***Official Mike Ashley Euro express thread***

[Brock Manson 0]

 

You're using hindsight, anybody can use hindsight. Certain other posters do it all the time. At the time, they backed their manager, and tried to get Ferdinand and it took 6 months to get him [not 18 and we still haven't seen the money, don't you think that we are not going to see it now and it was never the intention accordingly ?

 

This is the bigger picture. A progressive club would have bought a centre half in January for starters with a european place on the horizon and cash in the bank waiting to be spent, even a small amount on a short term deal while waiting for the guy they want [which incidentally was done after the sale of Cole ie Kitson].

 

And we still haven't replaced Enrique btw.

 

This 'rubbish' you keep going on about? You've just added to it with that claptrap.

 

So you're saying this:

 

If FFS sell a player and don't replace him until 6 months down the line, that's ok because they waited for their man.

 

If Mike Ashley doesn't buy a defender in january, that's not ok because we're not a progressive club anymore. We've also replaced Carroll with Ba & Cisse, with money left over to buy a centre back in the summer.

 

So if we sign a new CB in the summer, will you admit to being hopelessly wrong on this one?

 

if we don't sign players without selling, and if we don't match Spurs in the forseeable future, will YOU admit to being hopelessly wrong, as 5 years clearly isn't enough time for you to see what is right in front of you ?

 

Is that a yes?

[Gemmill 46093]

IT'S OBVIOUS TO EVEN THE UTTEREST OF UTTER CHUMCUNTS.

 

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Leazes will cover all his bases. This season will be a flash in the pan. If anyone of note is sold we are a selling club in decline, even tho we have progressed for the last 3 seasons, that doesn't register with him. If we don't sell anyone, buy some decent players and finish 5th then we won't be matching the previous regime chum.

 

Seriously, you can't have a serious debate with him. All he's intent on is being proved right even when he's not. I would be surprised if he's never been in politics

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes will cover all his bases. This season will be a flash in the pan. If anyone of note is sold we are a selling club in decline, even tho we have progressed for the last 3 seasons, that doesn't register with him. If we don't sell anyone, buy some decent players and finish 5th then we won't be matching the previous regime chum.

 

Seriously, you can't have a serious debate with him. All he's intent on is being proved right even when he's not. I would be surprised if he's never been in politics

 

anyone who knows anything about football will know what I'm saying, because I've been saying the same things for years.

 

if we keep all our top players, and speculate to improve the TEAM with the rest of the Carroll cash as it is still there to be given to the manager, plus any more from selling players surplus to requirements, plus what should be a normal transfer budget for a club with the 14th biggest revenues in football, then we SHOULD progress. This is not rocket science. Do you comprehend ?

Edited April 3, 2012 by LeazesMag

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Better than DISSOLVE though #lfc

Their best players this season have been Gerrard and Bellamy, net cost £0. Their transfer policy, with the exception of Enrique, has been complete gash. People getting hung up on the costs rather than the quality need to get a grip

[LeazesMag 0]

Better than DISSOLVE though #lfc

Their best players this season have been Gerrard and Bellamy, net cost £0. Their transfer policy, with the exception of Enrique, has been complete gash. People getting hung up on the costs rather than the quality need to get a grip

 

there's always next year

[trophyshy 7084]

Do you never get tired of typing out the same thing over and over Leazes?

 

Or do you just have a cut and paste chart in the muslim shed?

 

'Hmmm, don't think I've used identical statement variant 12.2/A since yesterday morning, best pull her up.'

[LeazesMag 0]

Do you never get tired of typing out the same thing over and over Leazes?

 

Or do you just have a cut and paste chart in the muslim shed?

 

'Hmmm, don't think I've used identical statement variant 12.2/A since yesterday morning, best pull her up.'

 

people just won't be told man.

 

What do you think of post nr 2663 by the way, if you want to discuss something sensibly ? Because whatever your "opinion" or any other poster, this is how football works and how successful clubs are successful, not by selling your best players and not backing your manager with the money.

Edited April 3, 2012 by LeazesMag

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Better than DISSOLVE though #lfc

Their best players this season have been Gerrard and Bellamy, net cost £0. Their transfer policy, with the exception of Enrique, has been complete gash. People getting hung up on the costs rather than the quality need to get a grip

 

there's always next year

Leazes supporting the scousers spending then, speaks volumes of the route he would like us to take. Spending big=guaranteed success, go on mention the Carling cup

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Leazes will cover all his bases. This season will be a flash in the pan. If anyone of note is sold we are a selling club in decline, even tho we have progressed for the last 3 seasons, that doesn't register with him. If we don't sell anyone, buy some decent players and finish 5th then we won't be matching the previous regime chum.

 

Seriously, you can't have a serious debate with him. All he's intent on is being proved right even when he's not. I would be surprised if he's never been in politics

 

anyone who knows anything about football will know what I'm saying, because I've been saying the same things for years.

 

if we keep all our top players, and speculate to improve the TEAM with the rest of the Carroll cash as it is still there to be given to the manager, plus any more from selling players surplus to requirements, plus what should be a normal transfer budget for a club with the 14th biggest revenues in football, then we SHOULD progress. This is not rocket science. Do you comprehend ?

Why so hung up on the money? Cisse and BA are both superior to Carroll, he's been replaced with better players. Why does the cost matter so much to you?

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes will cover all his bases. This season will be a flash in the pan. If anyone of note is sold we are a selling club in decline, even tho we have progressed for the last 3 seasons, that doesn't register with him. If we don't sell anyone, buy some decent players and finish 5th then we won't be matching the previous regime chum.

 

Seriously, you can't have a serious debate with him. All he's intent on is being proved right even when he's not. I would be surprised if he's never been in politics

 

anyone who knows anything about football will know what I'm saying, because I've been saying the same things for years.

 

if we keep all our top players, and speculate to improve the TEAM with the rest of the Carroll cash as it is still there to be given to the manager, plus any more from selling players surplus to requirements, plus what should be a normal transfer budget for a club with the 14th biggest revenues in football, then we SHOULD progress. This is not rocket science. Do you comprehend ?

Why so hung up on the money? Cisse and BA are both superior to Carroll, he's been replaced with better players. Why does the cost matter so much to you?

 

sigh.

 

If the money is there, to FURTHER improve the team, and has been there for 18 months, why not spend it ?

 

Doh.

 

How many times.

[manc-mag 1]

The fact that we've had less money to spend has meant that we've spent it more wisely. I'm not suggesting that's a holistic blueprint for success, but it is true statement all the same. I'm pretty sure it must focus the mind and in that sense as long as it's driving better thinking about recruitment, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep each night that every last penny of the Carroll bonanza hasnt been re-absorbed by incoming players.

 

For me there are occasions where circumstances demand that you need to buy simply to fill a gap. I don't think we'll ever see MA do that now fwiw and we may suffer for that in isolation (the FA Cup exit being an example for me) but for the most part as long as we're not top of the money league we do need to research our players. Theres nothing wrong with that at all. Whatever claptrap Leazes is peddling this week, we've undoubtedly benefitted from taking an acutely strategic approach to the transfer market in recent years.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

Because he wants every penny accounted for.

We are a club in debt Leazes, not all of the money recieved through transfers will be instanty available for spending. There are agents, wages, sign-on fees and other things which people forget about.

In addition to that if 15 of carrolls 35 million were transfered to mike after signing Ba and Cisse, I`d say that is a profit well earned.

[LeazesMag 0]

The fact that we've had less money to spend has meant that we've spent it more wisely. I'm not suggesting that's a holistic blueprint for success, but it is true statement all the same. I'm pretty sure it must focus the mind and in that sense as long as it's driving better thinking about recruitment, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep each night that every last penny of the Carroll bonanza hasnt been re-absorbed by incoming players.

 

For me there are occasions where circumstances demand that you need to buy simply to fill a gap. I don't think we'll ever see MA do that now fwiw and we may suffer for that in isolation (the FA Cup exit being an example for me) but for the most part as long as we're not top of the money league we do need to research our players. Theres nothing wrong with that at all. Whatever claptrap Leazes is peddling this week, we've undoubtedly benefitted from taking an acutely strategic approach to the transfer market in recent years.

 

this "claptrap" is what you have described that I've told you for years, that you won't respond to and tell us exactly what has not happened that I said would happen.

 

In a few years time, what I;m saying now will be happening too. In fact, qualifying for europe will only accelerate the realisation that the club will not strengthen the team but continue to sell top players and witthold backing from the manager, because if we qualify for europe we will most def need a stronger team and squad to cope with the extra games and "progress in the top flight".

 

Or are you so dim you say this is "claptrap" too [because this is what I'm saying, meaning you clearly haven't read the updated thread before this post]

 

there are occasions where circumstances demand that you need to buy simply to fill a gap

 

I've actually said this today myself too, you utter bellend.

Edited April 3, 2012 by LeazesMag

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

The fact that we've had less money to spend has meant that we've spent it more wisely. I'm not suggesting that's a holistic blueprint for success, but it is true statement all the same. I'm pretty sure it must focus the mind and in that sense as long as it's driving better thinking about recruitment, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep each night that every last penny of the Carroll bonanza hasnt been re-absorbed by incoming players.

 

For me there are occasions where circumstances demand that you need to buy simply to fill a gap. I don't think we'll ever see MA do that now fwiw and we may suffer for that in isolation (the FA Cup exit being an example for me) but for the most part as long as we're not top of the money league we do need to research our players. Theres nothing wrong with that at all. Whatever claptrap Leazes is peddling this week, we've undoubtedly benefitted from taking an acutely strategic approach to the transfer market in recent years.

He's like a kid with his birthday money, have to spend,spend,spend. Our policy has proven to be successful so far and its clear they will stick to it, hence Mariappa is still at Watford. Players are being scouted and researched before being signed, if anyone thinks this is a bad policy doesnt have a clue.

 

I would be surprised if a CB and Full back aren't all but signed and a DM if Stevies Tiote facts are right. All this wheres the Carroll money bollocks is all he's got to cling to, sad twat

[LeazesMag 0]

Because he wants every penny accounted for.

We are a club in debt Leazes, not all of the money recieved through transfers will be instanty available for spending. There are agents, wages, sign-on fees and other things which people forget about.

In addition to that if 15 of carrolls 35 million were transfered to mike after signing Ba and Cisse, I`d say that is a profit well earned.

 

everybody is in debt. Not many clubs have the 14th biggest revenues in football though ...........

[manc-mag 1]

Oh and by the way, last season LM's glib response to people's general enjoyment of the season overall was: 'lets see if we better that next season!' Well we have done. Now, conveniently it's: 'let's see how we do next year!' Well yes, funnily enough that is important to everyone, but at the same time it's right to acknowledge where we are now and reflect on the progress thats been made. Because that's how you plan your next steps. If that involves exposing Leazes for being utterly wrong in his predictions he shouldn't take it personally or get overly emotional about it as it's a small price to pay iyam.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

Say you go out for a night . You've planned it for some time and are looking forward to it . You haven't been out for a while and have saved up and been given a few quid for the piss fund by a relative .

Youv've scrubbed your helmet, donned the cologne and away y go.

You get a few drinks in and start getting into it , moving from bar to bar . In the excitement you start getting on fancy cocktails and pay over the odds without realising because you're getting a bit hedonistic n that .

You get chatting with a few birds and think you've got every chance . We're in here Trigg !

You buy them a few drinks . Getting giddy with the dancing n shit you ask your mates to lend you £50 as you've got every chance still and there's more drinks to buy and taxi fares to foot here .

 

. . Crash-bang-wollop you see the birds getting away with someone else and you get thrown out the club for being too pissed . You've got no money for a taxi and you're stuck .

 

You end up kipping in a doorway. You've pissed your pants. You didn't get a jump. You owe your mates £50. You've got a bad taste in your mouth.

 

Are you going to do the same the following weekend ?

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

The fact that we've had less money to spend has meant that we've spent it more wisely. I'm not suggesting that's a holistic blueprint for success, but it is true statement all the same. I'm pretty sure it must focus the mind and in that sense as long as it's driving better thinking about recruitment, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep each night that every last penny of the Carroll bonanza hasnt been re-absorbed by incoming players.

 

For me there are occasions where circumstances demand that you need to buy simply to fill a gap. I don't think we'll ever see MA do that now fwiw and we may suffer for that in isolation (the FA Cup exit being an example for me) but for the most part as long as we're not top of the money league we do need to research our players. Theres nothing wrong with that at all. Whatever claptrap Leazes is peddling this week, we've undoubtedly benefitted from taking an acutely strategic approach to the transfer market in recent years.

 

this "claptrap" is what you have described that I've told you for years, that you won't respond to and tell us exactly what has not happened that I said would happen.

 

In a few years time, what I;m saying now will be happening too. In fact, qualifying for europe will only accelerate the realisation that the club will not strengthen the team but continue to sell top players and witthold backing from the manager, because if we qualify for europe we will most def need a stronger team and squad to cope with the extra games and "progress in the top flight".

 

Or are you so dim you say this is "claptrap" too [because this is what I'm saying, meaning you clearly haven't read the updated thread before this post]

Do you not think we are progressing? Do you think this side is better or worse than the one we had under Fat Sam? Or Souness for that matter?

[LeazesMag 0]

Oh and by the way, last season LM's glib response to people's general enjoyment of the season overall was: 'lets see if we better that next season!' Well we have done. Now, conveniently it's: 'let's see how we do next year!' Well yes, funnily enough that is important to everyone, but at the same time it's right to acknowledge where we are now and reflect on the progress thats been made. Because that's how you plan your next steps. If that involves exposing Leazes for being utterly wrong in his predictions he shouldn't take it personally or get overly emotional about it as it's a small price to pay iyam.

 

respond to the post I put to you and the other clown a few weeks ago, if I'm so wrong. Fool.

 

You ran away from answering Gene Clark too didn't you ? "Taking it personally", you phoned him up ? You're the ultimate hypocrite.

Edited April 3, 2012 by LeazesMag

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Because he wants every penny accounted for.

We are a club in debt Leazes, not all of the money recieved through transfers will be instanty available for spending. There are agents, wages, sign-on fees and other things which people forget about.

In addition to that if 15 of carrolls 35 million were transfered to mike after signing Ba and Cisse, I`d say that is a profit well earned.

 

everybody is in debt. Not many clubs have the 14th biggest revenues in football though ...........

Do we?

[manc-mag 1]

For me, Leazes makes too many posts about finances these days compared to only a very few about football. It's a strange one as he's usually wont to tell everyone how much he knows about football and how he's frequently asked by people who don't know very much about football, to tell them more about football. This is no doubt disappointing for those people who dont know very much about football as now is a time when we're actually progressing in a footballing sense, and so no doubt Leazes would have much good to say to them about the many ways in which the team has been strengthening.

[trophyshy 7084]

Do you never get tired of typing out the same thing over and over Leazes?

 

Or do you just have a cut and paste chart in the muslim shed?

 

'Hmmm, don't think I've used identical statement variant 12.2/A since yesterday morning, best pull her up.'

 

people just won't be told man.

 

What do you think of post nr 2663 by the way, if you want to discuss something sensibly ? Because whatever your "opinion" or any other bonehead poster, this is how football works and how successful clubs are successful, not by selling your best players and not backing your manager with the money.

 

Well I'll give you my opinion but it disagrees with yours.

 

I don't have entrenched views and am willing to modify my opinions as things go. I think we are looking to keep our best players but circumstance may not always allow that. Carroll was a freak event outside normal parameters and most of the other people leaving the reasons are known. Personally i AGREE with not spending it immediately and putting out the message that it is going into the club over a number of years. This tells other clubs we are not suckers and are not going to be fleeced in the way that we fleeced Liverpool. Smart business really. If I won the lottery there's no way I'd go public. Similarly we have a wage cap which also makes sense under FFP, players we cannot get to fit into that structure we have to encourage to stay by other means, by having a great manager or a progressive plan or great fans or superb infrastructure. We cannot pay the wages of the top players currently. Maybe we could again in the future but the only way to achieve that is growing the business legitimately.

 

I think Ashley made a total arse of his first few years, and still is in some ways. I agree Newcastle is a vehicle for SD, that's the world we live in. But given his desire to make SD a global brand (EU at least) it is inherent he wants his brand to be associated with a successful club. Delving into armchair psychology, an ego (megalomanic narcissist, I reckon) that gets that far in life wants it all. I don't subscribe to the notion he's happy with Newcastle to be also-rans.

 

He cannot bankroll the club in the way some wish as clubs have to wipe their own faces now, having said that we may have a better income if he had not made so many mistakes in the early years, but there is also a dreadful economic backdrop to all of this.

 

I think we're now in better shape than at any time under his tenure or for a few years before that. We are about where we ought to be, challenging for a top 6 spot. It's remarkable to me we've done that this season, but given the steady if rapid progress we have seen I can't just assume we'll go backwards now. We might sell one or two players, but they have proven to me they are prepared and able to adapt and evolve.

 

I think they are very tough negotiators, maybe the toughest in the league, and they won't be rushed. As Pardew said on Talksport the other day Ashley claims to be a 'tough seller'. If we do sell we get top dollar and I have no reason to believe, given Mike's massive investment so far, he will suddenly start 'pocketing' cash.

 

I am prepared to judge them on their improving progress as football club owner/chairmen. I don't see any point at all in holding up a yardstick which is not relevant to these times and judging them by that.

 

Pardew seems to be generating a spirit and harmony amongst the team, in close association with the fans, that may help us hold onto players. His performance and growth as a manager is there for all to see. His media work is exemplary and if he's managing Mike and Dekka that well too, then fantastic.

 

It's a fact of life clubs occasionally sell their best players, to not accept that is deluded. I understand you have seen some great players moved on and replaced with shite, I don't think any sales recently can be compared with the loss of Gazza or Waddle or Beardsley. Carroll is not fit to wipe their boots. If a player is sold then let's see what they do as a response to that sale. On balance they've done pretty well over the last few windows, I'm disappointed we didn't get an LB or a CB but they play the long game it seems.

 

I'm not so naive as to expect a glorious summer or a similar placement next season, but I will see what they are up to and assess again. I have hope.

 

Probably the key difference between us is that I have hope they will improve and build through evolution (with good reason too lately), you on the other hand seem to allow no room for hope. They're not doing it your way so it's a disaster.

 

 

We are where we are, basically. I would love us to be bankrolled to the moon and have Messi gagging to stay here. Maybe with another 2 or 3 years of progress we can get to a position of attracting and keeping the very top stars.

Edited April 3, 2012 by trophyshy

[Dr Gloom 22186]

i thought leazes was going to fuck off already. mad how he keeps coming back when he's constantly made to look the tedious old tit he is. i almost feel sorry for him.

[Gemmill 46093]

The fact that we've had less money to spend has meant that we've spent it more wisely. I'm not suggesting that's a holistic blueprint for success, but it is true statement all the same. I'm pretty sure it must focus the mind and in that sense as long as it's driving better thinking about recruitment, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep each night that every last penny of the Carroll bonanza hasnt been re-absorbed by incoming players.

 

For me there are occasions where circumstances demand that you need to buy simply to fill a gap. I don't think we'll ever see MA do that now fwiw and we may suffer for that in isolation (the FA Cup exit being an example for me) but for the most part as long as we're not top of the money league we do need to research our players. Theres nothing wrong with that at all. Whatever claptrap Leazes is peddling this week, we've undoubtedly benefitted from taking an acutely strategic approach to the transfer market in recent years.

 

this "claptrap" is what you have described that I've told you for years, that you won't respond to and tell us exactly what has not happened that I said would happen

 

Whoa, can I get a rewind, dungeonmaster?