jonasjuice 0 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 at people championing ryan Taylor over our Italian international Looking for a bite? Always is the greedy bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Who the fuck are you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 878 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Thought he was canny slow to react. My overall point was that people wanting to drop Taylor is more to do with a longer held opinion on him coupled with the unknown quantity of Santon on the bench who is rated. Let's not forget people were calling for Marveaux to start on the right despite him being one-dimensional and uncomfortable out there in the games he played wide right. Santon should be the next RB as soon as Simpson's out the team, not the LB. Taylor's been infinitely more solid than Simpson this year IMO (though, I accept that part of that is down to Gutierrez' contributions defensively (which again, brings up the ludicrous notion that some people have had of dropping him)), is more comfortable with the ball at his feet and has scored important goals. Simpson offers nothing but a decent sprinter. Drop Taylor when we get a natural LB but IMO, he's done nowt to warrant getting dropped like. This game wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back ala Williamson's shite run of form that let Steven Taylor back in, just one dodgy game against the best team in the country and the most in-form full back in the league. Evra struggled, Assou-Ekotto struggled, Warnock struggled, Olsson would have struggled. He's not a scapegoat for our loss yesterday. I've since watched the full 90 minutes btw. Mistakes, aye but fucking hell, Steven Taylor has made worst mistakes in the past year. I'm on board with everything else, but I thought Marveaux was excellent wide right against Everton and didn't look uncomfortable at all. He's a big loss. Calls for R. Taylor to be dropped are perhaps a bit premature. He was torn up by the best attack in the Premier League and he isn't a left-back (or really any sort of defender at all.) But throwing Santon in the deep end seems like a bad plan as well. I think we should persevere with R. Taylor for a couple of games, but I do have two questions: why aren't we even giving Santon minutes? If we don't want to drop Ryan for him, I understand that, but he's made what, three appearances? He could've come on as a sub yesterday once we were 3-0 down, if not for R. Taylor then for Simpson. Secondly, why is it that we sold our only left back and then replaced him with a right back while playing a (sort of) right back as left back in the meantime? In other words, how did we lose our only recognised left back and STILL not have one when the season began? Criminally poor planning from gambler Ashley yet again. It was bad enough that we never brought in cover for Enrique, but having no specialist left backs is mismanagement at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Who the fuck are you like A used pinball dealer, an I'm sick of seeing your greasy fucked up mug jizzing all over ma shop windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Wacky then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusoda Kid 1 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Not me, I would have called you a cunt by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Wacky then Cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Bar kevin there's only a couple of people on here who talk about jizz and spunk with the enthusiastim of kevin and perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Didnt pardew say he was a bit surprised ( disappointed) that santon hadnt quite adapted to the PL level yet= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostile_statue 0 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Well, to adapt to the PL tempo he needs games, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Maybe's we should drop Ba aswell then for missing 2 sitters then? Ben Arfa is a much better player than Best but people were happy not to change drop Best cos he was doing pretty decent in an unbeaten team Seems people were waiting for R Taylor to make a mistake for them to champion Santon to replace him. He's surpassed all expectations that we had at the start of the season when we started him, give him some credit man he's been no means been sh*te for us this season and doesnt warrant getting dropped on one performance. Plus if we hadn't of fannied around for weeks getting a replacement for Enrique we could have had him starting at LB from the start of the season and that why he isn't in the team, because weve done well all season and the lack of decision making getting him in quick enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I haven't read this thread but I think Simpson is more inconsistent than R.Taylor and regularly performs poorer. Get Santon at right back and court Peiterson or Cissokho in summer for left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) We're not championing Ryan Taylor so much as we are instead pointing out how ridiculous it is to drop him after making 2 mistakes in favour of giving a player with pretty muh no PL experience a start against the champions. A player with a lot to prove, a player of clearly seriously strong potential, but also a player nowhere near the finished product who has stagnated significantly since the glory days of that Man Utd game and being called up by Italy. If he hadn't have made those mistakes, this thread wouldn't exist. Your man Santon might have made those mistakes and people would instead have been complaining about him being thrown in against the league leaders. Why does this bother you so much Ant? Can't you see where we're coming from? Edited November 21, 2011 by Tecato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I never voiced it I don't think but I've always been of the opinion that Raylor should be our RB ahead of Simpson. But then I was most pleased when we signed him because it meant he wouldn't score against us anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 Not sure I subscribe to the theory that Taylor is better than Simpson. Simpson didn't lose us the game on Saturday for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I look at Simpson as a guy who won't make massive mistakes that cost us games, but he is a player whose ability is sufficiently meagre to cost us games, iykwim? I look at R.Taylor as a player who will dive into tackles due to poor positioning, who will give the ball away needlessly and in so doing, cost us games. By that reasoning I'd rather Simpson be in the team as it's easier for the other 4 defensive players to cover Simpson's frailties, than it is for them to rescue R.Taylor's blunders. I'd probably have another look at the moods of Santon and R.Taylor as I think they're both confidence players and the mistakes against Citeh could have severely damaged R.Taylor's, but then again Santon may not look ready yet. In the future? I'd rather play Santon as he's got that intangible potential, whereas R.Taylor is as good as he's ever going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4857 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap. I dont think we'd suffer a great deal on the set pieces by not having him in if we've cabaye and Ben arfa playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 His set pieces aren't the best by a country mile like. Thats why Cabaye takes the corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 taylor offers more going forward through his delivery. he takes the best set piece by a mile too. simpson better defensively though - his pace gets him out of trouble more often but he's not the best on the overlap. I dont think we'd suffer a great deal on the set pieces by not having him in if we've cabaye and Ben arfa playing As I've said in the past, raylor is an accident waiting to happen in just about every game he plays. Poor defender with shocking positional sense. Just because he can deliver a free kick occasionally...and he can...that isn't enough to overcome his defensive inadequacy. He's lucky he has Jonas working his arse off around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Accident waiting to happen...until it happened vs city.... we would have lost that game 9 out of 10 anyways though, but a bit sad that we would probably have to slip on a banana vs some shite team due to him for santon to start.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I don't particularly rate him (and that's being kind) but he's done very well for the most part this season. I also think he's such a confidence player that if you were to drop him on the back of one poor game, especially with no tailor-made replacement waiting in the wings then I think you might as well give up on him for good and sell him in the next window. I don't see Santon as being the perfect replacement. He's new to this country etc. and doesn't even get a start for the Italian U21s so the reference to him as an Italian international doesn't quite tell it as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 You could have said the same about Enrique and Spain when he was here though. Only ever had 3 under 21 caps and he was immense during his last 12 months with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) His set pieces aren't the best by a country mile like. Thats why Cabaye takes the corners he's first in the queue for any free kicks in dangerous situations. he whips in almost all of our set pieces into the box better than anyone i've seen and he almost always gets it over the wall and tests the keeper with direct efforts - a v difficult thing to do consistently. don't know why he isn't on corners tbh. he hits the ball flatter and with more dip than cabaye going on what i've seen. cabaye's deliveries seem to have less pace on them. taylor's are a nightmare to defend. Edited November 22, 2011 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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