Pardew - two players max to come in during the January window

[manc-mag 1]

twist again

[The Fish 10972]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlTMcJV6OU

[Kitman 2207]

I might have a stress fracture in my right foot. Needs an x-ray.

[Dr Gloom 22185]

Leazesmag should change his username to threadkiller. You can barely find one topic on here that he's posted in that hasn't descended into the usual farce.

[Kitman 2207]

Leazesmag should change his username to threadkiller. You can barely find one topic on here that he's posted in that hasn't descended into the usual farce.

 

It's not all about Leazesmag though is it? Why not have a go at the people who troll him and perpetuate these threadkilling "debates". Usually the same people iirc.

Edited November 24, 2011 by Kitman

[Dr Gloom 22185]

I think he's more culpable. He goes fishing for bites in every single thread be posts in. I can see that even with him on ignore. Agee that more people should refrain from biting

[Guest alex]

Stop mentioning him all the time then.

[Dr Gloom 22185]

Stop mentioning him all the time then.

 

It's hard not to when you see the same shit in every thread. If fewer people rose to it, perhaps he'd stop. This place would improve tenfold if you could enter what looks like an interesting topic without knowing its going to end up in the usual ding dong over Ashley v shepherd. It's killing this place man

[Guest alex]

I agree it's boring but you try and get a rise out of him all the time with your sly digs tbh so you're a hypocrite.

[Dr Gloom 22185]

I'm honestly not. I can't see what he's posting, I don't give a fuck if he bites at what i say. I wouldn't keep mentioning it if it wasn't evident in almost every single thread, even with him on ignore. Just wish more people would let it lie for the sake of the board.

 

The irony about leazesmag of couse is he can be a half decent poster when he's not banging on about the same old crap.

[Dr Gloom 22185]

I tell you what though, I'll stop mentioning him altogether if everyone else promises to stop biting and cluttering up the forum.

 

Alternatively, I'll take him off ignore if leazesmag promises to drop it.

 

 

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazesmag should change his username to threadkiller. You can barely find one topic on here that he's posted in that hasn't descended into the usual farce.

 

It's not all about Leazesmag though is it? Why not have a go at the people who troll him and perpetuate these threadkilling "debates". Usually the same people iirc.

 

indeed, I don't see them as "trolling" me though, I just see them as clueless.

 

Dr Gloom is in no position to accuse me of killing threads though, when he is the most miserable tosspot on here, but at least the hypocrite is now repeating what I told him years ago that he initially disagreed with.

[LeazesMag 0]

I don't honestly feel like we've sustained anything (meaning genuine top flight high performance) for more than three seasons on the belt since I've been supporting the club.

 

how long have you been supporting the club.....

 

see 3rd, 6th, 2nd and 2nd between 1994 and 1997.

 

[LeazesMag 0]

I'm not saying what happened years ago, I'm telling you how clubs are successful. Wake up.

 

See the bit where you say "Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to", replace that with "Newcastle could compete but Ashley chooses not to".

 

Is that relevant enough for you ?

 

But that is the problem you patently are not, you have absolutely no clue about how the successful clubs are successful. Which is simply illustrated by the fact that these so called successful clubs (outside of the mega-backed 2) run, and always have as far as I know, within the VERY operating model NUFC now has in place, that very model you disdian so much. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and yes, even Man U. They all back their managers "within their means" and not above or beyond those means. That is a stone cold nailed down FACT.

 

No other club in the league (bar maybe Everton) were, or are, run on the “bank cash only” top-up model, as we were. (Oh aye, and Portsmouth and Leeds, but we saw what happened there).

 

Why can’t it work for NUFC, seriously ??

 

We are bigger than most, I would even suggest if Liverpool’s trophy famine continues we should even overtake them (and before you say it NO, we were never, and are not, considered bigger than them within the game).

 

What could slow us down is the level and rapidity of Ashley’s debt recovery, but even with that we are set up better than most, simply because of our size. Even if he recoups quickly (which is fundamentally different to pocketting btw), why shouldn’t he, if he hadn’t put it in in the first place we’d have been knackered and there’s a case to be made for being really debt free “the sooner the better”.

 

No doubt some will just say, oh well once he’s got his debt back he’ll cream the profits. Personally I don’t see it, the annual profits likely to be realised are casino money/pocket change to someone like him. He’s more likely to sell it, IMO.

 

Alternatively he could really go for the SD publicity vehicle angle, but for that to really work NUFC would have to be succesfull over and above "run of the mill" premiership standard. Why?, because SD's stated target markets for expansion in the next 5 years are: Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece (and bizzarely Estonia, Slovenia and Finland) with continued growth in France, Belgium and Holland. Decent viewing and thus brand penetration in those countries will need European football competition exposure simply because of the strength of their established home leagues, exposure via a run of the mill Premiership club just won't cut it enough.

 

On the odd occassions I've watched a game in a bar in Europe there's been bugger all locals in, it's always Brits.

 

Either way we are set up for sustainable "success" what level that success will be, I dunno, maybe we'll even win things, but that part of the equation will come down to striking it lucky with a manager, as it always does, for everyone.

 

selling your best players and pocketing the cash - is NOT the way to make progress in football.

 

Next.

 

Oh, Tiote is next. Replaced by some knacker from Celtic for a fraction of the price. More "good business" for Mike.

 

What did you say you new "re-assessment" of him was again ?

[LeazesMag 0]

Just for clarity I responded in this thread randomly as I thought it irrelevant which of the several threads Leazes had "contributed"* to that I spoke my mind.

 

Again he fails to realise my points, he instead prefers to question me about the previous regime while supping on his lemonade.

 

So, I'll state my case again. Leazes cannot form a cogent argument. Leazes does not understand punctuation. Leazes will not entertain ideas that, regardless of whomsoever posts them, counter his own. Leazes shall not ever release his iron grip on this particular topic until either a) we all die, 2) he's proven right/wrong beyond all doubt** iii) his internet provider takes pity on the world and bans him from participating in online discussions.

 

Leazes, you've yet to suggest a way, in this domestic football landscape, to achieve the success we all crave. You simply say that Ashley's boring "slow progression while keeping costs down and profits up" model won't work. Tell us how you genuinely think we can compete with Spurs and the like to surpass the position we'll find ourselves in come the end of the season (general consensus being 7th). Especially given we can't promise anybody Europe (too many competitors for that assertion to ring true), we can't afford to fill anybodies pocket with fat wages (but then neither do Spurs to be fair). So far, under Ashley's regime we've seen the best Left back at the club in ... well Enrique was the best LB I've ever seen lace up his boots for us, Coloccini is fast becoming one of the best CBs I've seen in 25 years following NUFC, Tiote is the best defensive midfielder I've seen, and players like Cabaye, Ba, Krul all have the potential to be real stars for this club.

 

Now compare those players to those signed under the much vaunted "speculate to accumulate" times under H&S. Luque, Boumsong, Marcelino, Gavilan, Bassedas, Domi, Distin, Bramble, Owen, Martins, Viana, Cort, Smith off the top of my head. Not all of these broke the bank, but all of these cost us money and fucked off and none of these (to my memory) did we make a profit on. Highlight the players who not only came for a large fee, but demanded a large wage too and you'll see why most people are willing to give this new idea of trusting scouts and trying to unearth gems, ahead of seeing Duff available for £6,6 and panicking into buying a name instead of looking at N'Zogbia (who you've recently lauded as a good player) and saying "we don't need another left winger".

 

*correct use of quotation marks there pal

** this will take NUFC to win cups and attain high league positions consistently for... oh, I dunno, thirty years? OR Another club to boom and bust their way to cup and league success using the same model that H&S used in their time, prompting our own owner (whomever it may be) to adopt the same model and achieve the same success... which won't happen either.

 

were you drinking on your own again last night ?

[LeazesMag 0]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see there is absolutely no way we can compete financially with City,Man U,Chelsea and I would say also Liverpool.

 

Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to and wants to do it his way by bringing players through and not spending 30mil plus on players. They had to sell 2 world class players in Fabregas and Nasri, its the nature of the current game.

 

I'm not sure why people fail to see that money is king and there are a lot of clubs out there with cash to burn and if they set their sights on a player then its extremely difficult for that players club to hang onto their player

 

If anyone fails to acknowledge that the game is very different than the one where we played in the CL then they are deluded, plain and simple

 

Respond to the points with a valid argument of why they are incorrect

 

I've had enough of responding to you. I've tried to explain to you why the club is not set up to challenge for where it should.

No you have not, all you do is spout the same old drivel about what happened years ago. The points I make above are valid and relevant to how the game is in 2011/2012 and the reason you can't address them is that your typical stock responses won't work. Now IF you can, please explain which of my points I made are incorrect bearing in mind its 2011/2012 season now, ok??

 

You also mentioned where we should be competing, where do you think we should realistically be competing? Champions? Top 4? Europa league?

 

I'm not saying what happened years ago, I'm telling you how clubs are successful. Wake up.

 

See the bit where you say "Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to", replace that with "Newcastle could compete but Ashley chooses not to".

 

Is that relevant enough for you ?

It would be if a) you answered my points and maybe explain how and which teams you think we should be competing with.

 

I look forward to your irrelevant answer

 

"Newcastle could compete but Ashley decides not to" is bang on the button chum.

[Toonpack 9978]

I'm not saying what happened years ago, I'm telling you how clubs are successful. Wake up.

 

See the bit where you say "Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to", replace that with "Newcastle could compete but Ashley chooses not to".

 

Is that relevant enough for you ?

 

But that is the problem you patently are not, you have absolutely no clue about how the successful clubs are successful. Which is simply illustrated by the fact that these so called successful clubs (outside of the mega-backed 2) run, and always have as far as I know, within the VERY operating model NUFC now has in place, that very model you disdian so much. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and yes, even Man U. They all back their managers "within their means" and not above or beyond those means. That is a stone cold nailed down FACT.

 

No other club in the league (bar maybe Everton) were, or are, run on the “bank cash only” top-up model, as we were. (Oh aye, and Portsmouth and Leeds, but we saw what happened there).

 

Why can’t it work for NUFC, seriously ??

 

We are bigger than most, I would even suggest if Liverpool’s trophy famine continues we should even overtake them (and before you say it NO, we were never, and are not, considered bigger than them within the game).

 

What could slow us down is the level and rapidity of Ashley’s debt recovery, but even with that we are set up better than most, simply because of our size. Even if he recoups quickly (which is fundamentally different to pocketting btw), why shouldn’t he, if he hadn’t put it in in the first place we’d have been knackered and there’s a case to be made for being really debt free “the sooner the better”.

 

No doubt some will just say, oh well once he’s got his debt back he’ll cream the profits. Personally I don’t see it, the annual profits likely to be realised are casino money/pocket change to someone like him. He’s more likely to sell it, IMO.

 

Alternatively he could really go for the SD publicity vehicle angle, but for that to really work NUFC would have to be succesfull over and above "run of the mill" premiership standard. Why?, because SD's stated target markets for expansion in the next 5 years are: Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece (and bizzarely Estonia, Slovenia and Finland) with continued growth in France, Belgium and Holland. Decent viewing and thus brand penetration in those countries will need European football competition exposure simply because of the strength of their established home leagues, exposure via a run of the mill Premiership club just won't cut it enough.

 

On the odd occassions I've watched a game in a bar in Europe there's been bugger all locals in, it's always Brits.

 

Either way we are set up for sustainable "success" what level that success will be, I dunno, maybe we'll even win things, but that part of the equation will come down to striking it lucky with a manager, as it always does, for everyone.

 

selling your best players and pocketing the cash - is NOT the way to make progress in football.

 

Next.

 

 

Just as well we're not doing either of those things then, isn't it.

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see there is absolutely no way we can compete financially with City,Man U,Chelsea and I would say also Liverpool.

 

Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to and wants to do it his way by bringing players through and not spending 30mil plus on players. They had to sell 2 world class players in Fabregas and Nasri, its the nature of the current game.

 

I'm not sure why people fail to see that money is king and there are a lot of clubs out there with cash to burn and if they set their sights on a player then its extremely difficult for that players club to hang onto their player

 

If anyone fails to acknowledge that the game is very different than the one where we played in the CL then they are deluded, plain and simple

 

Respond to the points with a valid argument of why they are incorrect

 

I've had enough of responding to you. I've tried to explain to you why the club is not set up to challenge for where it should.

No you have not, all you do is spout the same old drivel about what happened years ago. The points I make above are valid and relevant to how the game is in 2011/2012 and the reason you can't address them is that your typical stock responses won't work. Now IF you can, please explain which of my points I made are incorrect bearing in mind its 2011/2012 season now, ok??

 

You also mentioned where we should be competing, where do you think we should realistically be competing? Champions? Top 4? Europa league?

 

I'm not saying what happened years ago, I'm telling you how clubs are successful. Wake up.

 

See the bit where you say "Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to", replace that with "Newcastle could compete but Ashley chooses not to".

 

Is that relevant enough for you ?

It would be if a) you answered my points and maybe explain how and which teams you think we should be competing with.

 

I look forward to your irrelevant answer

 

"Newcastle could compete but Ashley decides not to" is bang on the button chum.

I heard that, you said it in your previous answer. Can you please elaborate on WHICH teams we should be genuinely competing with and where would be an acceptable league position for us??

 

Do you accept/deny its harder to compete than it was previously due to the vast sums of money being spent by very wealthy owners?

[LeazesMag 0]

I'm not saying what happened years ago, I'm telling you how clubs are successful. Wake up.

 

See the bit where you say "Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to", replace that with "Newcastle could compete but Ashley chooses not to".

 

Is that relevant enough for you ?

 

But that is the problem you patently are not, you have absolutely no clue about how the successful clubs are successful. Which is simply illustrated by the fact that these so called successful clubs (outside of the mega-backed 2) run, and always have as far as I know, within the VERY operating model NUFC now has in place, that very model you disdian so much. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and yes, even Man U. They all back their managers "within their means" and not above or beyond those means. That is a stone cold nailed down FACT.

 

No other club in the league (bar maybe Everton) were, or are, run on the “bank cash only” top-up model, as we were. (Oh aye, and Portsmouth and Leeds, but we saw what happened there).

 

Why can’t it work for NUFC, seriously ??

 

We are bigger than most, I would even suggest if Liverpool’s trophy famine continues we should even overtake them (and before you say it NO, we were never, and are not, considered bigger than them within the game).

 

What could slow us down is the level and rapidity of Ashley’s debt recovery, but even with that we are set up better than most, simply because of our size. Even if he recoups quickly (which is fundamentally different to pocketting btw), why shouldn’t he, if he hadn’t put it in in the first place we’d have been knackered and there’s a case to be made for being really debt free “the sooner the better”.

 

No doubt some will just say, oh well once he’s got his debt back he’ll cream the profits. Personally I don’t see it, the annual profits likely to be realised are casino money/pocket change to someone like him. He’s more likely to sell it, IMO.

 

Alternatively he could really go for the SD publicity vehicle angle, but for that to really work NUFC would have to be succesfull over and above "run of the mill" premiership standard. Why?, because SD's stated target markets for expansion in the next 5 years are: Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece (and bizzarely Estonia, Slovenia and Finland) with continued growth in France, Belgium and Holland. Decent viewing and thus brand penetration in those countries will need European football competition exposure simply because of the strength of their established home leagues, exposure via a run of the mill Premiership club just won't cut it enough.

 

On the odd occassions I've watched a game in a bar in Europe there's been bugger all locals in, it's always Brits.

 

Either way we are set up for sustainable "success" what level that success will be, I dunno, maybe we'll even win things, but that part of the equation will come down to striking it lucky with a manager, as it always does, for everyone.

 

selling your best players and pocketing the cash - is NOT the way to make progress in football.

 

Next.

 

 

Just as well we're not doing either of those things then, isn't it.

 

where is the Carrol money ?

 

What is your "re-assessment" of Mike Ashley and his ambitions for the club, that you said you would make, now that the September 1st deadline has gone, and he has decided to pocket the cash [unless he has given it to his manager, in which case quite a few of us must have blinked and missed it]

[LeazesMag 0]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see there is absolutely no way we can compete financially with City,Man U,Chelsea and I would say also Liverpool.

 

Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to and wants to do it his way by bringing players through and not spending 30mil plus on players. They had to sell 2 world class players in Fabregas and Nasri, its the nature of the current game.

 

I'm not sure why people fail to see that money is king and there are a lot of clubs out there with cash to burn and if they set their sights on a player then its extremely difficult for that players club to hang onto their player

 

If anyone fails to acknowledge that the game is very different than the one where we played in the CL then they are deluded, plain and simple

 

Respond to the points with a valid argument of why they are incorrect

 

I've had enough of responding to you. I've tried to explain to you why the club is not set up to challenge for where it should.

No you have not, all you do is spout the same old drivel about what happened years ago. The points I make above are valid and relevant to how the game is in 2011/2012 and the reason you can't address them is that your typical stock responses won't work. Now IF you can, please explain which of my points I made are incorrect bearing in mind its 2011/2012 season now, ok??

 

You also mentioned where we should be competing, where do you think we should realistically be competing? Champions? Top 4? Europa league?

 

I'm not saying what happened years ago, I'm telling you how clubs are successful. Wake up.

 

See the bit where you say "Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to", replace that with "Newcastle could compete but Ashley chooses not to".

 

Is that relevant enough for you ?

It would be if a) you answered my points and maybe explain how and which teams you think we should be competing with.

 

I look forward to your irrelevant answer

 

"Newcastle could compete but Ashley decides not to" is bang on the button chum.

I heard that, you said it in your previous answer. Can you please elaborate on WHICH teams we should be genuinely competing with and where would be an acceptable league position for us??

 

Do you accept/deny its harder to compete than it was previously due to the vast sums of money being spent by very wealthy owners?

 

not for the first time....fuck me sideways. Do you ever read anything ?

 

It is not "harder" for Newcastle United to compete at higher levels than the likes of Stoke, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Villa etc, in fact it never was any harder. Do you understand this, do you actually read and understand anything ? Why are Newcastle United, with the 3rd biggest ground in the country and the 14th highest turnover in world football when Mike Ashley bought this club, selling their best players and pocketing the cash rather than backing their own appointed manager ?

Edited November 24, 2011 by LeazesMag

[jaythesouthernmag 0]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see there is absolutely no way we can compete financially with City,Man U,Chelsea and I would say also Liverpool.

 

Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to and wants to do it his way by bringing players through and not spending 30mil plus on players. They had to sell 2 world class players in Fabregas and Nasri, its the nature of the current game.

 

I'm not sure why people fail to see that money is king and there are a lot of clubs out there with cash to burn and if they set their sights on a player then its extremely difficult for that players club to hang onto their player

 

If anyone fails to acknowledge that the game is very different than the one where we played in the CL then they are deluded, plain and simple

 

Respond to the points with a valid argument of why they are incorrect

 

I've had enough of responding to you. I've tried to explain to you why the club is not set up to challenge for where it should.

No you have not, all you do is spout the same old drivel about what happened years ago. The points I make above are valid and relevant to how the game is in 2011/2012 and the reason you can't address them is that your typical stock responses won't work. Now IF you can, please explain which of my points I made are incorrect bearing in mind its 2011/2012 season now, ok??

 

You also mentioned where we should be competing, where do you think we should realistically be competing? Champions? Top 4? Europa league?

 

I'm not saying what happened years ago, I'm telling you how clubs are successful. Wake up.

 

See the bit where you say "Arsenal could compete but Wenger chooses not to", replace that with "Newcastle could compete but Ashley chooses not to".

 

Is that relevant enough for you ?

It would be if a) you answered my points and maybe explain how and which teams you think we should be competing with.

 

I look forward to your irrelevant answer

 

"Newcastle could compete but Ashley decides not to" is bang on the button chum.

I heard that, you said it in your previous answer. Can you please elaborate on WHICH teams we should be genuinely competing with and where would be an acceptable league position for us??

 

Do you accept/deny its harder to compete than it was previously due to the vast sums of money being spent by very wealthy owners?

 

not for the first time....fuck me sideway. Do you ever read anything ?

 

It is not "harder" for Newcastle United to compete at higher levels than the likes of Stoke, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Villa etc, in fact it never was any harder. Do you understand this, do you actually read and understand anything ? Why are Newcastle United, with the 3rd biggest ground in the country and the 14th highest turnover in world football when Mike Ashley bought this club, selling their best players and pocketing the cash rather than backing their own appointed manager ?

Sorry, I appear to have missed the bit where you said which teams we SHOULD be competing with, the ones you have mentioned above are teams we ARE competing with, how many players from those teams would get into our first 11??

 

I notice you didn't answer the question on where you think we should be finishing? See I've wrote it again just in case you missed it.

 

 

 

 

[spongebob toonpants 4153]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPlTMcJV6OU

 

I know nobody is interested, but the best e assisted moment I ever had was fatboy taking over the booth at the honey club in brighton and d for damage and the ill behaviour.

[LeazesMag 0]

 

Sorry, I appear to have missed the bit where you said which teams we SHOULD be competing with, the ones you have mentioned above are teams we ARE competing with, how many players from those teams would get into our first 11??

 

I notice you didn't answer the question on where you think we should be finishing? See I've wrote it again just in case you missed it.

 

I've told you, I'm not interested in a flash in the pan, I'm far more interested in the setup of a football club to achieve long term good positions and sustained european football etc. Such as qualifying for europe regularly over a 15 year period.

 

You don't do that by selling your best players and pocketing the cash.

[JawD 99]

I wish he would shut the fuck up. (Pardew, not you LM ) about Jan. He seems to be going on so much about how we could lose a top player for big money in Jan I almost think it is the club saying "Are you listening Chelsea? We will sell in Jan if you want Tiote".

[Monroe Transfer 0]

I wish he would shut the fuck up. (Pardew, not you LM ) about Jan. He seems to be going on so much about how we could lose a top player for big money in Jan I almost think it is the club saying "Are you listening Chelsea? We will sell in Jan if you want Tiote".

 

You do realise how interviews work, right? Can almost guarantee that Douglas asked him "Is it possible that one of our top players could be sold in the January window?".

 

I'd rather Pardew was honest as opposed to making assurances that no-one will leave, like he did with Carroll. That backfired on him and now he's learned from his mistake:

 

“You can never think you’re OK. I learned that in my days at West Ham but the Andy Carroll thing brought that home more vividly than most things.”