***Official Mike Ashley Euro express thread***

[PUGATRON1000 0]

my point stands, as it always has done.

 

Newcastle United under Mike Ashley will NEVER match those league positions of the old regime until or unless he stops selling our best players and backs his managers completely when the occasional one leaves to one of the major world clubs ie Real Madrid, Barca, ManU [maybe].

 

This is the only way to behave if you want consistent success, and it is has been proven in football ever since the professional game began. I realise some of the bairns and stupid element will interpret that as a guarantee, but that is stupid as saying having a shot at goal guarantees a goal, not really my problem is someone is stupid enough to think that.

 

One good season, great. The first one in 5 years, but look at the longer term too. You need to back your managers and stop selling your best players.

 

You're like a broken record playing on Groundhog day you Blend!

 

You keep banging on about "selling our best players", who do you mean?? Cos from where i am sat every player that has gone has been replaced with someone as good as, if not better! (Can't say that definitely about Santon and Enrique yet granted, however can you say he's not??) If "they" managed to do this with younger, cheaper players on less wages then why? (And this is the kicker) Why should anyone be upset about that?

 

We got rid of Carroll, so what?? He's not that great mate, and i prefer the football we have played since getting shot of him to be honest. AND we got £35 million for him, anybody would be a mug to refuse to sell him for that.

 

We got rid of Nolan, so what?? He's not that great either, and i would certainly rather have Cabaye alongside Tiote.

 

We got rid of Barton, so what?? I'd rather have a united squad and solid team spirit (and I bet you Neil Warnock would as well now!!), he knocked a good dead ball, but so does Cabaye and Raylor, and as he was playing out on the right before he left I'd rather have Ben Arfa/Obertan. Plus with Barton there is always his next temper tantrum lurking in the background.

 

Enrique decided he didnt want to stay here, so what?? Again I'd rather have a squad that pulls in the same direction together, and although i'd like to see Santon at right back in the long run he is looking canny at the minute (I'd say he has certainly started his NUFC career better than Enrique did) And before you read the next bit LM, remove all sharp objects from near you......... There's always a chance we'll get a new LB in the summer!!

 

Honestly if you can't see that we have a better team now than we did before we "Sold all our best players" than what i suspect will be true and there will have been more brains in your dad's wanking sock than in your head! It's not always the cleverest sperm that wins the race you know!!

 

Who else is worth a mention?? Obafemi Martins? (Pffffft) Habib Beye (Another who thought the grass would be greener) Damien Duff??? Geremi?? Routledge?? Who is it exactly that you are weeping your little eyes out over constantly (and very repetitively)

 

come back when we have seen all the Carroll cash, and he has backed his managers to the tune of matching the league positions, champions League and european qualifications of his predecessors. Until then, bugger off because you are a nobody, you know nothing, and living in your little deluded world where you think football clubs can be successful by selling their best players and withholding the money and not backing their managers, you never will.

 

I bet your one of those bellends [blends ] who constantly impersonated Groundhog Day on Newcastle Online saying that anybody would do better than Fred etc etc blah blah....well after 4 years, Mike Ashley has got nowhere near those champions league and top 5 finishes, not once, apart from in a lower league after he watched us get relegated.

 

Fool.

 

Funny how you seem to suggest that we should build a better team at WHATEVER cost, but then snap your crayons cos we havent spent "The Carroll Cash". It feels like you'd be happier if we'd spunked it all on one player (who may or may not have proved to be a good signing. Could be a Shearer or could be an Owen).

 

I notice you have done you're usual and completely ignored the question i asked you, "Which of our BEST PLAYERS have we sold recently?" Why dont you have a look at the two links below to refresh your memory, (and give that NUFC almanac that is your brain a rest for two minutes)

 

http://www.nufc.com/2011-12html/transfers-pardew.html

 

http://www.nufc.com/2011-12html/transfers-hughton.html

 

You see I can't see anyone on there worth crying about, or is it that you're still bawling about Gazza getting shifted to Spurs??

[PUGATRON1000 0]

such as "throw more money at him" , which clearly wasn't, it was more basically, clueless, especially coming from an accountant.

 

Is english your first language LM? (Just you really do struggle with constructing basic sentences.)

 

"Blend"

 

Pea-Nai

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes might make too much of it and lack nuance, but I thinnk a huge factor in the Mackems fall was the sale of Bent, Gyan, Henderson and Jones amongst other to pull in £45m, but then only spending £17m to replace them with a championship kid and a few Man U rejects.

 

O'Neil has got the feel good factor back and a new manager bounce, but that feel good factor is very precarious and can go out the window quick. If they sold Sessegnon and Mclean for example, it'd piss people off.

 

that is absolutely correct, they sold their best players, and when people ie me and one or two others, pointed out that Liverpool's transfer policy was "flawed" etc etc it was pointed out that it was superior to the mackems, and ours too for that matter. Because unfortunately, it is. In fact, I got the usual rubbish spouted in my direction by those who think you can forever sell your best players and replace adequately for less money. In the real world, this is simply never sustained by anybody.

 

For those who have talked about "lacking professionalism" ie the grey man, it takes a damn sight more "professionalism" to qualify for the Champions League and europe regularly than it does to be relegated, and selling your best players and not backing your manager isn't exactly very "professional" either, but I suppose saying this in 3 lines rather than 3 pages of bullshit is too simplistic.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

So you don't think Carroll,Barton and Nolan have been replaced adequately?

[McFaul 35]

I'm gonna stand in the Gaza strip and shell in both directions if yous don't pipe down. It's good to have debate but can we pipe down about this issue, if only for one day.

[LeazesMag 0]

So you don't think Carroll,Barton and Nolan have been replaced adequately?

 

fucking hell.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

I'm gonna stand in the Gaza strip and shell in both directions if yous don't pipe down. It's good to have debate but can we pipe down about this issue, if only for one day.

Are you going to wear your Gazza strip in the Gaza strip?

 

Consider me piped

[Baggio 0]

Leazes might make too much of it and lack nuance, but I thinnk a huge factor in the Mackems fall was the sale of Bent, Gyan, Henderson and Jones amongst other to pull in £45m, but then only spending £17m to replace them with a championship kid and a few Man U rejects.

 

O'Neil has got the feel good factor back and a new manager bounce, but that feel good factor is very precarious and can go out the window quick. If they sold Sessegnon and Mclean for example, it'd piss people off.

 

Pretty sure they sold Jones before they bought Gyan tbf.

 

They've also still spent something like £50 million+ net in the last 5 years too.

 

So that supports the approach, sell Jones for £8m, sign Gyan for £13m have a canny season. Sell Gyan without a replacement having sold Bent and Jones already, it goes to shit.

 

Mclean has been O'Neils best player and he cost £350k. So i'm not daft enought o follow LM's line of thought that it's all about spending more than you pull in, but a clubs approach to transfers defines their whole outlook before a ball is kicked. What good will Ashley has built up goes out the window in the summer if he sells Colo, Tiote and Ba.

 

They didn't sell Gyan, they loaned him out and loaned Bendtner in.

 

Sunderland are in a similar position to Villa at the moment in that they've spent so much in recent years that it just wasn't a sustainable approach without an owner willing to throw money at every year, so they've had to wind it in as a club and attempt to be more sustainable.

 

The problem for both clubs is that they don't have the scouting network we have to compensate while they downscale, so while we have still managed to improve our squad despite cutting the wage bill and making the club more sustainable they haven't, which is how we've managed to overtake both.

 

Replacing Bent with Connor Wickham was ridiculous too.

[The Fish 10972]

Big problem with the sunderland example is that Bent, and Gyan both wanted out of that shithole as quickly as possible.

 

For me, selling a player with big promise can only be judged as prudent or not, in hindsight. We sold Carroll for a phenomenal fee and have adequately improved on him with Cisse and Ba costing less than a third of that which we recouped from AC's sale.

 

Henderson went for another staggering fee and hasn't been improved on by sunderland at all. Sure they're having a good run at the minute, it's impossible to argue that they're not playing well, but so far the only genuinely quality side they've faced was Man City. After that it's been a mix of lower league cup opposition and lower Premier League teams. I think their form is based on MON's feel-good factor and will disappear when results begin to go against them.

 

But back to their transfer policy, loaning Arsenal flops and signing over-the-hill Man U rejects? I'd rather ours to be honest. As would every team outside the top 7. We sold a player who has done nothing since his departure and who wouldn't get into the 1st team were he still at the club; good business. We sold the club captain (and top scorer )and have replaced him with a player who's got far more ability and plenty of his career ahead of him. And so on

 

All of this is only obvious in hindsight, but there must be a point where you begin to see the reasoning behind selling those players?

[PUGATRON1000 0]

 

Funny how you seem to suggest that we should build a better team at WHATEVER cost, but then snap your crayons cos we havent spent "The Carroll Cash". It feels like you'd be happier if we'd spunked it all on one player (who may or may not have proved to be a good signing. Could be a Shearer or could be an Owen).

 

I notice you have done you're usual and completely ignored the question i asked you, "Which of our BEST PLAYERS have we sold recently?" Why dont you have a look at the two links below to refresh your memory, (and give that NUFC almanac that is your brain a rest for two minutes)

 

http://www.nufc.com/...ers-pardew.html

 

http://www.nufc.com/...rs-hughton.html

 

You see I can't see anyone on there worth crying about, or is it that you're still bawling about Gazza getting shifted to Spurs??

 

Still waiting for a response LM? You are awfully quiet all of a sudden!

[PUGATRON1000 0]

 

that is absolutely correct, they sold their best players, and when people ie me and one or two others, pointed out that Liverpool's transfer policy was "flawed" etc etc it was pointed out that it was superior to the mackems, and ours too for that matter. Because unfortunately, it is. In fact, I got the usual rubbish spouted in my direction by those who think you can forever sell your best players and replace adequately for less money. In the real world, this is simply never sustained by anybody.

 

For those who have talked about "lacking professionalism" ie the grey man, it takes a damn sight more "professionalism" to qualify for the Champions League and europe regularly than it does to be relegated, and selling your best players and not backing your manager isn't exactly very "professional" either, but I suppose saying this in 3 lines rather than 3 pages of bullshit is too simplistic.

 

I'm genuinely confused as to how you think Liverpool throwing money at players and "Backing their manager" is "flawed", and yet our much more financially prudent (but yet probably more successful,) recruiting policy is "Unambitious" and "has set us back 20 years". Baffled !!!!!

[Bictor 0]

Anyone that is still moaning about Mike Ashley seriously needs to move on. We're 6th in the league and have replaced every player that has left with better players (other than Enrique) and yet people are still people are saying we have no ambition. It doesnt matter about the transfer fee. Its about how good the player is. And in the last year we have brought in some great players for low transfer fees. Im struggling to see whats wrong with that.

 

If we can sell a player for 35 million and replace him to two better players for 10 million that is just smart, clever management. NOT a lack of ambition.

 

re. moneyball. I really want to see that film!If anyone could message me a site where i could watch it it would be muchly appreciated.

[Baggio 0]

Have to admit I'm slightly worried about Sunderland having a good cup run and messing up the 7th place qualifying position.

[Guest CabayeAye]

Have to admit I'm slightly worried about Sunderland having a good cup run and messing up the 7th place qualifying position.

 

I'm not. They'll get arse raped in the next round and then arse raped by us at SJP.

[LeazesMag 0]

Have to admit I'm slightly worried about Sunderland having a good cup run and messing up the 7th place qualifying position.

 

I'm not. They'll get arse raped in the next round and then arse raped by us at SJP.

 

my admiration for you raising the tone and mentality of here is immense.

[Baggio 0]

To be honest I'd fancy our chances at home against anyone if we've got Tiote and Cabaye back however Arsenal are like us, unpredictable on the road.

 

Hopefully a draw when they go there this weekend.

[BestBaNone 0]

my point stands, as it always has done.

 

Newcastle United under Mike Ashley will NEVER match those league positions of the old regime until or unless he stops selling our best players and backs his managers completely when the occasional one leaves to one of the major world clubs ie Real Madrid, Barca, ManU [maybe].

 

This is the only way to behave if you want consistent success, and it is has been proven in football ever since the professional game began. I realise some of the bairns and stupid element will interpret that as a guarantee, but that is stupid as saying having a shot at goal guarantees a goal, not really my problem is someone is stupid enough to think that.

 

One good season, great. The first one in 5 years, but look at the longer term too. You need to back your managers and stop selling your best players.

Funnier things have happened than us coming 4th this season like.

 

indeed they have, but they will have to do it a lot more than once for me to be wrong.

 

 

No buddy it only needs to happen once for you to be wrong. Admit it. You said it would NEVER happen (you used capitals to emphasise this too). Admit it, admit it, admit it. This is why you're generally fucking disliked, shit like this. I even gave you numerous quotes from when you stated this. You also bleat on about not being afraid to admit it when you do get it wrong. Basically, you're a lying old bastard on top of everything else everyone says about you

Edited February 9, 2012 by BestBaNone

[Kitman 2207]

[No buddy it only needs to happen once for you to be wrong. Admit it. You said it would NEVER happen (you used capitals to emphasise this too). Admit it, admit it, admit it. This is why you're generally fucking disliked, shit like this. I even gave you numerous quotes from when you stated this. You also bleat on about not being afraid to admit it when you do get it wrong. Basically, you're a lying old bastard on top of everything else everyone says about you

 

Pointless, this.

[LeazesMag 0]

Funnier things have happened than us coming 4th this season like.

 

indeed they have, but they will have to do it a lot more than once for me to be wrong.

 

 

No buddy it only needs to happen once for you to be wrong. Admit it. You said it would NEVER happen (you used capitals to emphasise this too). Admit it, admit it, admit it. This is why you're generally fucking disliked, shit like this. I even gave you numerous quotes from when you stated this. You also bleat on about not being afraid to admit it when you do get it wrong. Basically, you're a lying old bastard on top of everything else everyone says about you

 

no buddy, as I have said elsewhere, we qualified for europe before with a shit board, so its possible. A real progressive club would qualify more than once and use it as a springboard to attempt to qualify for the Champions League. My view is that he would sell players and break up the team and carry on the sell and replace policy rather than build and improve, because he is a retailer by instinct and will take the sale when he can, and doesn't understand football.

 

I'm trying to be constructive here, you aren't going to change my mind, only Mike Ashley can do that, and if he does, then I will be more than happy to admit I am wrong unlike numerous others on here who I bet won't do the same when he [again] starts selling players and maybe even loses the manager as a result.

Edited February 9, 2012 by LeazesMag

[LeazesMag 0]

[No buddy it only needs to happen once for you to be wrong. Admit it. You said it would NEVER happen (you used capitals to emphasise this too). Admit it, admit it, admit it. This is why you're generally fucking disliked, shit like this. I even gave you numerous quotes from when you stated this. You also bleat on about not being afraid to admit it when you do get it wrong. Basically, you're a lying old bastard on top of everything else everyone says about you

 

Pointless, this.

 

I've answered him, once, hoping he gets it, and that is the last time.

[Guest alex]

I think you're certainly right in that Mike Ashley is still 'on trial' and that he hasn't earned our trust yet. That will take more than one decent season (which we haven't even had yet tbh - the Championship one doesn't count really). But I can only think of about two posters on here who'd oppose that view anyway. And I'm pretty convinced they're on the wind-up anyway. Or perhaps I'm giving them too much credit

[Renton 22023]

LM could admit he was wrong about the specific points BBN raised. But he simply can't do it. In fact I have never heard him admit he has been wrong about anything, ever. Being right is his raison d'être imo, the goal posts will forever shift to suit his view of reality.

 

This, combined with his strawman arguments, a seeming lack of mental capacity, an incredibly patronising tone, and, most of all, his constant repitition, are what drives people to dislike him. Other than that I love him.

[Guest alex]

He's on a mission from Allah tbh. The streets of Toontastic must be proselytized.

[LeazesMag 0]

LM could admit he was wrong about the specific points BBN raised. But he simply can't do it. In fact I have never heard him admit he has been wrong about anything, ever. Being right is his raison d'être imo, the goal posts will forever shift to suit his view of reality.

 

This, combined with his strawman arguments, a seeming lack of mental capacity, an incredibly patronising tone, and, most of all, his constant repitition, are what drives people to dislike him. Other than that I love him.

 

Renton, I reckon you ought to remind numerous people ie mancmag and Gloomy for starters, that they have bickered with me for years and won't admit they have been wrong, especially Gloomy. I've explained myself enough over the years, the long term posters, rather than a 16 year old kid who wasn't even born in 1992, will know exactly what I mean.

 

But you won't.

 

Anyway, I've said I intend to stop this, so be consistent in your criticisms if you can.

[manc-mag 1]

The thing is as has been pointed out it hasn't actually happened yet (European finish), and yet he's gone and moved the goalposts in advance. Stating the obvious here but we might well not finish in Europe- if he'd simply had the courage of his convictions, he wouldnt have had to become some dishonest revisionist.

 

On the specific point BBN makes-literally presenting him with the very quotes-he's banged to rights. That in a nutshell sums up why it's a complete waste of time 'debating'. Also shows up the: "If I was wrong, I'd be man enough to hold my hands up and admit it" rhetoric for the codswallop it is too. It's all about being 'right' and it's as infantile as that.