Gemmill 46024 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Time for a thread title change. Hatem Ben Half-interested-at-best pours fuel on his critics' fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 Time for a thread title change. Hatem Ben Half-interested-at-best pours fuel on his critics' fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) Â Sums up his career here to be honest. Â Â If the manager genuinely believes the team is more balanced without Ben Arfa in it then fair enough. I have little doubt though that we'll need him to get us out of some sticky situations again before too long. He doesn't want to drop Tiote so shoehorns Siss into the side (another worker bee). Â The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.Friedrich Nietzsche Edited November 9, 2013 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 (edited) CT, are you forgetting the months that Sissoko played off Cisse in an attacking role and did bot all? Edited November 9, 2013 by TheRollingStones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4821 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 CT, are you forgetting the months that Sissoko played off Cisse in an attacking role and did bot all? Not at all, up until the last two weeks he's been dreadful, but like Debuchy he's improved in the last two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Utter rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4821 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 If you want to point out any comment I've made regarding any of the players mentioned that you feel to be disproportionate in it's praise feel free. In addition point out where I've used the defence ''they just can't see it''  If not, shut up.   You do it all the time man and talk down to people.  Although Santons been on the whole poor you come out with pearlers like .....   Some people know a good player when they see one. Some don't  and   If you can't appreciate how revered Santon is in Italy & across European football I can only imagine it stems from you ''only watching Newcastle'' or having a poorly developed knowledge of the game.   Maybe just wind it in a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Santon hasn't been ''poor on the whole'' at all. You're talking utter shite - &I ''don't put people down regularly either''  No way whatsoever is that a 'pearler' you'll have to try harder & if you think it is take a good look at yourself. Especially when it's in the context of Jose Mourinho appreciating a young lad who's an Italian international. I'm siding with Jose  I'm generally fair with players - again find anything that's disproportionate or untrue regards the players mentioned  You preferred Danny Simpson to Mathieu Debuchy & that's before we get on to wastes of protoplasm like Ferguson, Lua Lua & Marveaux etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4821 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Santon hasn't been ''poor on the whole'' at all. You're talking utter shite - &I ''don't put people down regularly either'' Listen Tom, you do. Â You went on exactly the same ("like a Doyle") when Parky dared to question Santons defensive abilities a few weeks back. Â Comments like "most people don't watch games properly", clearly illustrates your perceived higher football intellect than most of your peers. Â As I've said many times, some of us just like to watch a game and call it how we see it, a spades a spade and all that. Â Santon can be exciting at times going forward and can be poor defensively regardless of what Jose thinks. Â Anyway enough of this petty squabbling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 As long as we've got footballing aesthetes like yourself on the board I'm sure we'll all ''see sense''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3964 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Getting involved with CT in an argument about football is akin to getting into an argument with Wolfy about space exploration. Tedious, without merit and utterly pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7485 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Comments like "most people don't watch games properly", clearly illustrates your perceived higher football intellect than most of your peers. Â No it doesn't. Â Watching in a pub with mates and a few drinks really isn't conducive to proper analysis. At the ground you also get a different perspective which allows a wider appreciation of players work rate, movement and positioning off the ball, but doesn't give you the closer lounge room TV view (poor streams don't count on this front) where you can better appreciate skill, technique and the like. Having watched plenty of games of football in each circumstance I can say with complete confidence that I can in general better appraise a players performance if I'm watching a game with no distractions. The fact that games are on for me late at night/early in the morning means that generally the only distraction I have is posting my comments on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 < Obertan  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 transfer request tied to a brick aimed at Pardew's head on the team bus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 He'll get minutes in the next two matches. Against lesser sides. Do well and he'll stay in the squad. Not the first time Pardew has had him on regular bench duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6783 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 You cant really argue with dropping him when we've just beaten Chelsea at home and Spurs away without conceding a goal. Â He'll no doubt play a part in the next couple of games. This formation has seemed to work against teams that will press us but the next two wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Was thinking that during the game MT...WC at the end of the season too..get yer arse in gear Hatem son, life's passing you by... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Â He's playing a system over playing his star players - which is brave management & I'm supportive of it. Â He's tried to fit him in & most of his poor performances have been out of position, 2 as a false 9 & one on the left wing. He'll probably get a run out in the second half because I imagine Spurs are going to be hard to break down. If we'd been losing in the second half, I think we'd have seen him. No real reason to bring him on when ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5295 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 He's much more likely to be productive against Norwich and WBA as well. Less quality in defence - against teams like Spurs where we can't expect possession, he's just a passenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 He's much more likely to be productive against Norwich and WBA as well. Less quality in defence - against teams like Spurs where we can't expect possession, he's just a passenger. Â Really? We needed someone to hang onto the ball desperately in the second half. He's one of the few we've got who can. Krul kept us in it today, wont happen every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I find that view naive. Spurs would have had better chances with less cover down their right, probably wouldn't have hung on with less shape and less consistently tracking their runners. It was also shape and intensity that kept them at bay, not just Krul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 You could look at it either way, we were failing at retaining the ball or at making two proper passes in a row in the second half. A decent spell of possession up front might have meant less work at the back. Its all hypothetical though. Im not saying Ben Arfa should have been brought on today, I wouldnt have if I was the manager. But in general Ive always been of the view in situations like these you need someone good on the ball who can release the pressure off the back. Its great when you're able to defend a 1 goal lead but with the quality of attack in the league these days those days will be far and few in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013  He's playing a system over playing his star players - which is brave management & I'm supportive of it.  He's tried to fit him in & most of his poor performances have been out of position, 2 as a false 9 & one on the left wing. He'll probably get a run out in the second half because I imagine Spurs are going to be hard to break down.  At what point does AVB realize the futility of inverted wingers?  the worst double pivot pivot combo Spurs have  http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/10/tottenham-hotspur-newcastle-united-premier-league#start-of-comments   leading to...  http://www.theguardian.com/football/quiz/2013/oct/29/are-you-a-football-hipster  They're everywhere!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Basically Gouffran does a hell of a lot of tracking back to help out Santon. Ben Arfa has improved in that department but against Chelsea/Spurs we can't afford to have 2 players running at our full backs unchallenged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6783 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Gouffran did and excellent defensive job today. He is just a younger model of Jonas. Average yet very handy to have in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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