Carroll`s career so far in Liverpool

[Pacinofan 0]

Have we had Pacinofan's unbiased views on Negritogate?

 

No need, it's one mans word against another, so it's down to who you believe.

 

unless of course you actually read the report.

 

In which case you know thats not true and is just a(nother) lie spread about by LFC during this whole farse

 

Yes, it is true. there was no available evidence either on camera nor first hand witness'

[Pacinofan 0]

You're using it to say how ahead of yourself you are compared to last season, as I said while it's nice to win it it's not really something you judge the quality of your progress on.

 

Like I said 58 points and a 6th place finish is what you should be judging your progress against and considering the money spent along with no Hodgson you should be bettering that by quite a bit, well that's what I'd expect anyway.

 

Let's agree that our expectations are different then. We're already ahead because we've qualified for Europe, unlike last year.

Edited February 28, 2012 by Pacinofan

[trophyshy 7066]

Liverpool FC's reaction was misguided at best, even if Suarez was totally innocent, which he admitted he wasn't.

[Baggio 0]

You're using it to say how ahead of yourself you are compared to last season, as I said while it's nice to win it it's not really something you judge the quality of your progress on.

 

Like I said 58 points and a 6th place finish is what you should be judging your progress against and considering the money spent along with no Hodgson you should be bettering that by quite a bit, well that's what I'd expect anyway.

 

Let's agree that our expectations are different then.

 

Why are yours different?

 

Surely progress is judged on how much better you are with your manager and transfers on how much better off you are compared to last season?

 

I know that's how are squad strengthening and manager change will be judged.

[Pacinofan 0]

You're using it to say how ahead of yourself you are compared to last season, as I said while it's nice to win it it's not really something you judge the quality of your progress on.

 

Like I said 58 points and a 6th place finish is what you should be judging your progress against and considering the money spent along with no Hodgson you should be bettering that by quite a bit, well that's what I'd expect anyway.

 

Let's agree that our expectations are different then.

 

Why are yours different?

 

Surely progress is judged on how much better you are with your manager and transfers on how much better off you are compared to last season?

 

I know that's how are squad strengthening and manager change will be judged.

 

As I've already edited in the previous post. We have already qualified for Europe, unlike last year when we didn't qualify at all.

[OTF 7238]

As I've already edited in the previous post. We have already qualified for Europe, unlike last year when we didn't qualify at all.

 

Are there any teams out there that could have not qualified in the same circumstances? Already having one of the largest wage bills in the league and then spending an exorbitant amount of money on bringing players in?

[LeazesMag 0]

If I was a liverpool fan I'd have shot myself by now. Disgraced themselves this season with the racist carry-on and general cuntery, from the manager downwards.

 

give over.

[LeazesMag 0]

http://www.transferl...-transfers.html

 

£71m for Downing, Henderson and Carroll.

 

You'll have to win Wimbledon, the Melbourne Cup and the Battle of the Somme before I think that's good value.

 

I'm very surprised at this. I thought you had more sense. At the end of the day, Liverpool are moving forward and proclaiming their intent, while we are doing the opposite, everybody knows our best players can be bought.

 

And if Liverpool sell any of these players for less than they paid for them, they will allow their manager free reign to spend the entire amount from the sale, the same as they allowed the sale of Torres. The difference in outlook between the 2 clubs is so obvious, its almost shameful that people are defending it.

 

I really don't know what to say. Is it blind optimism, sour grapes, or sheer stupidity ?

[LeazesMag 0]

Liverpool FC's reaction was misguided at best, even if Suarez was totally innocent, which he admitted he wasn't.

 

it's irrelevant man. Get over it.

[trophyshy 7066]

http://www.transferl...-transfers.html

 

£71m for Downing, Henderson and Carroll.

 

You'll have to win Wimbledon, the Melbourne Cup and the Battle of the Somme before I think that's good value.

 

I'm very surprised at this. I thought you had more sense. At the end of the day, Liverpool are moving forward and proclaiming their intent, while we are doing the opposite, everybody knows our best players can be bought.

 

And if Liverpool sell any of these players for less than they paid for them, they will allow their manager free reign to spend the entire amount from the sale, the same as they allowed the sale of Torres. The difference in outlook between the 2 clubs is so obvious, its almost shameful that people are defending it.

 

I really don't know what to say. Is it blind optimism, sour grapes, or sheer stupidity ?

 

Nothing to do with Liverpool's intent or their attitude, or ours for that matter. It's my opinion that is too much for those players. I am not commenting on the relative approaches by either club.

 

If you don't know what to say then how about shutting the fuck up for once in your life?

[LeazesMag 0]

http://www.transferl...-transfers.html

 

£71m for Downing, Henderson and Carroll.

 

You'll have to win Wimbledon, the Melbourne Cup and the Battle of the Somme before I think that's good value.

 

I'm very surprised at this. I thought you had more sense. At the end of the day, Liverpool are moving forward and proclaiming their intent, while we are doing the opposite, everybody knows our best players can be bought.

 

And if Liverpool sell any of these players for less than they paid for them, they will allow their manager free reign to spend the entire amount from the sale, the same as they allowed the sale of Torres. The difference in outlook between the 2 clubs is so obvious, its almost shameful that people are defending it.

 

I really don't know what to say. Is it blind optimism, sour grapes, or sheer stupidity ?

 

Nothing to do with Liverpool's intent or their attitude, or ours for that matter. It's my opinion that is too much for those players. I am not commenting on the relative approaches by either club.

 

If you don't know what to say then how about shutting the fuck up for once in your life?

 

it is everything to do with the attitude and approach of the 2 clubs, this is the entire core of this whole debate, and every other debate that has came up concerning the ambitions, targets and expectations of NUFC.

 

I think if you can't control your sour grapes, then you should shut the fuck up because you and others are making yourself look like the childish, blind, 2nd raters that you are. Accepting that we have no chance of challenging Liverpool and rejecting their approach to how things are done in spite of their success spanning over 40 years. Give me strength, how fucking stupid is that ? No wonder people laugh at us.

 

The fact that you think it is "too much" is irrelevant. Liverpool think it wasn't, and they now have the trophy in their trophy room, and will without a doubt build on it rather than sell their best players and not back their manager as they go looking for more trophies and more european qualifications. Whatever the cost, whatever the loss on a player, whatever the profit on another player. They will back their manager and build on what they have started. They have made their club massively appealing again to other players, unlike NUFC who will be looked on as a stepping stone.

 

Live with it, deal with it, this is the truth. Accept it, and grow up.

[trophyshy 7066]

Fucking hells bells man.

[ewerk 30167]

So it doesn't matter if we pay over the odds for a player or if he isn't value for money, you just want to see massive money thrown around? I think that's the extent of your philiosophy, no wonder you fucking love Freddy.

 

And as for your comment on never being able to 'challenge' Liverpool, you might want to take a look at the league table.

[Craig 6670]

LM is a parody of himself with some of his comments like.

[PUGATRON1000 0]

LM is a parody of himself with some of his comments like.

 

A parody of the parody at times, like going to another level in Inception!

[LeazesMag 0]

LM is a parody of himself with some of his comments like.

 

quite simply Craig, I don't view hoping NUFC set up their ambitions and try to behave like Liverpool, rather than the likes of Birmingham, Bolton, Blackburn as a parody, a negative or anything of that nature. In fact I think its as positive as its possible to be and if someone tells me to fuck off I'm quite entitled to tell them the same ?

 

Shame this thread has gone in this direction, I still think the whole point of it is nothing more than sour grapes and a refusal to accept the truth of the situation. Carroll has made a good career move, which is why he moved, and he's got a winners medal to show for it and he's playing for a club that NUFC ought be aspiring to be like.

 

As for any "overprice" they paid for Carroll, they also got too much for Torres, and simply re-invested the money. If Carroll moves, they will make a loss but they will still back the manager with the money from the sale. Other players they buy will improve the team and increase in value, swings and roundabouts but at the end of the day, they signal their intent and make themselves an attractive club and increase the chances of more success as a result.

 

It's absolutely staggering that NUFC supporters are mocking such an approach.

Edited February 29, 2012 by LeazesMag

[LeazesMag 0]

So it doesn't matter if we pay over the odds for a player or if he isn't value for money, you just want to see massive money thrown around? I think that's the extent of your philiosophy, no wonder you fucking love Freddy.

 

And as for your comment on never being able to 'challenge' Liverpool, you might want to take a look at the league table.

 

Grow up.

[ewerk 30167]

So it doesn't matter if we pay over the odds for a player or if he isn't value for money, you just want to see massive money thrown around? I think that's the extent of your philiosophy, no wonder you fucking love Freddy.

 

And as for your comment on never being able to 'challenge' Liverpool, you might want to take a look at the league table.

 

Grow up.

 

Answer the rest of the post.

[LeazesMag 0]

So it doesn't matter if we pay over the odds for a player or if he isn't value for money, you just want to see massive money thrown around? I think that's the extent of your philiosophy, no wonder you fucking love Freddy.

 

And as for your comment on never being able to 'challenge' Liverpool, you might want to take a look at the league table.

 

Grow up.

 

Answer the rest of the post.

 

we'll see in May, and/or in future seasons who is the best policy, if the past 40-odd years isn't enough for you.

 

In the meantime, take my advice and grow up.

[Gejon 2]

To bring this back on topic, did you read the Liverpool fans comments on Carroll Leazes? Talking about how they will need to buy another forward if the one they spent £35m for doesn't up his game.

 

But he was part of a side that won a cup so he has obviously been successful

 

 

 

 

You spend £35m on a striker, 14 months later you are talking about having to replace him if he doesn't up his game?

 

Is he a success or failure?

 

Take your time...

[LeazesMag 0]

To bring this back on topic, did you read the Liverpool fans comments on Carroll Leazes? Talking about how they will need to buy another forward if the one they spent £35m for doesn't up his game.

 

But he was part of a side that won a cup so he has obviously been successful

 

 

 

 

You spend £35m on a striker, 14 months later you are talking about having to replace him if he doesn't up his game?

 

Is he a success or failure?

 

Take your time...

 

I've said my piece. They spent the money received from Torres and backed their manager. As a result, they have a trophy and have made themselves a more attractive club because they are being seen to be progressive, far more attractive than a club that is going down the road as being seen as a stepping stone. If you disagree, fine, but decide if you want NUFC to compete with Liverpool or the likes of Blackburn etc. Andy Carroll [and Jose Enrique] will be more than happy they have made this move, while Mike Ashley has profited, not NUFC.

 

But, grow up and accept the situation as it is. Because this is how it is.

Edited February 29, 2012 by LeazesMag

[ewerk 30167]

Two years ago we were playing in the Championship and Liverpool were playing in the Champions' League. We are now above Liverpool in the table. Yet they're the progressive club while we're going backwards?

 

Not sure that I follow.

[ChezGiven 0]

Its certainly had me stumped as i've been saying we are moving in the right direction for 18 months with the respective positions of us and Liverpool currently suggesting this may be the case. I keep coming on here and reading i was wrong though.

 

Confused.

[trophyshy 7066]

They've spent more than us therefore all your thoughts are irrelevant. Grow up.

[LeazesMag 0]

We will see.