Norwich (away)

[aimaad22 4095]

The finishing from Ba yesterday was world class, what in the world are we going to do when he goes off in January?

[ToonMarshy 2]

The finishing from Ba yesterday was world class, what in the world are we going to do when he goes off in January?

 

Recall Ranger from loan citing that his attitude has improved

[Happy Face 29]

you've been banging on about 3 players in one position all week. It's not. It's 2 positions.

 

Colo out Perch in. That's the quality we have next in line, good enough?

 

Taylor out, Williamson in. Good enough? With Williamson injured also, we have 1 position stretched to fill with a reserve or a utility player. Happens to teams up and down the league all season. We've not been having any particularly bad luck with injuries at all.

 

Again too simplistic, making the situation fit your argument. You have your two first choice CB's and your first reserve who would fill in for either in the case of injury, then if your unlucky enough to lose all 3 you are into 4th and 5th choice, they are NOT going to be as good as your 1-3. Simple common sense would see that. PLUS how do you balance your squad. Yeah let's have 5 good CB's, then what happens if your midfield gets wiped out, you play a CB in midfield and the cry goes up "our squad is paper thin" we should have more midfielders.

 

It's nonsense.

 

As for the "not particularly bad luck with injuries" haven't looked at the stats anywhere but if you are right, I would suggest even if we have not had a significant number of injuries in the squad (compared to others) we have had an very unusual concentration of injuries in a particularly key area of the squad.

 

If you don't see that, and I am completely wrong, what's the answer then ??

 

you are completely wrong and the answer is more strength in depth. It's not a case of having internationals on the bench, but Taylor should be the back up for an international in our team. You can't go on like this is unprecedented bad luck in one position when many have feared exactly this and warned about it. One in 3 of Stevies posts since the season began have been about Perch being league 1 quality and that inevitably fucking us up.

 

So now you're saying Taylor and Colo aren't good enough, the same Taylor and Colo who proved one of the best Cb partnerships we've had in yonks should be broken up to for some pursuit of "strength in depth". Hilarious.

 

The concern previosuly expressed was if Colo get's injured we're fucked, not if Colo, Taylor and Willaimson are fucked.

 

Perch did not cost us the game yesterday.

 

Never said a word about Colo. Our best player.

 

ALWAYS said Taylor ain't good enough. There's no 'now' about it.

 

The fear has always been Perch getting a game. Under any circumstances....or Williamson tbh...though less so.

[The Fish 10674]

Fucking Hell, If this place collapses like this after every disappointing result you lot are going to need 24hr suicide watch aren't you?

 

Yes we need a CB or two, yes we need a Left back and a winger. I reckon we will get a centre half, and we won't get much of anything else, we'll still finish top half of the table and we won't lose anyone that's integral (Krul, Coloccini,Tiote, Ba, The Ameobis).

 

Obviously if we were in charge and could impose our wishes we'd jog off and buy players like Samba, Pieters and Jarvis (or whomever). But the owner we've got, with the measured ambition he's displaying (I think he wants top half finish and isn't bothered by owt else) and the financial situation we're in (as is the majority of the league), We'll see the good work undertaken in the 1st half tempered by a far more grey M.O.R. 2nd half of the season.

 

Don't get why you're all imploding.

[Happy Face 29]

Fucking Hell, If this place collapses like this after every disappointing result you lot are going to need 24hr suicide watch aren't you?

 

Yes we need a CB or two, yes we need a Left back and a winger. I reckon we will get a centre half, and we won't get much of anything else, we'll still finish top half of the table and we won't lose anyone that's integral (Krul, Coloccini,Tiote, Ba, The Ameobis).

 

Obviously if we were in charge and could impose our wishes we'd jog off and buy players like Samba, Pieters and Jarvis (or whomever). But the owner we've got, with the measured ambition he's displaying (I think he wants top half finish and isn't bothered by owt else) and the financial situation we're in (as is the majority of the league), We'll see the good work undertaken in the 1st half tempered by a far more grey M.O.R. 2nd half of the season.

 

Don't get why you're all imploding.

 

Obertan ffs!!!!

[Aeris 0]

Tim Krul was rated 3 by Skysports, Ameobi 8...

[Guest alex]

Have a word man! So we should have bought two new 4th and 5th choice CB's

 

How many teams have "quality" 4th and 5th choice anything. At that level into a squad you are into the kids (in a non sexual way) unless a more senior pro, out of position (in the managers opinion) is a better option.

 

Should have bought a 2nd/3rd choice CB tbh. Williamson moved down to fourth choice. With Steven Taylor it's a given that he'll be out for a large part of the season with injury.

Aye, exactly what I was getting at tbh. I suspect TP knew this, hence the need to put words into me mouth.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13762]

Shola was one of our best players on Saturday. FACTAMUNDO

[Guest alex]

Shola was one of our best players on Saturday. FACTAMUNDO

Tallest dwarf in the circus tbh

[Ayatollah Hermione 13762]

Shola was one of our best players on Saturday. FACTAMUNDO

Tallest dwarf in the circus tbh

 

maybe so but was mint seeing him gan mental at the ref. Surprised he didn't bicycle kick him out of East Anglia

[The Fish 10674]

Tim Krul was rated 3 by Skysports, Ameobi 8...

 

Oh well, if Sky Sports says so...

 

fwiw, Sky Sports rates Parker 6 after his worst performance in ages.

Edited December 12, 2011 by The Fish

[Howay 12496]

fwiw, Sky Sports rates Parker 6 after his worst performance in ages.

Aye his world class running in circles routine gives him an automatic 6 no matter how useless his performance is, it also give him a player of the year award in a relegated team the man can do no wrong.

[ChezGiven 0]

Just read that our CBs only won 4 headers between them on saturday, tellingly none of them inside the box.

[Toonpack 9121]

Have a word man! So we should have bought two new 4th and 5th choice CB's

 

How many teams have "quality" 4th and 5th choice anything. At that level into a squad you are into the kids (in a non sexual way) unless a more senior pro, out of position (in the managers opinion) is a better option.

 

Should have bought a 2nd/3rd choice CB tbh. Williamson moved down to fourth choice. With Steven Taylor it's a given that he'll be out for a large part of the season with injury.

Aye, exactly what I was getting at tbh. I suspect TP knew this, hence the need to put words into me mouth.

 

Just interpreted what you said without looking for any clandestine hidden meaning. I take it as I read it, don't try and anticpate any changes of tack, or re-emphasis in someones posts tbh I aint psychic.

 

As for OTF's "revelation", don't recall any clamour to relegate Williamson until these injuries tbh. Hindsight is a marvelous thing.

 

Who's to say that, when fit, Williamson won't experience a similar "upsurge" in form like Taylor has had, which I put down to defensive coaching/drilling that's been engaged in.

 

Fact remains you can't legislate for your three top CB's being fucked all at the same time.

[Toonpack 9121]

you've been banging on about 3 players in one position all week. It's not. It's 2 positions.

 

Colo out Perch in. That's the quality we have next in line, good enough?

 

Taylor out, Williamson in. Good enough? With Williamson injured also, we have 1 position stretched to fill with a reserve or a utility player. Happens to teams up and down the league all season. We've not been having any particularly bad luck with injuries at all.

 

Again too simplistic, making the situation fit your argument. You have your two first choice CB's and your first reserve who would fill in for either in the case of injury, then if your unlucky enough to lose all 3 you are into 4th and 5th choice, they are NOT going to be as good as your 1-3. Simple common sense would see that. PLUS how do you balance your squad. Yeah let's have 5 good CB's, then what happens if your midfield gets wiped out, you play a CB in midfield and the cry goes up "our squad is paper thin" we should have more midfielders.

 

It's nonsense.

 

As for the "not particularly bad luck with injuries" haven't looked at the stats anywhere but if you are right, I would suggest even if we have not had a significant number of injuries in the squad (compared to others) we have had an very unusual concentration of injuries in a particularly key area of the squad.

 

If you don't see that, and I am completely wrong, what's the answer then ??

 

you are completely wrong and the answer is more strength in depth. It's not a case of having internationals on the bench, but Taylor should be the back up for an international in our team. You can't go on like this is unprecedented bad luck in one position when many have feared exactly this and warned about it. One in 3 of Stevies posts since the season began have been about Perch being league 1 quality and that inevitably fucking us up.

 

So now you're saying Taylor and Colo aren't good enough, the same Taylor and Colo who proved one of the best Cb partnerships we've had in yonks should be broken up to for some pursuit of "strength in depth". Hilarious.

 

The concern previosuly expressed was if Colo get's injured we're fucked, not if Colo, Taylor and Willaimson are fucked.

 

Perch did not cost us the game yesterday.

 

Never said a word about Colo. Our best player.

 

ALWAYS said Taylor ain't good enough. There's no 'now' about it.

 

The fear has always been Perch getting a game. Under any circumstances....or Williamson tbh...though less so.

 

Based upon this seasons performances you've been proven wrong then.

 

The notion that Taylor would be happy being relegated to the bench (due to buying someone else) is crazy. He was all but off to Everton, couple of summers ago, he'd be offski even more so now given his form up until the injury.

 

Bottom line for me is IF we buy a CB it will likely be a young-ish up and coming type who will fight it out with Williamson to partner Colo, It won't be a direct Taylor replacement/equivalent, (although it'd be good if he turned out as viable competition) because Taylor'll be back and it'd also be good to add a kid or two as it would appear we don't have any kid at CB worth shit.

[Happy Face 29]

you've been banging on about 3 players in one position all week. It's not. It's 2 positions.

 

Colo out Perch in. That's the quality we have next in line, good enough?

 

Taylor out, Williamson in. Good enough? With Williamson injured also, we have 1 position stretched to fill with a reserve or a utility player. Happens to teams up and down the league all season. We've not been having any particularly bad luck with injuries at all.

 

Again too simplistic, making the situation fit your argument. You have your two first choice CB's and your first reserve who would fill in for either in the case of injury, then if your unlucky enough to lose all 3 you are into 4th and 5th choice, they are NOT going to be as good as your 1-3. Simple common sense would see that. PLUS how do you balance your squad. Yeah let's have 5 good CB's, then what happens if your midfield gets wiped out, you play a CB in midfield and the cry goes up "our squad is paper thin" we should have more midfielders.

 

It's nonsense.

 

As for the "not particularly bad luck with injuries" haven't looked at the stats anywhere but if you are right, I would suggest even if we have not had a significant number of injuries in the squad (compared to others) we have had an very unusual concentration of injuries in a particularly key area of the squad.

 

If you don't see that, and I am completely wrong, what's the answer then ??

 

you are completely wrong and the answer is more strength in depth. It's not a case of having internationals on the bench, but Taylor should be the back up for an international in our team. You can't go on like this is unprecedented bad luck in one position when many have feared exactly this and warned about it. One in 3 of Stevies posts since the season began have been about Perch being league 1 quality and that inevitably fucking us up.

 

So now you're saying Taylor and Colo aren't good enough, the same Taylor and Colo who proved one of the best Cb partnerships we've had in yonks should be broken up to for some pursuit of "strength in depth". Hilarious.

 

The concern previosuly expressed was if Colo get's injured we're fucked, not if Colo, Taylor and Willaimson are fucked.

 

Perch did not cost us the game yesterday.

 

Never said a word about Colo. Our best player.

 

ALWAYS said Taylor ain't good enough. There's no 'now' about it.

 

The fear has always been Perch getting a game. Under any circumstances....or Williamson tbh...though less so.

 

Based upon this seasons performances you've been proven wrong then.

 

The notion that Taylor would be happy being relegated to the bench (due to buying someone else) is crazy. He was all but off to Everton, couple of summers ago, he'd be offski even more so now given his form up until the injury.

 

Bottom line for me is IF we buy a CB it will likely be a young-ish up and coming type who will fight it out with Williamson to partner Colo, It won't be a direct Taylor replacement/equivalent, (although it'd be good if he turned out as viable competition) because Taylor'll be back and it'd also be good to add a kid or two as it would appear we don't have any kid at CB worth shit.

 

No I haven't. He's personally looked no better. He's not improved anything about his game, he just had better protection from the players in front of him this year.

 

he'd like to have had other teams interested.....but they weren't, not even Everton. But you think those not good enough for Everton should be our first choice?

[Monroe Transfer 0]

I think that's very harsh but you go to more games than I do...

[Toonpack 9121]

you've been banging on about 3 players in one position all week. It's not. It's 2 positions.

 

Colo out Perch in. That's the quality we have next in line, good enough?

 

Taylor out, Williamson in. Good enough? With Williamson injured also, we have 1 position stretched to fill with a reserve or a utility player. Happens to teams up and down the league all season. We've not been having any particularly bad luck with injuries at all.

 

Again too simplistic, making the situation fit your argument. You have your two first choice CB's and your first reserve who would fill in for either in the case of injury, then if your unlucky enough to lose all 3 you are into 4th and 5th choice, they are NOT going to be as good as your 1-3. Simple common sense would see that. PLUS how do you balance your squad. Yeah let's have 5 good CB's, then what happens if your midfield gets wiped out, you play a CB in midfield and the cry goes up "our squad is paper thin" we should have more midfielders.

 

It's nonsense.

 

As for the "not particularly bad luck with injuries" haven't looked at the stats anywhere but if you are right, I would suggest even if we have not had a significant number of injuries in the squad (compared to others) we have had an very unusual concentration of injuries in a particularly key area of the squad.

 

If you don't see that, and I am completely wrong, what's the answer then ??

 

you are completely wrong and the answer is more strength in depth. It's not a case of having internationals on the bench, but Taylor should be the back up for an international in our team. You can't go on like this is unprecedented bad luck in one position when many have feared exactly this and warned about it. One in 3 of Stevies posts since the season began have been about Perch being league 1 quality and that inevitably fucking us up.

 

So now you're saying Taylor and Colo aren't good enough, the same Taylor and Colo who proved one of the best Cb partnerships we've had in yonks should be broken up to for some pursuit of "strength in depth". Hilarious.

 

The concern previosuly expressed was if Colo get's injured we're fucked, not if Colo, Taylor and Willaimson are fucked.

 

Perch did not cost us the game yesterday.

 

Never said a word about Colo. Our best player.

 

ALWAYS said Taylor ain't good enough. There's no 'now' about it.

 

The fear has always been Perch getting a game. Under any circumstances....or Williamson tbh...though less so.

 

Based upon this seasons performances you've been proven wrong then.

 

The notion that Taylor would be happy being relegated to the bench (due to buying someone else) is crazy. He was all but off to Everton, couple of summers ago, he'd be offski even more so now given his form up until the injury.

 

Bottom line for me is IF we buy a CB it will likely be a young-ish up and coming type who will fight it out with Williamson to partner Colo, It won't be a direct Taylor replacement/equivalent, (although it'd be good if he turned out as viable competition) because Taylor'll be back and it'd also be good to add a kid or two as it would appear we don't have any kid at CB worth shit.

 

No I haven't. He's personally looked no better. He's not improved anything about his game, he just had better protection from the players in front of him this year.

 

he'd like to have had other teams interested.....but they weren't, not even Everton. But you think those not good enough for Everton should be our first choice?

 

They were like, all but a done deal.

 

I don't give a fuck about any airy fairy good enough/not good enough for club xyz hypothesis. I only give a shit about "Our back four" and how it's performing. A back four is often better than the sum of it's parts. Taylor has been excellent in our back four, his, and the units performances have been of a very high standard, even played above himself perhaps, and to say otherwise is crazy.

[OTF 7238]

Just read that our CBs only won 4 headers between them on saturday, tellingly none of them inside the box.

 

We didn't play any CBs.

[OTF 7238]

As for OTF's "revelation", don't recall any clamour to relegate Williamson until these injuries tbh. Hindsight is a marvelous thing.

 

Who's to say that, when fit, Williamson won't experience a similar "upsurge" in form like Taylor has had, which I put down to defensive coaching/drilling that's been engaged in.

 

Fact remains you can't legislate for your three top CB's being fucked all at the same time.

 

Who here rates Williamson? He's never looked any good for more than an odd game. Arms all over opposing players, and for someone as tall as he is he lacks a physical presence. Miles better than Perch or Simpson at CB, but still not good enough to be first option after an injury prone Steven Taylor.

 

It's criminal to only have 3 actual centre backs in a premier league squad.

 

We've got four out and out strikers in our squad - Ba, Best, Shola and Lovenkrands, plus option with Ben Arfa and Sameobi. That's a position where it's widely accepted that we need to strengthen, even though it's acceptable, at a pinch (or tacticallY), to play with only one striker. In defense you can't get away with having less than two central defenders.

[Aeris 0]

Wouldn't be so criminal if we actually had some young talent in the reserves to cover CB. We should go on shopping spree in January, buy mostly foreign, cheap and young, from far less reputational leagues, and cover every position. Mike Ashley might think he could earn himself a fortune selling every god damn player that turns out important for the first team, but I hella don't understand why he doesn't buy more players so there will always be someone in development to cover for the players he sell...I'm pretty sure it wouldn't look that ugly if our reserves had some actual exciting talent to cover for the likes of Tiote, Krul, Ba, Cabaye and Colo when they get sold in the next upcoming transfer windows. Or does he refuse to invest in the future because he's leaving VERY soon, like next year?

[Toonpack 9121]

As for OTF's "revelation", don't recall any clamour to relegate Williamson until these injuries tbh. Hindsight is a marvelous thing.

 

Who's to say that, when fit, Williamson won't experience a similar "upsurge" in form like Taylor has had, which I put down to defensive coaching/drilling that's been engaged in.

 

Fact remains you can't legislate for your three top CB's being fucked all at the same time.

 

Who here rates Williamson? He's never looked any good for more than an odd game. Arms all over opposing players, and for someone as tall as he is he lacks a physical presence. Miles better than Perch or Simpson at CB, but still not good enough to be first option after an injury prone Steven Taylor.

 

It's criminal to only have 3 actual centre backs in a premier league squad.

 

We've got four out and out strikers in our squad - Ba, Best, Shola and Lovenkrands, plus option with Ben Arfa and Sameobi. That's a position where it's widely accepted that we need to strengthen, even though it's acceptable, at a pinch (or tacticallY), to play with only one striker. In defense you can't get away with having less than two central defenders.

 

But the "still not good enough" is the conundrum, if he's at the standard that is deemed (by the fans) "good enough" is he happy to "sit" whilst the first choice pair are playing (were playing) so well. Williamson may well benefit as much as Taylor has from the "system". Premature to judge.

 

Their respective abilities aside, how often does anyone lose their top 3 players at a single position, let alone such a significant position. Our main problem is the fact our kids in that area would appear to be shite/ not ready.

 

You can only have 25 Senior pro's then it must be kids. Its about balancing the squad as much as anything. Absolutely would like an upgrade on Perch (and several others) but he is only 4th choice, that's a depth in your squad you'd hope to rarely get exposed to playing for any length of time.

 

Do we now need another CB, yes we do, but as I've said I reckon it'll be a young up and comer, we won't buy 2 (if we do, the other'll be a kid I reckon).

[Happy Face 29]

As for OTF's "revelation", don't recall any clamour to relegate Williamson until these injuries tbh. Hindsight is a marvelous thing.

 

Who's to say that, when fit, Williamson won't experience a similar "upsurge" in form like Taylor has had, which I put down to defensive coaching/drilling that's been engaged in.

 

Fact remains you can't legislate for your three top CB's being fucked all at the same time.

 

Who here rates Williamson? He's never looked any good for more than an odd game. Arms all over opposing players, and for someone as tall as he is he lacks a physical presence. Miles better than Perch or Simpson at CB, but still not good enough to be first option after an injury prone Steven Taylor.

 

It's criminal to only have 3 actual centre backs in a premier league squad.

 

We've got four out and out strikers in our squad - Ba, Best, Shola and Lovenkrands, plus option with Ben Arfa and Sameobi. That's a position where it's widely accepted that we need to strengthen, even though it's acceptable, at a pinch (or tacticallY), to play with only one striker. In defense you can't get away with having less than two central defenders.

 

But the "still not good enough" is the conundrum, if he's at the standard that is deemed (by the fans) "good enough" is he happy to "sit" whilst the first choice pair are playing (were playing) so well. Williamson may well benefit as much as Taylor has from the "system". Premature to judge.

 

Their respective abilities aside, how often does anyone lose their top 3 players at a single position, let alone such a significant position. Our main problem is the fact our kids in that area would appear to be shite/ not ready.

 

You can only have 25 Senior pro's then it must be kids. Its about balancing the squad as much as anything. Absolutely would like an upgrade on Perch (and several others) but he is only 4th choice, that's a depth in your squad you'd hope to rarely get exposed to playing for any length of time.

 

Do we now need another CB, yes we do, but as I've said I reckon it'll be a young up and comer, we won't buy 2 (if we do, the other'll be a kid I reckon).

 

Bottom line is we need more defenders...and policy should always be where possible to buy players better than the ones you have. I don't think that's possible in the case of Coloccini...but it shouldn't be at all beyond our wildest dreams in the case of Taylor.

 

The extent of ambition shouldn't be an up and comer to challenge Perch/Williamson for a place on the bench? We know they aren't good enough. And Stevie is confident he could shift them off the bench himself.

Edited December 13, 2011 by Happy Face

[Guest alex]

Have a word man! So we should have bought two new 4th and 5th choice CB's

 

How many teams have "quality" 4th and 5th choice anything. At that level into a squad you are into the kids (in a non sexual way) unless a more senior pro, out of position (in the managers opinion) is a better option.

 

Should have bought a 2nd/3rd choice CB tbh. Williamson moved down to fourth choice. With Steven Taylor it's a given that he'll be out for a large part of the season with injury.

Aye, exactly what I was getting at tbh. I suspect TP knew this, hence the need to put words into me mouth.

 

Just interpreted what you said without looking for any clandestine hidden meaning. I take it as I read it, don't try and anticpate any changes of tack, or re-emphasis in someones posts tbh I aint psychic.

 

As for OTF's "revelation", don't recall any clamour to relegate Williamson until these injuries tbh. Hindsight is a marvelous thing.

 

Who's to say that, when fit, Williamson won't experience a similar "upsurge" in form like Taylor has had, which I put down to defensive coaching/drilling that's been engaged in.

 

Fact remains you can't legislate for your three top CB's being fucked all at the same time.

Fact remains 3 CBs (especially when one has a history of injuries) isn't enough. It's basically asking for trouble. 3 being injured at the same time will obviously be problematic for any club but it shouldn't mean you have to play two full-backs there. Especially when one of those isn't even close to Premier League standard in his proper position. Pardew wanted another one too. Also it's not like there wasn't money available following the January / summer departures. It just highlights how clueless you are that this even needs pointing out tbh.

[Jim 0]

Norwich fan here. Like to have a look at other fans board's post match to see what they thought of the game, Although you probably couldn't care less thought would post my thoughts for what they are worth.

 

Firstly I thought it was a great game and one of the better games i've seen at Carrow Road this season. Obviously we were fortunate to catch you at a point where (i) confidence may have dipped a bit after your early run of form and (ii) the injuries to your defence/midfield were obviously going to make life easier for us. I have no doubt that when we play you at St James's Park in March things will be much, much tougher for us but as soon as I saw Taylor and Collocini were out I was quietly confident that Lambert would revert to two up front (we have played with Morison on his own for most of the season) and that we had a good chance of winning this game. Holt and Morison may not be the best or most skillful partnership in the prem but I reckon there are few better for the purposes of exploiting two inexperienced and short centre backs!

 

On that subject we have had 3 of our 4 main centre backs out for the last 2 months and have been playing Russell Martin (a right back) there so its not just you lot who have injuries to CBs. That said, a club of your size clearly should be better able to cope so Ashley/Pardew have clearly got the squad balance wrong.

 

Thought on balance we deserved to win and possily should have won more comfortably. Both of your goals (from the excellent Ba) really came out of nowhere and other than that we definietly had the better of it. Thought Cabaye also looked good. Obertan looks dangerous when running with the ball but after about 10 minutes you realise he has no end product at all. We played quite well in comparison to some of our other recent games and given that was our championship midfield thought it was a decent performance. I wouldn't say we were route one and we can knock it about better but Lambert rested our two wingers for this game.

 

Ref was sh*t but was equally sh*t for both teams. Was not a corner for our first goal but then was a blatant penalty about 5 minutes before. Couple of dodgy bookings as well. Sending off maybe a touch harsh as a straight red (although in the ballpark) but think he'd alrady been booked anyway?

 

Decent support from Newcastle I thought although surprised you took the smaller allocation!

 

Anyay thats it from me. Hope you get a couple of your defenders back against Swansea and WBA and can get back on track as you will be doing us a favour!

 

OTBC