Ben Arfa 10 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 To return to the game, which I did not like is how Jonas is placed on the ground, I have more insight as a second back left aillier that and try to bring the surplus In its risk-taking, he has blatantly planted over the ball in one against one is a technical and tactical weakness, courage in maintaining its commitment y'en there is no one like him but he must see the truth in front is not a top player In mitigation of Pardew the PL does take a fair bit of adapting to as it's much more physical and high tempo than any other league in Europe. It even makes the Bundesliga look pedestrian. The Bundesliga is the full attack, the scores are pretty impressive even if it means losing 5 3, for them it is not a problem In any case the Germans favored the attack, I agree that we must have a cohesion in the scheme but not be timid in the game and that Pardew for me is disappointed in his scheme of play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) dear ben arfa 10, don't disagree with the lot, and don't blame or criticize Pardew for anything...according to these people he's a tactical genious, a hero, an angel in darkness...they will always attack you and say you are criticizing him after just ONE bad match. ben arfa is shite. people from the youth system is shite. sometimes I say other things than the lot in here, that's why I'm a moron, dumbass, a wum, a troll, a lier, and a obvious fake profile... oh, yeah, if you are not from geordieland you're not a real supporter...so please don't come here so often Nice welcome, I just calmly to discuss football and you judge me without knowing me, it's sad. lol, I was not judging you, I was judging some other people on this forum you did it badly considering i'm an admin, not from geordieland and live in ireland. What you did was generalise and make yourself look stupid....again, find me a post where someone has called Pardew a tactical genius if Pardew was not a tactical genius how can he be a true managerial hero He's made mistakes this season but overall he's managed and composed a very good first half of the season from a very limited squad. That's no understatement. The real truth is that there aren't enough good players upfront to mind meld with Hatem's frequency and that Pardew has been protecting the full backs with wingers who it's clear have many defensive instructions as well. There perhaps was a change we could have gone 433 but that was before we lost Marveux for the season. Also if you want to keep Guti in the side then a flexible and fast breaking 451 is perhaps the best of all compromises, with two troublemakers with license to cause mayhem behind Ba. Even then they would have to drop off without the ball and Hatem would have to bear this in mind. In the best of all worlds and with the proper backing of a mercurial owner Shola, Best and Obertan wouldn't be starting games, but right now our options are limited. Edited December 18, 2011 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Arfa 10 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Of course they were largely prenable Swensea with a little more creativity and intelligence in the approach to the game, the victory was the appointment Unfortunately two points went on the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Arfa 10 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 dear ben arfa 10, don't disagree with the lot, and don't blame or criticize Pardew for anything...according to these people he's a tactical genious, a hero, an angel in darkness...they will always attack you and say you are criticizing him after just ONE bad match. ben arfa is shite. people from the youth system is shite. sometimes I say other things than the lot in here, that's why I'm a moron, dumbass, a wum, a troll, a lier, and a obvious fake profile... oh, yeah, if you are not from geordieland you're not a real supporter...so please don't come here so often Nice welcome, I just calmly to discuss football and you judge me without knowing me, it's sad. lol, I was not judging you, I was judging some other people on this forum you did it badly considering i'm an admin, not from geordieland and live in ireland. What you did was generalise and make yourself look stupid....again, find me a post where someone has called Pardew a tactical genius if Pardew was not a tactical genius how can he be a true managerial hero He's made mistakes this season but overall he's managed and composed a very good first half of the season from a very limited squad. That's no understatement. The real truth is that there aren't enough good players upfront to mind meld with Hatem's frequency and that Pardew has been protecting the full backs with wingers who it's clear have many defensive instructions as well. There perhaps was a change we could have gone 433 but that was before we lost Marveux for the season. Also if you want to keep Guti in the side then a flexible and fast breaking 451 is perhaps the best of all compromises, with two troublemakers with license to cause mayhem behind Ba. Even then they would have to drop off without the ball and Hatem would have to bear this in mind. I also think Pardew tries to strike a maximum HBA, but for me it is in this kind of game that could make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) doesn't hide the fact that we have been playing shite in most matches, regardless of results this is actually the first match I felt a bit magic was going on. too bad pardew didn't like to freshen up with some new subs a wee bit earlier, I guess he didn't want to risk us winning the match Edited December 18, 2011 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 To return to the game, which I did not like is how Jonas is placed on the ground, I have more insight as a second back left aillier that and try to bring the surplus In its risk-taking, he has blatantly planted over the ball in one against one is a technical and tactical weakness, courage in maintaining its commitment y'en there is no one like him but he must see the truth in front is not a top player In mitigation of Pardew the PL does take a fair bit of adapting to as it's much more physical and high tempo than any other league in Europe. It even makes the Bundesliga look pedestrian. The Bundesliga is the full attack, the scores are pretty impressive even if it means losing 5 3, for them it is not a problem In any case the Germans favored the attack, I agree that we must have a cohesion in the scheme but not be timid in the game and that Pardew for me is disappointed in his scheme of play Listen ringo I'm HBA's biggest supporter on this forum so no need to worry on that score. What I'm showing you is that the PL is more of a dangerous and complex animal with a lot of power and pace. Small sides without enough quality in depth get turned over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 dear ben arfa 10, don't disagree with the lot, and don't blame or criticize Pardew for anything...according to these people he's a tactical genious, a hero, an angel in darkness...they will always attack you and say you are criticizing him after just ONE bad match. ben arfa is shite. people from the youth system is shite. sometimes I say other things than the lot in here, that's why I'm a moron, dumbass, a wum, a troll, a lier, and a obvious fake profile... oh, yeah, if you are not from geordieland you're not a real supporter...so please don't come here so often Nice welcome, I just calmly to discuss football and you judge me without knowing me, it's sad. lol, I was not judging you, I was judging some other people on this forum you did it badly considering i'm an admin, not from geordieland and live in ireland. What you did was generalise and make yourself look stupid....again, find me a post where someone has called Pardew a tactical genius if Pardew was not a tactical genius how can he be a true managerial hero He's made mistakes this season but overall he's managed and composed a very good first half of the season from a very limited squad. That's no understatement. The real truth is that there aren't enough good players upfront to mind meld with Hatem's frequency and that Pardew has been protecting the full backs with wingers who it's clear have many defensive instructions as well. There perhaps was a change we could have gone 433 but that was before we lost Marveux for the season. Also if you want to keep Guti in the side then a flexible and fast breaking 451 is perhaps the best of all compromises, with two troublemakers with license to cause mayhem behind Ba. Even then they would have to drop off without the ball and Hatem would have to bear this in mind. I also think Pardew tries to strike a maximum HBA, but for me it is in this kind of game that could make a difference. He should HAVE STARTED against Swansea fullstop. There are some players who need pampering a bit for managers this is often a tougher call and requires a lot of patience and nous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 doesn't hide the fact that we have been playing shite in most matches No we haven't. Don't make stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I'm afraid Pardew would have played Balotelli in the reserves the rest of his career... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 doesn't hide the fact that we have been playing shite in most matches No we haven't. Don't make stuff up. I think Salty agreed with me on that one in the past... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Arfa 10 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 dear ben arfa 10, don't disagree with the lot, and don't blame or criticize Pardew for anything...according to these people he's a tactical genious, a hero, an angel in darkness...they will always attack you and say you are criticizing him after just ONE bad match. ben arfa is shite. people from the youth system is shite. sometimes I say other things than the lot in here, that's why I'm a moron, dumbass, a wum, a troll, a lier, and a obvious fake profile... oh, yeah, if you are not from geordieland you're not a real supporter...so please don't come here so often Nice welcome, I just calmly to discuss football and you judge me without knowing me, it's sad. lol, I was not judging you, I was judging some other people on this forum you did it badly considering i'm an admin, not from geordieland and live in ireland. What you did was generalise and make yourself look stupid....again, find me a post where someone has called Pardew a tactical genius if Pardew was not a tactical genius how can he be a true managerial hero He's made mistakes this season but overall he's managed and composed a very good first half of the season from a very limited squad. That's no understatement. The real truth is that there aren't enough good players upfront to mind meld with Hatem's frequency and that Pardew has been protecting the full backs with wingers who it's clear have many defensive instructions as well. There perhaps was a change we could have gone 433 but that was before we lost Marveux for the season. Also if you want to keep Guti in the side then a flexible and fast breaking 451 is perhaps the best of all compromises, with two troublemakers with license to cause mayhem behind Ba. Even then they would have to drop off without the ball and Hatem would have to bear this in mind. I also think Pardew tries to strike a maximum HBA, but for me it is in this kind of game that could make a difference. He should HAVE STARTED against Swansea fullstop. There are some players who need pampering a bit for managers this is often a tougher call and requires a lot of patience and nous. As Obertan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I think maybe Pardew has chosen to nurture Obertan because within Obertan he finds someone like himself. I mean the low IQ, the missing mental presence in the game, the forrest gumpesque pattern of doing some decent mainly based on luck or accident and maybe a bit of pace... there must definitely be some parallels here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14069 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Played badly in most games Fuck me, man. That must be why we're sitting in 7th. We've played badly once IMO and that was at QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Arfa 10 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) - 58% of the goals Newcastle have conceded have come from set pieces, a Premier League 0 - the number of shots on target by Gabriel Obertan in 1152 mins of play in the Premier League this season Edited December 18, 2011 by Ben Arfa 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) Pardew has to take the blame for our result yesterday, Swansea were there for the taking. The fact Ben Arfa never got any minutes on the pitch was a disgrace - the gap between midfield and attack was far too much, and we needed somebody to provide that link, especially as Best was non existent. It's going to be tough for us when Ba goes off to the African Nations Cup, as he really is top class. Can't believe that we got him for a free, as he's superior to Carroll in pretty much all aspects of his game. On the plus side, Santon looked really good yesterday. He wasn't really tested defensively, but that's to be expected as he was up against Routledge, but some of his forward play was really promising. Edited December 18, 2011 by Jonny2J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Played badly in most games Fuck me, man. That must be why we're sitting in 7th. We've played badly once IMO and that was at QPR. oh so we have played bad once this year, huh?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Arfa 10 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Pardew has to take the blame for our result yesterday, Swansea were there for the taking. The fact Ben Arfa never got any minutes on the pitch was a disgrace - the gap between midfield and attack was far too much, and we needed somebody to provide that link, especially as Best was non existent. It's going to be tough for us when Ba goes off to the African Nations Cup, as he really is top class. Can't believe that we got him for a free, as he's superior to Carroll in pretty much all aspects of his game. On the plus side, Santon looked really good yesterday. He wasn't really tested defensively, but that's to be expected as he was up against Routledge, but some of his forward play was really promising. You have summarized what I think the game yesterday the cell recruitment has no interest in planting the replacement of Ba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4872 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 why are so many people saying things like 2J has posted there ^ ? We held possession well, had 22 attempts on goal to swanseas 3, 9 corners to their 1 obviously the problem wasnt in chance creation (which is what we want to see HBA doing) but in just getting the goal, yet everyone says Ba played well (which he did bar scoring) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Arfa 10 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 why are so many people saying things like 2J has posted there ^ ? We held possession well, had 22 attempts on goal to swanseas 3, 9 corners to their 1 obviously the problem wasnt in chance creation (which is what we want to see HBA doing) but in just getting the goal, yet everyone says Ba played well (which he did bar scoring) Of course that Ba has been the best team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 why are so many people saying things like 2J has posted there ^ ? We held possession well, had 22 attempts on goal to swanseas 3, 9 corners to their 1 obviously the problem wasnt in chance creation (which is what we want to see HBA doing) but in just getting the goal, yet everyone says Ba played well (which he did bar scoring) We created some chances in the first half, although I wouldn't say many of them are what you could call 'clear cut' chances. For example, when we got beat off Blackpool at home last season, we created a lot of 'clear cut' chances and their keeper made some really good saves. I really don't remember that yesterday, and Ba made some of his chances out of nothing. After about 55 minutes, we went a bit flat and it was obvious that we needed a change in both personnel and style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4872 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 why are so many people saying things like 2J has posted there ^ ? We held possession well, had 22 attempts on goal to swanseas 3, 9 corners to their 1 obviously the problem wasnt in chance creation (which is what we want to see HBA doing) but in just getting the goal, yet everyone says Ba played well (which he did bar scoring) Of course that Ba has been the best team of course he has, but he didn't score... admittedly playing devils advocate here a little by complaining about him, he obviously played really well and has been doing for months, but our problem wasn't in midfield yesterday was it? chances were made for us and kept to a minimum for them yet there were no goals despite many opportunities falling to demba so what needed changing that Ben Arfa would have changed? we didnt need more chances making, we needed the many we did make scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) After about 55 minutes, we went a bit flat and it was obvious that we needed a change in both personnel and style. Maybe Pardew didn't want to risk tampering with a team that had served us well in the first half. End of the day I just hope he's learned from possible mistakes made yesterday. Edited December 18, 2011 by Monroe Transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Arfa 10 0 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Winger Gabriel Obertan was singled out for criticism from home supporters and Pardew said: 'That's a bit harsh. Because he is so quick you always want him bursting down the outside. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2075794/Jonas-Gutierrez-eyes-Newcastle-win-West-Brom.html Pardew has to ask the right questions about the performance against Obertan, defend it well, but being blind on his way to play something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I don't even know if it served us that well, as three of our four supposed main attacking outlets in Best, Jonas and Obertan were all poor IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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