Christmas Tree 4821 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Constructive and worthwhile, not at all an attempt at either derailing a thread or baiting another poster. The original 'discussion' wasn't anything to do with you so stop trying to cause trouble, pipe down, wind your neck in and fuck off you odious little turd. Couldn't sleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoog 0 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Couldn't sleep? Insomnia's a bitch, I need to start leaving my phone downstairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYD 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Carroll is travelling back through time on a Romulan mining ship to correct the future. It all makes sense. Chillax. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17646 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Surprise surprise, various articles this morning saying Ashley wants Liverpool to pay a large slice of Carroll's wages should he come next season on loan....all this is looking unlikely to be honest purely on that basis. A one sason loan provides little risk though, and if Ashley coughs up more dough a deal may yet be done. Can't see him joining on a long term basis though, unless Cabaye or Cisse are sold for a fee in the gazillion dollars bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33835 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I just think this may be ashley & co flying a kite in the hope of a bargain. That Swansea kid was sharp forgotten about when they realised there wasn't a £1M get out clause the other year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4821 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) I just think this may be ashley & co flying a kite in the hope of a bargain. That Swansea kid was sharp forgotten about when they realised there wasn't a £1M get out clause the other year. Nowt wrong with that. Seems basically they offered the Anita money. As Chez says, he's now losing them money, is on good wages and a long term contract and time is on his side. According to Lee Ryders sources, AC is very pissed off and can basically tell Liverpool its the Toon or I'll just sit tight and pick up my 5 mill a year. I think this has a good chance of coming off. Edited July 16, 2012 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 It's a curious move. I suppose AC offers us something different to Ba & Cisse and you can never have too many good strikers. However I'd have thought he'd have to accept sitting on the bench quite a bit until the ACN. I wonder if this is a bid they know has no chance of coming off....but the question would be why bother? To mollify the fans....to unsettle LFC.....to spook Twente or De Jong???? Or maybe it means one out of AC, Ba and Cisse would be up for sale in Jan for a fat profit? Who the fuck knows, not me as you can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I'd be very surprised if LFC sell to us by the way. Out of pride if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4821 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I'd be very surprised if LFC sell to us by the way. Out of pride if nothing else. Pride is one thing, getting paid upfront in readies is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I'd be very surprised if LFC sell to us by the way. Out of pride if nothing else. They sold Robbie Keane back to Spurs after a few months for a heavy loss, not as heavy as they will take on Carroll though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 99 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If they want to buy a new forward (Walcott?) they would likely use the cash from AC so I can see them wanting a sale and up front cash would help them in any negotiations. A cash up front deal from us makes perfect sense. Even if they lose on the deal they an blame KD. They also need AC off their books for wages and the money to buy with. I can really see this happening like, especially of AC wants to move here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 That's the key though. We don't play to his stengths any more, just as Liverpool never did. He's an awfully expensive Plan B. Thankfully we're much better off now that when we had him. you can't have enough good players, what a load of rubbish. Would you rather have Carroll, Ameobi, Lovenkrands or Best ? I wonder how many other fools are taking the same line as you ie "better than when we had him". It's irrelevant, the point is that any good player adds to the team and he would get lots of games, no doubt at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Ewerk been at the sauce tonight? looks like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) Armchair Pundit is an utter ringpiece, he thinks certain posters (mentioning no names or without using heavily weighted suggestions, like those taking their username from one of the ends of the ground that isn't the gallowgate, for example) are 'right on' with their hilariously outdated political views ffs. The prosecution rests. sadly for you , Armchair Pundit is one of the best football posters on here who has also clearly seen more of the real world than an overgrown student barely out of college, sitting in an ivory tower who thinks we can negotiate political issues with people who are little more than cavemen who hack peoples heads off for nothing, and blowing up innocent people in shopping centres, planes and buses, telling them they are naughty little boys and smacking their wrists to teach them a lesson. The prosecution rests. Edited July 16, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) Reading around a few different forums this morning its strange seeing the divide its caused, there are people who were vocal about him being sold who said they wouldn't sell him for any amount yet now they wouldn't have him back under any circumstances Personally I think he's a good player that has the potential to he very good, he was never worth anywhere near £35 million at the time but if we bought him back for up to £14 million or so I wouldn't have a problem, I would pay that for Sturridge or Welbeck and I'd put him in the sake bracket as them. Going back to what Llambias said about Pardew wanting a smaller squad with more quality, we could potentially get rid of Best, Lovenkrands, Ranger and Xisco and still improve the squad by only signing Carroll as their replacement. Edited July 16, 2012 by Baggio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 That should be your sig LM Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 sadly for you , Armchair Pundit is one of the best football posters on here who has also clearly seen more of the real world than an overgrown student barely out of college, sitting in an ivory tower who thinks we can negotiate political issues with people who are little more than cavemen who hack peoples heads off for nothing, and blowing up innocent people in shopping centres, planes and buses, telling them they are naughty little boys and smacking their wrists to teach them a lesson. The prosecution rests. :lol: Can you imagine if this is how your mind worked? Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 sadly for you , Armchair Pundit is one of the best football posters on here who has also clearly seen more of the real world than an overgrown student barely out of college, sitting in an ivory tower who thinks we can negotiate political issues with people who are little more than cavemen who hack peoples heads off for nothing, and blowing up innocent people in shopping centres, planes and buses, telling them they are naughty little boys and smacking their wrists to teach them a lesson. The prosecution rests. Is this a parody account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Reading around a few different forums this morning its strange seeing the divide its caused, there are people who were vocal about him being sold who said they wouldn't sell him for any amount yet now they wouldn't have him back under any circumstances Personally I think he's a good player that has the potential to he very good, he was never worth anywhere near £35 million at the time but if we bought him back for up to £14 million or so I wouldn't have a problem, I would pay that for Sturridge or Welbeck and I'd put him in the sake bracket as them. Going back to what Llambias said about Pardew wanting a smaller squad with more quality, we could potentially get rid of Best, Lovenkrands, Ranger and Xisco and still improve the squad by only signing Carroll as their replacement. About where i am as i don't think he was £35m player but i also think he's way better than he showed for most of the season at Liverpool. Also whilst he offers the option of long balls played up to him its a myth that once you sign him you have to play that way as i think he's accomplished with the ball at his feet and quite an intelligent player on the whole for use of the ball. We need another quality striker even if Ba stays, because 1 or more of them will get injured, suspended, lose form or be away for the african cup of nations and we will potentially be playing alot more games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 About where i am as i don't think he was £35m player but i also think he's way better than he showed for most of the season at Liverpool. Also whilst he offers the option of long balls played up to him its a myth that once you sign him you have to play that way as i think he's accomplished with the ball at his feet and quite an intelligent player on the whole for use of the ball. We need another quality striker even if Ba stays, because 1 or more of them will get injured, suspended, lose form or be away for the african cup of nations and we will potentially be playing alot more games this season. Carroll's definitely a quality striker. Hopefully we'll have someone who can cross the ball if he signs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 carroll and cisse would work well together up front in a 4-4-2 but we've not really got the wingers anymore to play to the big man's strengths. he was class for us feeding off those early balls barton used to ping in from out wide. ben arfa is more likely to go on a mazy run and slip a ball through on the ground than look to get the ball in the mixer early for the big fella. not saying he isn't still a good player, or that he wouldn't be a useful player to have back in the squad but when he was here last time, he was the focal point of the whole team and the way we played was set up to get the best out of him. he might struggle for goals if he came back the same way he has at liverpool unless we changed the way we play again. and our new style of play and new players acquired since he left have proved more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 How many of Carrolls goals came from our wingers? They all came from Nolan or Barton playing off him or in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 fucking shedloads of them came from barton pinging in crosses from wide right as far as i can remember. he feeds off that kind of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 It was more diagonal balls to the back post iirc. Also, it's a fallacy that he only scores off long balls. He was good on the floor and could often beat a man and ping one in from the edge of the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) It was more diagonal balls to the back post iirc. Also, it's a fallacy that he only scores off long balls. He was good on the floor and could often beat a man and ping one in from the edge of the box i agree there's more to his game than that. he has got a good touch and canny shot on him from outside the box. but you've got to play to his strengths. he feeds off good deliveries from wide or deep areas - a lot of the assists for his goals were set pieces or when the ball was whipped in by barton. look at that goal against sweden from gerrard's ball - he's unplayable when he gets that kind of service but i'm not sure we've got that kind of player in the side anymore, or that we should revert to that kind of game after the style of play we adopted last season saw us finishing 5th. Edited July 16, 2012 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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