Pacinofan 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 What about when we threw the money about and didn't get the players? How long can a club keep doing that? if you don't take a shot you don't score a goal In finance you can't keep missing, because the more you miss the less they allow you to shoot before you do yourself serious damage. We made some terrible signings & it cost us big money, the greater successes everyone enjoyed -but big money flops with no resale value on massive contracts was all too common an occurance. Obviously a few years ago we could compete, now we can't even come close. If we spent money like Liverpool or Man City we couldn't pay it back & regardless of the success it wouldn't give us europe because of financial fair play. The goal posts have been moved & we can't judge the current lot against the old lot because the finances involved dwarf what we could spent safely. Man City can spend £30-40m & they wont notice it's gone, Liverpool are the same, Arsenal's finances are extremely healthy from years of austerity in the transfer market & recently moving on a few players, Chelsea can spend massive amounts still, Man United make more than anyone. What makes you think Liverpool are in that situation Tom? When FSG came in they said right away that they wouldn’t be sugar daddies, in fact they only came into football because of the future FFP rules. They did say that there would be no acquisition debt on the club and any profits would be re-invested on the pitch. They also said that they would increase profits, which they have done and is ongoing. They also wanted the wage bill cutting, which Dalglish and Commolli did last summer by getting rid of 19 players. The nine players brought in on lower wages than some of the previous players. Torres, for example, was on 120,000, so Andy Carroll’s 70,000 a week was a big saving and so it went on. FSG’s net spend is 33 million, how can you put that in the same group as City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 If you have a brand & you wish to associate it with another brand you would want the association to be successful and to represent something positive. I can't imagine he wants to see Newcastle as a laughing stock, the better we do the better his horrible brand looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Fair one Pacinofan At the same time I would bet that FSG affords Liverpool a greater deal of flexibility than we can currently muster which I suppose was the point I was making! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Tell you what this forum is much better on a weekend when the mongs seem to go AWOL.... you mean some people are actually at the game ? You're counting yourself in the mong bracket then? Best admission from you yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacinofan 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Fair one Pacinofan At the same time I would bet that FSG affords Liverpool a greater deal of flexibility than we can currently muster which I suppose was the point I was making! Nice one Tom. I believe you are right in FSG's flexibility, they do like to win, unlike the previous owners who were quite happy if we got 4th every season. I don't think FSG are there to make a quick profit, but I do think they want to build the club up and win trophies with a view to sell 6 or 7 years down the line at a big profit. Much the same way David Moores did. I suppose it's the way it's always been, owners put money in with a view to long term gain while enjoying the fruits of the club they've supported all of their lives. One thing I can say about David Moores and his predecessors, which might go some way to explain Liverpool's success, Chairmen and directors never took a dividend nor wage, everything went back in to the club. Their personal motto was 'we exist to win trophies' , unfortunately, we all have a different breed of owner now, and it's pot luck at how they'll turn out. Surely it's to Ashleys interest that he builds the club up if he hopes to sell at some point. Look at how much debt Man U have, but the club is worth over a billion purely because they've built on their success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Fair one Pacinofan At the same time I would bet that FSG affords Liverpool a greater deal of flexibility than we can currently muster which I suppose was the point I was making! Nice one Tom. I believe you are right in FSG's flexibility, they do like to win, unlike the previous owners who were quite happy if we got 4th every season. I don't think FSG are there to make a quick profit, but I do think they want to build the club up and win trophies with a view to sell 6 or 7 years down the line at a big profit. Much the same way David Moores did. I suppose it's the way it's always been, owners put money in with a view to long term gain while enjoying the fruits of the club they've supported all of their lives. One thing I can say about David Moores and his predecessors, which might go some way to explain Liverpool's success, Chairmen and directors never took a dividend nor wage, everything went back in to the club. Their personal motto was 'we exist to win trophies' , unfortunately, we all have a different breed of owner now, and it's pot luck at how they'll turn out. Surely it's to Ashleys interest that he builds the club up if he hopes to sell at some point. Look at how much debt Man U have, but the club is worth over a billion purely because they've built on their success. If you've bought a club for hundreds of millions of quid, it's a relatively fair assumption you're going to want something back out of it financially. That's the essential difference between owners then and now. You used to be able to pick up clubs like Liverpool or NUFC for relative buttons and you were at zero risk of bankrupting yourself personally in the process, so there was no reason for them to be taking money out, it was one for the local millionaire hobbyists. Shepherd and Hall bought us for a million quid, Ashley by contrast spent hundreds of millions. As much as he's been a complete twat it's hard to argue with a straight face that he should run us as a hobbyist. He could afford to if he wanted to but he doesnt want to and its as simple as that. There are one or two such as Chelsea and City that do, but that's why football has changed so much for the traditional 'big' clubs like you, never mind us. If your owners are going to pit themselves against the dickheads in charge of City and Chelsea or the naturally bigger clubs like Man U they'll deserve to take money out because it'll basically be at their risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 As we've barely been out the top 7 all season I'm going to say pretty good. I think its 50/50 this season. What about next? Any improvement? Can you see us challenging for a champions league place in the coming seasons with this policy? Im interested to know what you think - not "funny" questions. Why should we be competing for a CL spot in the first place? We're arguably punching above our weight/over-achieving at the moment. Mike Ashley will love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestBaNone 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Mike Ashley will love you. Whilst his favourite critics are the ones who stump up their season ticket cash years in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Dave 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) "survival in the premiership IS the sole aim [anything else is a bonus]" So we spent £10m in January because survival is the aim? You're making stuff up man. Shut the fuck up. ewerk asked you for an answer to something that basically completely flummoxed you earlier, so you waffled on about "champions league...14th best revenues....5th place on average" and then promptly told him you were finished educating him. You're educating nobody in anything other than how to make a fucking fool of yourself on the internet. you shut the fuck up. You should also tell countless posters to answer my questions, in fact, you should answer those I've posted at you yourself too. The simple fact is that what I have said for years, IS all happening, despite you clinging to your desperate stupid comments saying otherwise, and childish remarks speculating on whether I've been to the pub or not, like a daft little kid who thinks having a pint of ale is shocking, you idiot. I've stuck to what I've always said at all times, and you simply can't prove anything is wrong because that quite simply has not been the case. You should stick to brushing up on your own perceptions, such as the ludicrous posts you made, as an accountant, backing the mad spending of Souness with all the money that you presumably thought the club had, as an accountant. And THAT is also the truth. You're potty. Champions League, 14th best revenues, 5th best average position, are NOT waffling, they are stone cold hard FACTS, you utter dummy. I also don't give a toss what ewerk says or asks, he's beyond any help. Edited March 5, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Mike Ashley will love you. Whilst his favourite critics are the ones who stump up their season ticket cash years in advance. what is your problem with someone supporting the football club ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Tell you what this forum is much better on a weekend when the mongs seem to go AWOL.... you mean some people are actually at the game ? You're counting yourself in the mong bracket then? Best admission from you yet! why don't you prove that what I've basically been saying for years is incorrect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Name our best players that have been sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestBaNone 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 what a guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestBaNone 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Mike Ashley will love you. Whilst his favourite critics are the ones who stump up their season ticket cash years in advance. what is your problem with someone supporting the football club ? Because you clearly don't support the club, you oppose and paint every move the club makes with your negativity and mental disorder. Your 'support' is purely financial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Dave 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I can sense another visit to the creche coming. Isn't this shite supposed to be confined to the mike Ashley thread? For someone who sees himself as a giant footballing intellect he's not too hot at learning a lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Name our best players that have been sold. http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/30154-player-of-the-season-poll/page__hl__season__fromsearch__1 Carroll wasn't included in the poll for our player of the season last year cos he'd already gone, but in addition to him, 50% of our 6 nominees have been shown the door. 2 of the top 3 including the actual winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30176 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 And there have been valid reasons for each of them going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) And there have been valid reasons for each of them going. There will always be a justification for selling any player. Sold 4 of our top 7 players though, so Li3nz is right. Edited March 5, 2012 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30176 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The only player we cashed in on was Carroll and that was for silly money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Whilst his favourite critics are the ones who stump up their season ticket cash years in advance. what is your problem with someone supporting the football club ? Because you clearly don't support the club, you oppose and paint every move the club makes with your negativity and mental disorder. Your 'support' is purely financial. I have offered to talk to you about any game since 1964, when you said you were a year older than me. That offer stands. Put up or shut up, you utter complete idiot. If supporting the club, in your eyes, means blind optimism, I just feel sad for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I can sense another visit to the creche coming. Isn't this shite supposed to be confined to the mike Ashley thread? For someone who sees himself as a giant footballing intellect he's not too hot at learning a lesson. that's a shame, that you appear to think that people should be banned for having a different opinion to the majority. That is Newcastle Online type mentality. It is compounded by the fact, that what I say still stands as being factual and correct, otherwise I could not say it. Do you think the admin on here are of Newcastle Online mentality ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Can we just ban Leazes and get it over with please. It's not funny any more. further proof of my last post. Why aren't you banned for being a big baby ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 why don't you prove that what I've basically been saying for years is incorrect ? There's clearly no need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6670 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 I also don't give a toss what ewerk says or asks, he's beyond any help. LeazesMag speak for "he destroys my arguement every time". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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