Carroll`s career so far in Liverpool

[ewerk 30175]

I'll give you some time to do the adequate research before you attempt to come up with another argument.

 

Also, please keep me informed on the plan for playing Ben Arfa at RB. On a similar note it may be worth giving Ba a run in goal.

[guttierrors 0]

you making shit up? chum?, sorry statto,anyway ben arfa could never play right back

[ewerk 30175]

I apologise, it was your spacka mate who suggested playing Ben Arfa at RB.

 

What drew my attention to your stupidity was your claim that Shepherd wasn't ambitious enough to aim for the CL, despite achieving that position several times. You fucking idiot.

[guttierrors 0]

Ouch , I simply commented on a statement made by the chief exec which sounds remarkably like m. ashley dated 2001, I am not anti hall or shephard they did a great job and werre ambitious , I questioned because of the statement. we may hate each other but is that natalie portman?

[LeazesMag 0]

Its funny you managed to underline the fact your a complete prick It was obvious the team werent playing to his strengths limited as they may be , you think he,s shit now? whos the fuckin cretin and btw you really cant tell someone to fuck off via keyboard you docile cunt

 

ewerk is an expert you know

[LeazesMag 0]

apologies if someone else has posted this over the weekend.

 

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Exclusive-Newcastle-Mike-Ashley-spends-cash-to-extend-Fabricio-Coloccini-and-Tim-Krul-contracts-article873902.html

[JawD 99]

Good point made by that (and other places he has said it) that Colo signing also makes it easier for Krul to sign whereas if Colo didnt sign or reach a deal then perhaps others would also think twice.

[LeazesMag 0]

Good point made by that (and other places he has said it) that Colo signing also makes it easier for Krul to sign whereas if Colo didnt sign or reach a deal then perhaps others would also think twice.

 

basic sort of stuff tbh mate, this is a principle that the old regime always adopted, not just on occasions, not that it means either of them will actually not be sold if someone bids for them though. Because they will, they will be sold to finance the new contracts of someone else, just like the Carroll money has been used for that purpose.

 

I've said it hundreds of times, and I'll say it again. He will sell a player to make a profit if the club does not make one operationally, rather than go for the money to be made in the Champions League, or even to increase sponsorship deals etc. It's a vehicle for Sports Direct to sit alongside it, and so long as it is in the premiership and can display those adverts etc on that stage, he is happy.

 

And so it goes on. It's a 2nd rate, selling club mentality. If it had been adopted earlier, then Enrique may have still been here for starters, and nobody can say that Santon is a better player, because he certainly is not. He's better than Simpson though, and we could have had Santon and Enrique both in the team/squad.

Edited March 5, 2012 by LeazesMag

[Tom 14011]

Santon is much, much better than Enrique was in his first two seasons.

[LeazesMag 0]

Santon is much, much better than Enrique was in his first two seasons.

 

I always thought Enrique would be a good player, this point was made to me yesterday by my mate after the game that Santon has looked quite good fairly quickly and I accept that, but I think Enrique is the better player. Anyway, it doesn't excuse the point that a sell and replace policy was adopted, rather than add Santon to the team thus also improving the overall squad too as a result ie building and improving.

Edited March 5, 2012 by LeazesMag

[Monroe Transfer 0]

They sold him because he wanted out (that's a different story before you start), you moron. They didn't set out to sell and replace him. I'm sure if they were planning on that Enrique would have left the club a lot earlier.

[Tom 14011]

Santon is much, much better than Enrique was in his first two seasons.

 

I always thought Enrique would be a good player, this point was made to me yesterday by my mate after the game that Santon has looked quite good fairly quickly and I accept that, but I think Enrique is the better player. Anyway, it doesn't excuse the point that a sell and replace policy was adopted, rather than add Santon to the team thus also improving the overall squad too as a result ie building and improving.

 

Enrique is the better player now - but I think Santon will be the better player in a couple of years, he's on a long deal as well so I could fancy him to do something here.

 

Jose was a similar age when he came here and sometimes he was so bad we put Bassong at left back, he was universally berated by the fans and that only really improved when he found form in the championship.

 

His form in 10/11 was great in the first half of the season but tailed off after Carroll left, ''If Andy can get totally ridiculous money, why can't I?'

 

He stalled on his contract despite decent offers & he fucked off but there's a lot of glossing over regards his NUFC career.

[JawD 99]

Enrique was sold because he wouldnt even sit down to talk about a new contract let alone disagree to one iirc. Cant remember now. Certainly wasnt sold for profit. He was gash in his first year but made his mark when we were relegated and continued that form. Went off the boil a bit once he wanted out.

 

Too soon to be judgemental on Santon though imo. Looks canny so far though.

 

My point stands from the other thread though. You can take the new contracts two ways -

 

Positive - We tie down half of the spine of our team. Two of the best performers this season to long term contracts. Both players are happy and the wont be "doing an enrique"

Negative - We've only signed them so we can increase their sell on value

 

Im not saying they wont be sold, Im saying there is no way to tell when. Could be 4 years. No one knows. But them signing a new contract cannot be a bad thing.

[LeazesMag 0]

Santon is much, much better than Enrique was in his first two seasons.

 

I always thought Enrique would be a good player, this point was made to me yesterday by my mate after the game that Santon has looked quite good fairly quickly and I accept that, but I think Enrique is the better player. Anyway, it doesn't excuse the point that a sell and replace policy was adopted, rather than add Santon to the team thus also improving the overall squad too as a result ie building and improving.

 

Enrique is the better player now - but I think Santon will be the better player in a couple of years, he's on a long deal as well so I could fancy him to do something here.

 

Jose was a similar age when he came here and sometimes he was so bad we put Bassong at left back, he was universally berated by the fans and that only really improved when he found form in the championship.

 

His form in 10/11 was great in the first half of the season but tailed off after Carroll left, ''If Andy can get totally ridiculous money, why can't I?'

 

He stalled on his contract despite decent offers & he fucked off but there's a lot of glossing over regards his NUFC career.

 

fair enough Tom, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think Enrique is one of the best left backs in the premiership and I thought when he first came here that he would be a good player.

 

I also think the reasons he left are important, I don't have much doubt that he left the club for career reasons, and in such cases, it is up to NUFC to put their house in order and make the club more attractive to players from that particular point of view. I don't blame them for leaving if they have serious career ambitions to play for the ambitous clubs, I point the finger at NUFC and nobody else for that.

[Tom 14011]

For me it looks like they are giving contracts to ''good eggs'' like Coloccini & aren't too fussed about giving stupid deals to Barton & Nolan.

 

Nolan has gone off the radar, not worth £50k a week, Barton is getting abuse from QPR fans for his £80k a week deal, both deals amount to a fortune for little return.

[LeazesMag 0]

They sold him because he wanted out (that's a different story before you start), you moron. They didn't set out to sell and replace him. I'm sure if they were planning on that Enrique would have left the club a lot earlier.

 

I'm quite aware why he left you utter shithead, I've said numerous times why he left.

[Guest CabayeAye]

I thought Enrique always showed the ability to be a good player from the start. Santon has (albeit diffetent) abilites that will make him a good player too. Cabaye did it and Cisse is doing it too. You can always tell who the good players will be, who will be the cloggers and who will be the flops. Enrique and Santon would've been amazing though!

[Tom 14011]

Leazes - Of course he needed time - but I think the same time afforded to Santon, whom has a greater pedigree will give a greater return.

 

I don't think Enrique entertained the idea of staying, fair enough he was disillusioned when Carroll was sold but it's really looking like the club were right on that one.

 

I have no problem with Newcastle giving players what they are worth & I don't think we could really match Liverpool's offer & signing on fee, he cashed in.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

They sold him because he wanted out (that's a different story before you start), you moron. They didn't set out to sell and replace him. I'm sure if they were planning on that Enrique would have left the club a lot earlier.

 

I'm quite aware why he left you utter shithead, I've said numerous times why he left.

 

Disagreeing with your own points now then.

[LeazesMag 0]

They sold him because he wanted out (that's a different story before you start), you moron. They didn't set out to sell and replace him. I'm sure if they were planning on that Enrique would have left the club a lot earlier.

 

I'm quite aware why he left you utter shithead, I've said numerous times why he left.

 

Disagreeing with your own points now then.

 

wtf are you blabbing on about ?

[manc-mag 1]

Santon is much, much better than Enrique was in his first two seasons.

 

I always thought Enrique would be a good player, this point was made to me yesterday by my mate after the game that Santon has looked quite good fairly quickly and I accept that, but I think Enrique is the better player. Anyway, it doesn't excuse the point that a sell and replace policy was adopted, rather than add Santon to the team thus also improving the overall squad too as a result ie building and improving.

 

Enrique is the better player now - but I think Santon will be the better player in a couple of years, he's on a long deal as well so I could fancy him to do something here.

 

Jose was a similar age when he came here and sometimes he was so bad we put Bassong at left back, he was universally berated by the fans and that only really improved when he found form in the championship.

 

His form in 10/11 was great in the first half of the season but tailed off after Carroll left, ''If Andy can get totally ridiculous money, why can't I?'

 

He stalled on his contract despite decent offers & he fucked off but there's a lot of glossing over regards his NUFC career.

 

Given the deals we're seeing at the moment I think it's fair to say we would have paid Enrique the going rate for his services. He certainly wouldn't have been swindled for a full back with what would have been on the table as you say.

 

He wanted away because he wanted to join Liverpool for me, simple as. He's won something already so fair do's. Liverpool do that not simply because of the massive fees they've paid of late (Carroll has done nothing for them, ditto Downing and Henderson is Joe average), but because they're Liverpool and thats what they do. Win things. They still won things back in the day that Leazes harks back to ie when we were the 'top' team in the Prem in terms of the spending he craves and when they were 'shit'. Our players probably wouldnt have gone there back then (during that brief few year window), you can't argue with that, but of course they'd have won something if they did.

 

Enrique was a kick in the teeth because he'd become a rock in terms of both defending and attacking play and it instantly becomes a headache to find someone as good as him to replace him, but what the fuck can you do? He wanted away so you've got to get on with it. You're right about his initial problems in adapting too. That's another reason why it was hard to lose Enrique because we essentially paid for his learning curve. He was always quality but not a Prem product instantly. I think that will probably be the same with Santon too to a degree, but it would be wrong to therefore say we were in for a worse calibre of player than we were when we initially picked up Enrique.

 

I will hold my hands up and say the new deals for Collo and Krul prove me wrong on what I previously believed about the cap. I thought anyone wanting over 50k would be flogged, absolutely irrespective of their importance but that seems not to be the case, provided the player meets the right criteria. Part of me wonders if it's still a broad rule (all the top lads renewals have come in at around 55k (Tiote/Krul/Jonas) and Collo is an exception due to his prior deal, but I spose time will tell on that one. They've been rewarded for their efforts though so thats a good sign for me, in terms of what it says to the other players, rather than paying 60k up front for the likes of Smith so there's absolutely zero incentive. We absolutely cant pay the very top money for obvious reasons so respectable entry level stuff with the genuine prospect of advancement after you've proved your worth is fine by me given who we've seen come in recently.

[Tom 14011]

We give decent wages but we can never match the artificial clubs, #

 

 

Nasri gets £200k to bench warm at Man City for example, Carroll gets the same as Collocini to warm Liverpool's.

 

We can't compete with that for obvious reasons.

[manc-mag 1]

We give decent wages but we can never match the artificial clubs, #

 

 

Nasri gets £200k to bench warm at Man City for example, Carroll gets the same as Collocini to warm Liverpool's.

 

We can't compete with that for obvious reasons.

 

Aye.

 

I'm willing to bet there wouldnt be a massive difference between what Enrique is on now and what he might have got if he'd stayed like, in terms of a weekly wage. I reckon it'd have been around 60k based on what we're seeing and I don't think he's on massively more than that at Liverpool. The transfer fee is another matter of course and you only get a slice of that if you actually transfer, so again very little we could do about that iyam.

[Craig 6670]

Tell you what this forum is much better on a weekend when the mongs seem to go AWOL....

[LeazesMag 0]

Tell you what this forum is much better on a weekend when the mongs seem to go AWOL....

 

you mean some people are actually at the game ?