LeazesMag 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I don't really dwell on Enrique leaving as he wanted out and refused to negotiate a new deal, the thing is Leazes makes out this is exclusive to Ashley's time at the club but that isn't the case. I can remember Ollie Bernard refusing to negotiate a new deal and insisting he hadn't seen the contract, it was all bullshit of course but he wanted out and was prepared to run down his contract to get the move away he wanted and I think we ended up accepting an offer from Southampton in the Janaury for them to keep him until his contract ran out in the summer just to get some money for him. Bernard was every bit as important to the team back then as Enrique was last season, but then if players are determined to leave there really isn't much you can do about it. I won't mention the quality of the replacement for either player as that's not really important, the important thing is we made a net spend on replacing Bernard and not on Enrique, so we obviously showed more ambition with the replacement. the success of the overall policy, is determined by league positions over time. Mike Ashley has a long, long way to go before you can even start to compare, but who is talking about the old regime here ? I'm talking about the lack of ambition of the current regime, something you won't accept, and you have also forgot about yourself proclaiming non-stop a few years ago how this DOF system would bring automatic success, before it was binned by Redknapp at the Spurs you held up as the perfect example under Ramos and Comolli, and also used it as some sort of proof that the NUFC regime headed by Wise was superior to that managed by Keegan, at the time. So what was different between Enrique refusing to sign a new deal and Bernard doing the same? Although the irony of you complaining about a DOF while in a thread praising the transfer policy of a club that employs a DOF does tickle me. my point is the same as I always said, which is that the system is nothing, its the people who matter. You said that a DOF system was guaranteed to bring success, and the club you harp on about all the time binned that system and is now doing much better, and they are doing better because they have started keeping their best players, backing their manager, and bringing quality players to the club and paying the price and competing. It's nothing to do with the "system", its because they are buying quality players and backing the manager who is making good judgements. I really don't know why I bother, how many years is it going to take for some people to grasp this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 the success of the overall policy, is determined by league positions over time. Mike Ashley has a long, long way to go before you can even start to compare, but who is talking about the old regime here ? I'm talking about the lack of ambition of the current regime, something you won't accept, and you have also forgot about yourself proclaiming non-stop a few years ago how this DOF system would bring automatic success, before it was binned by Redknapp at the Spurs you held up as the perfect example under Ramos and Comolli, and also used it as some sort of proof that the NUFC regime headed by Wise was superior to that managed by Keegan, at the time. So what was different between Enrique refusing to sign a new deal and Bernard doing the same? Although the irony of you complaining about a DOF while in a thread praising the transfer policy of a club that employs a DOF does tickle me. I was chuckling at the contradiction there too. didn't you also want rid of the old regime "for anybody" ? This makes me chuckle too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacinofan 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 If a club offered anywhere near what they paid for Carroll they would snatch their fucking arms off. He's done next to fuck all there and that's from Liverpool fans he's just won a winners medal in a Wembley final, and who do you think is more likely to break into the top 4 between us and Liverpool ? End of story So did the Birmingham players last year. I don't think either us or Liverpool will get top 4 but they have spent over 100mil not doing it and they are still below us in the table. God you must be fucking praying we don't finish above them this season I'd say that both teams are a work in progress and it'll take a couple of seasons for them both to find their real level once the current players have bedded in, and new ones have been added to strengthen the squads further. How much have Newcastle spent in the last three windows? The 111 million Liverpool have spent has strengthened the squad considerably from what it was before, I'm not sure Newcastle have done that yet, your first team certainly looks stronger. Hopefully this summer we'll be able to attract a couple of established high quality players to go straight into the first team, having at least qualified for the Europa League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14053 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Last season we were fielding Nile Ranger and Alan Smith and have went from mid-table to European spots. Liverpool have spent considerably more and haven't made any momentum in the league (though I wouldn't mind a cup like). I'd say on investment alone, I'd be expecting more and indeed, some smarter spending of big money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 this thread is supposed to be about Andy Carroll There appears to be a number of people who can't accept that his career is so far doing just fine, because he went somewhere else for career reasons and/or was kicked out of the club and/or decided to go somewhere else for more money [would they turn down an offer of a higher paid job?]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacinofan 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I think the end of the season is the time to judge whether the club has progressed or not. For the fans it's been considerable progress, better football, better squad of players and a piece of silverware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 He's got pretty much the same league record as Hodgson hasn't he? but he's spent like £100m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I meant Enrique obviously but I suppose it does give Leazes a reason to ignore another question he can't answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacinofan 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 He's got pretty much the same league record as Hodgson hasn't he? but he's spent like £100m? No, he hasn't Tom, not sure what his win/lose ratio is but the football alone is well worth the change, and not forgetting Hodgson got us knocked out of the League Cup by Northampton town. How much have Newcastle spent in the last three windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 If a club offered anywhere near what they paid for Carroll they would snatch their fucking arms off. He's done next to fuck all there and that's from Liverpool fans he's just won a winners medal in a Wembley final, and who do you think is more likely to break into the top 4 between us and Liverpool ? End of story So that means Liverpool wouldn't sell him for £30m? What a moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31203 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Hopefully this summer we'll be able to attract a couple of established high quality players to go straight into the first team, having at least qualified for the Europa League. What areas do you think you need to strengthen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 He's got pretty much the same league record as Hodgson hasn't he? but he's spent like £100m? No, he hasn't Tom, not sure what his win/lose ratio is but the football alone is well worth the change, and not forgetting Hodgson got us knocked out of the League Cup by Northampton town. How much have Newcastle spent in the last three windows? £0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) If a club offered anywhere near what they paid for Carroll they would snatch their fucking arms off. He's done next to fuck all there and that's from Liverpool fans he's just won a winners medal in a Wembley final, and who do you think is more likely to break into the top 4 between us and Liverpool ? End of story So that means Liverpool wouldn't sell him for £30m? What a moron keep to the subject, and answer the question. Carrolls career is going fine, it may stick in your throat, especially as we haven't seen the cash from the sale, but he has just won a cup winners medal and is playing for a club that will attempt to build on that success. Hardly a step backwards, but I suppose some will try and convince themselves that this is the case. Sour grapes. Grow up, and accept the situation. Edited February 28, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 You are such a blinded moron but yes it's been a great move for him so far. The fans all back him 100% and not one of them think he is absolutely useless, he has been putting in the performances expected from the most expensive British player ever sold and playing in this cup final is not papering over any cracks In other news Obafemi Martins was a much bigger success in England than Shearer was post Blackburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14053 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) He's got pretty much the same league record as Hodgson hasn't he? but he's spent like £100m? No, he hasn't Tom, not sure what his win/lose ratio is but the football alone is well worth the change, and not forgetting Hodgson got us knocked out of the League Cup by Northampton town. How much have Newcastle spent in the last three windows? About £10.4 million. Before we signed Cisse, it was about 400k outlay Edited February 28, 2012 by Ayatollah Hermione Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 You are such a blinded moron but yes it's been a great move for him so far. The fans all back him 100% and not one of them think he is absolutely useless, he has been putting in the performances expected from the most expensive British player ever sold and playing in this cup final is not papering over any cracks In other news Obafemi Martins was a much bigger success in England than Shearer was post Blackburn. omg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Good answer, as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 keep to the subject, and answer the question. As if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Good answer, as usual unfortunately, your sour grapes response is not worthy of anything else. We are not attempting to challenge Liverpool anymore, this is why Enrique has also found it a more attractive club. I've explained the situation, accept it and grow up. Edited February 28, 2012 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Are you nit going to answer the question then Leases? What's the difference between the Enrique and Bernard situations when neither would sign a new contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I don't see much different at Liverpool other than a feel good factor from having a manager that the fans like, I don't really see the better football either since they've struggled for goals. They could have done so much more with the money they spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacinofan 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Hopefully this summer we'll be able to attract a couple of established high quality players to go straight into the first team, having at least qualified for the Europa League. What areas do you think you need to strengthen? LB, RW and obviously strikers. We need a good LB as back up for Enrique, although Glen Johnson has done pretty well there when needed. Kuyt is getting old now so a good right winger would be advantageous as Henderson is better in the middle than on the wing. I think we need two new strikers unless Carroll ups his game, and Bellamy can only play one game a week, great though he is. Other than that we have a very young reserve side with some really good players coming through. I think that's where the owners see the future of the team, with money only being spent on one or two top tier players bought each season to keep the team competing at the top. That's the idea anyway, whether it comes off or not remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacinofan 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 He's got pretty much the same league record as Hodgson hasn't he? but he's spent like £100m? No, he hasn't Tom, not sure what his win/lose ratio is but the football alone is well worth the change, and not forgetting Hodgson got us knocked out of the League Cup by Northampton town. How much have Newcastle spent in the last three windows? About £10.4 million. Before we signed Cisse, it was about 400k outlay You see, you can't use gross spend for one club and net spend when comparing with another. This site says you've spent 23 million for this season, 13 million net. http://www.transferl...-transfers.html I would accept that they may have it wrong here and there, but on that premise Liverpool have spent 56 million this season, 35 million net. I think that our squad is stronger than yours, and so the money spent will show by the end of the season. That's what I think anyway. At the present moment we have a brilliant defence, midfield isn't bad but a bit short with both Gerrard and Lucas out for most of the season. Kuyt has always done a decent job on the wing, and Downing is great when he's good,but too inconsistent atm. In attack the weak link is Carroll. Suarez is a second striker, and Bellamy can't play every game which means that Carroll gets too many games for my liking. Kuyt plays ok with Suarez or Bellamy but we need him out wide. As a team we are playing some great football and there have only been a handful of matches this season that I haven't enjoyed watching them. Our problems have all been up front with some woeful finishing. Sort that in the summer and I think we'll be able to compete on a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Don't see how the money spent will show anything by the end of the season, nothing that means anything anyway. It's not as if we had a squad of similar strength before this season and your superior dealings will see you pull away, I think it's guaranteed that the gap between us will be closer at the end of this season than it was last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/liverpool-transfers.html £71m for Downing, Henderson and Carroll. You'll have to win Wimbledon, the Melbourne Cup and the Battle of the Somme before I think that's good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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