurity

Why don't you wait until after the window closes before whining. They agreed 8mil deal and he failed a medical so why do you think another Striker won't be targeted?

 

Maybe because they had 7 months to get one last transfer window but got no-one, maybe it has something to do with that?

Maybe you would have liked Crouch for 10m or Bendtner on 80k a week??

 

They didn't land their target, they tried and succeeded before this window even opens then he's failed his medical. It's obvious they want a striker and are willing to spend, Pardew has also said a defender too, I don't expect any more than that tho

 

Aye because Crouch and Bendtner were the only 2 strikers available to choose from you utter muppet. They had 7 month, YES 7 WHOLE MONTHS! To scout and recognise a striker to sign, if they really wanted a striker they could have got one in the summer, did they no. Trying is not good enough, the money is there to get one, we're not asking to go and splash £15 to £20 million on a striker but 7 months of scouting should have gotten us a striker.

I didn't say they were, I was simply using those as an example of what was around and the costs involved.

 

I would rather the club did its homework and got the right players with the right mentality to fit in with the squad.

 

I fully admit I was dissapointed we didn't get another sooner but BA's ripping it up so someone to compliment him, get Ben Arfa firing, Best is doing well and even Shola has broken sweat a few times. I think our main priority should be a CB then tie up Collo and concentrate on a Striker when that's done

 

 

We sorely needed a couple of strikers as was proven by the utter crap we had to watch of Shola and Lovenkrands upfront for the last few months of last season, getting Ba was a step in the right direction but was only signed because he was a free, if there was a fee involved there's no doubt in my mind that he wouldn't be here. As said before 7 month is more than enough time to divise a list of strikers to sign, so if we failed with one bid we would then have a back-up plan, but there wasn't one. Now almost 12 months we're still no nearer to getting one after throwing all our eggs in one basket with Maiga to see the deal fall through.

 

All it takes is a bit of planning but it seems the past few windows has been gambled on instead of planned which shouldnt be happening at any club nevermind a Premier league club

[Lake Bells tits 1]

There is a simple reason it is taking so long. We wont pay the going rate for decent strikers.

Also, people ridiculing stoke for signing Crouch. Lets see who is laughing come may.

[LeazesMag 0]

Tbf LM, you're right, a club with that aspires to be in Europe would have tried harder to keep AC but tbf, I think Man utd might have accepted £35M for him? Enrique I think we let go too easy as penny pinching. Id also liked us to have kept Barton.

 

I stand by my point that I think you are wrong saying we are a club in decline. It's just not that straight forward unless you quantify your point. Like, since when?

 

For the record, I think we'll finish 7th maybe 8th.

 

I also think we'll sell Tiote and make do with Guthrie.

 

which is absolutely all the proof you should need that we are a club in decline

Edited December 21, 2011 by LeazesMag

[Ayatollah Hermione 14064]

Us for getting Ba for free?

[LeazesMag 0]

says one of the most naive 38 year olds anywhere

Sorry I'm not a doom and gloom,glass half empty,woe is me merchant but I'm enjoying the football and like the spirit in the team.

 

I'm 39 BTW

 

sadly for you, I'm one of the most positive minded NUFC fans you will find, because I've correctly identified the problem with the setup of the club [which is piss easy when you watched a bunch of complete cretins run the club in the same manner for 30 years] and what needs to be done about it.

 

Basically, as per the title of this thread, a club with real european ambitions would have partnered Ba with Carroll or a top replacement for carroll. This is just one example of the difference between a club with real ambition [and the potential and capability to sustain it] and a club happy to tread water.

 

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, and others.

Should we finish above last seasons position then we won't be treading water. That will be called progress

 

its a decent position achieved by a good manager with his hands tied. It will not be sustained in the long term, for the reasons I have outlined to you. Again.

 

Anyway, its only December. A month ago we were in the top 4. Where do you think we will finish ? Come back in May, or even May 2013 and make the same point, if you can. Unfortunately, there is half the season to go.

Top 8

 

Hope to secure Collo, would like to keep Tiote but if Chelsea/Man U come knocking he's off, fact of life. Gotta get massive money for him and replace him. We need to deal at this level to progress to the next level, maybe 2 years maybe more but the truth is nobody knows.

 

Who predicted ten years ago the stupid money ruining the game today?

 

money has always "ruined" the game.

 

When are we going to buy a partner for Ba to replace Carroll, as you talk about "replacing" Tiote ?

 

You really just don't get this do you ?

Edited December 21, 2011 by LeazesMag

[LeazesMag 0]

There is a simple reason it is taking so long. We wont pay the going rate for decent strikers.

Also, people ridiculing stoke for signing Crouch. Lets see who is laughing come may.

 

exactly

 

Strange phenomena this, supposedly knowledgeable football supporters getting carried away by a few good results against largely the poorer sides in the league and thinking the season ends in November.

Edited December 21, 2011 by LeazesMag

[JawD 99]

Tbf LM, you're right, a club with that aspires to be in Europe would have tried harder to keep AC but tbf, I think Man utd might have accepted £35M for him? Enrique I think we let go too easy as penny pinching. Id also liked us to have kept Barton.

 

I stand by my point that I think you are wrong saying we are a club in decline. It's just not that straight forward unless you quantify your point. Like, since when?

 

For the record, I think we'll finish 7th maybe 8th.

 

I also think we'll sell Tiote and make do with Guthrie.

 

which is absolutely all the proof you should need that we are a club in decline

 

Well, different of what we mean by club in decline I think. Im only on about league position. you I think are also taking into account status, ability to hold on to bigger players etc.

[The Fish 10972]

 

Leazes, if we get into European competition by the virtue of League or Cup success, would you consider that progress?

 

Please answer this question succinctly, please don't answer this question with a question as that is not an answer.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

says one of the most naive 38 year olds anywhere

Sorry I'm not a doom and gloom,glass half empty,woe is me merchant but I'm enjoying the football and like the spirit in the team.

 

I'm 39 BTW

 

sadly for you, I'm one of the most positive minded NUFC fans you will find, because I've correctly identified the problem with the setup of the club [which is piss easy when you watched a bunch of complete cretins run the club in the same manner for 30 years] and what needs to be done about it.

 

Basically, as per the title of this thread, a club with real european ambitions would have partnered Ba with Carroll or a top replacement for carroll. This is just one example of the difference between a club with real ambition [and the potential and capability to sustain it] and a club happy to tread water.

 

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, and others.

Should we finish above last seasons position then we won't be treading water. That will be called progress

 

its a decent position achieved by a good manager with his hands tied. It will not be sustained in the long term, for the reasons I have outlined to you. Again.

 

Anyway, its only December. A month ago we were in the top 4. Where do you think we will finish ? Come back in May, or even May 2013 and make the same point, if you can. Unfortunately, there is half the season to go.

Top 8

 

Hope to secure Collo, would like to keep Tiote but if Chelsea/Man U come knocking he's off, fact of life. Gotta get massive money for him and replace him. We need to deal at this level to progress to the next level, maybe 2 years maybe more but the truth is nobody knows.

 

Who predicted ten years ago the stupid money ruining the game today?

 

money has always "ruined" the game.

 

When are we going to buy a partner for Ba to replace Carroll, as you talk about "replacing" Tiote ?

 

You really just don't get this do you ?

Money has always been a factor now its THE factor. You have players jumping ship to less prestigious clubs for the almighty buck

 

I do get it, I'm dealing with it. On the other hand you are not

[Happy Face 29]

Again - I'll worry during and after the window.

 

This sounds very familiar.

 

3rd window in a row at least.

[LeazesMag 0]

 

Leazes, if we get into European competition by the virtue of League or Cup success, would you consider that progress?

 

Please answer this question succinctly, please don't answer this question with a question as that is not an answer.

 

I hope we can win a trophy [even the League Cup, and I am inside the stadium at the time] before I can't go to games anymore or even worse kick the bucket, but I see progress as a longer term thing than a short blip lasting a year or two. Which is what I think the current run is, which is down to a good manager doing a good job with his hands tied. Under the McKeags, Seymours etc we had the same. Gordon Lee and Arthur Cox did a good job under the same restrictions, and of course Joe Harvey who in the end just couldn't go any more. Anything that happens is short term, and won't last. So I see progress in terms of the setup of the club, and the ability to sustain and build.

 

Sorry if that is not "succinctly" but that's how I see it. The club is in decline, simply because it isn't aiming for the heights befitting it anymore, that we had came to expect, and if it doesn't aim for them it won't reach them, which is why I use the term "decline".

[LeazesMag 0]

says one of the most naive 38 year olds anywhere

Sorry I'm not a doom and gloom,glass half empty,woe is me merchant but I'm enjoying the football and like the spirit in the team.

 

I'm 39 BTW

 

sadly for you, I'm one of the most positive minded NUFC fans you will find, because I've correctly identified the problem with the setup of the club [which is piss easy when you watched a bunch of complete cretins run the club in the same manner for 30 years] and what needs to be done about it.

 

Basically, as per the title of this thread, a club with real european ambitions would have partnered Ba with Carroll or a top replacement for carroll. This is just one example of the difference between a club with real ambition [and the potential and capability to sustain it] and a club happy to tread water.

 

I don't know how many times this needs to be explained to you, and others.

Should we finish above last seasons position then we won't be treading water. That will be called progress

 

its a decent position achieved by a good manager with his hands tied. It will not be sustained in the long term, for the reasons I have outlined to you. Again.

 

Anyway, its only December. A month ago we were in the top 4. Where do you think we will finish ? Come back in May, or even May 2013 and make the same point, if you can. Unfortunately, there is half the season to go.

Top 8

 

Hope to secure Collo, would like to keep Tiote but if Chelsea/Man U come knocking he's off, fact of life. Gotta get massive money for him and replace him. We need to deal at this level to progress to the next level, maybe 2 years maybe more but the truth is nobody knows.

 

Who predicted ten years ago the stupid money ruining the game today?

 

money has always "ruined" the game.

 

When are we going to buy a partner for Ba to replace Carroll, as you talk about "replacing" Tiote ?

 

You really just don't get this do you ?

Money has always been a factor now its THE factor. You have players jumping ship to less prestigious clubs for the almighty buck

 

I do get it, I'm dealing with it. On the other hand you are not

 

It has ALWAYS been THE factor.

 

Look through history. The successful clubs have ALWAYS bought the top quality and best players, and they have paid the going rate and scouted them, and KEPT them as much as possible, but above all else BACKED THEIR MANAGERS.

Edited December 21, 2011 by LeazesMag

[Dr Gloom 22182]

I wouldnt be at all surprised if that money is never reinvested. Fair enough, a fit ba is a good replacement for Carroll but that isn't a good enough excuse not to pump a good chunk of that 35m back into other areas of the squad where we're weak. Besides, we needed an extra striker even before we sold Carroll.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

If we get any more injuries now in certain places, we are talking reserve team players... nice depth.

[ewerk 31221]

 

Leazes, if we get into European competition by the virtue of League or Cup success, would you consider that progress?

 

Please answer this question succinctly, please don't answer this question with a question as that is not an answer.

 

I hope we can win a trophy [even the League Cup, and I am inside the stadium at the time] before I can't go to games anymore or even worse kick the bucket, but I see progress as a longer term thing than a short blip lasting a year or two. Which is what I think the current run is, which is down to a good manager doing a good job with his hands tied. Under the McKeags, Seymours etc we had the same. Gordon Lee and Arthur Cox did a good job under the same restrictions, and of course Joe Harvey who in the end just couldn't go any more. Anything that happens is short term, and won't last. So I see progress in terms of the setup of the club, and the ability to sustain and build.

 

Sorry if that is not "succinctly" but that's how I see it. The club is in decline, simply because it isn't aiming for the heights befitting it anymore, that we had came to expect, and if it doesn't aim for them it won't reach them, which is why I use the term "decline".

 

You say that two years is a blip. But when was the last time we spent more than three years in the top 5? Or even the top half of the table?

[LeazesMag 0]

I wouldnt be at all surprised if that money is never reinvested. Fair enough, a fit ba is a good replacement for Carroll but that isn't a good enough excuse not to pump a good chunk of that 35m back into other areas of the squad where we're weak. Besides, we needed an extra striker even before we sold Carroll.

 

you are still moaning on about having a board/owner with ambition then ?

[LeazesMag 0]

 

Leazes, if we get into European competition by the virtue of League or Cup success, would you consider that progress?

 

Please answer this question succinctly, please don't answer this question with a question as that is not an answer.

 

I hope we can win a trophy [even the League Cup, and I am inside the stadium at the time] before I can't go to games anymore or even worse kick the bucket, but I see progress as a longer term thing than a short blip lasting a year or two. Which is what I think the current run is, which is down to a good manager doing a good job with his hands tied. Under the McKeags, Seymours etc we had the same. Gordon Lee and Arthur Cox did a good job under the same restrictions, and of course Joe Harvey who in the end just couldn't go any more. Anything that happens is short term, and won't last. So I see progress in terms of the setup of the club, and the ability to sustain and build.

 

Sorry if that is not "succinctly" but that's how I see it. The club is in decline, simply because it isn't aiming for the heights befitting it anymore, that we had came to expect, and if it doesn't aim for them it won't reach them, which is why I use the term "decline".

 

You say that two years is a blip. But when was the last time we spent more than three years in the top 5? Or even the top half of the table?

 

how many years did we spend in the top 5 for 30 years before 1992 ? How many years do you think we will finish in the top 5 under Mike Ashley? You get dafter all the time chum. Look up the history and see for yourself. I really am getting fed up of telling people like you, who know nowt about the club, how wrong you are and how you are unable to see the bigger picture and the direction the club is taking.

[Howay 12496]

A striker and a Centre Back are a must in this window, could do with a full back and a winger (to replace Obertan seeing as Ben Arfa wont be playing there).

If the forward and CB aren't signed it's just yet another confirmation of what we already expect MA to be.

[LeazesMag 0]

A striker and a Centre Back are a must in this window, could do with a full back and a winger (to replace Obertan seeing as Ben Arfa wont be playing there).

If the forward and CB aren't signed it's just yet another confirmation of what we already expect MA to be.

 

we are missing Steven Taylor. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't rate him.