Gazza on tv

[Holden McGroin 6581]

What do people have against Piers Morgan ?

 

Is that a joke?

[Guest alex]

He's just misunderstood. A bit like Abu Hamza.

[Happy Face 29]

Heartbroken for the bloke when asked if he had a message for Cheryl and he said "can you lend us a fiver?"

 

So sad that the greatest player England ever produced is reduced to being made to cry by a slug after the X-Factor.

 

While Titus Bramble and Peter Crouch are richer than he ever was.

 

Only has himself to blame, but if only everyone around him wasn't just as thick as him. Choosing Spurs over Man u for the sake of a sunbed? Lordy.

[Gemmill 44805]

Aye, unfortunately his family and friends were all morons, and his "advisor" was a total scumbag. And he was endearingly stupid, but stupid all the same. Recipe for nothing much good.

[McFaul 35]

Totally agree with Alex. Back then Ferguson didn't really have the patience, as proven with McGrath, he would have got fed up with him and sold him.

 

Bryan Robson was rare in the fact he'd be able to constantly go out on the lash and for it not to have an impact on his performances.

I think the difference there with McGrath was he was a 30 year old man who was set in his ways, whereas Gazza was a 20 year old boy. Lets not forget Paul Ince was a little cunt when he signed him so was Keane, often in trouble off the pitch. He's always liked em young when he can make a difference. You're not going to change seasoned internationals like Strachan, McGrath and Bryan Robson from the drinking culture they'd been in to all their adult lives.

[McFaul 35]

Heartbroken for the bloke when asked if he had a message for Cheryl and he said "can you lend us a fiver?"

 

So sad that the greatest player England ever produced is reduced to being made to cry by a slug after the X-Factor.

 

While Titus Bramble and Peter Crouch are richer than he ever was.

 

Only has himself to blame, but if only everyone around him wasn't just as thick as him. Choosing Spurs over Man u for the sake of a sunbed? Lordy.

To be fair though Tottenham were new cash at the time. They had the share option and they were the club spending big money. Obviously then, they weren't a quarter the size of Man Utd or Liverpool, while we should've been bigger, their board was hugely ambitious at the time, and they signed Paul Stewart for more than we received for Gazza the same month (Man City must've been mint negotiators), so Gazza must've seen that and thought fuck it. To be fair on paper they were alright as well they had Waddle, a strong defence, and Lineker came the year after. It amazes me how many genuinely good players have played for a nothing club like Tottenham down the years.

[ewerk 30559]

Totally agree with Alex. Back then Ferguson didn't really have the patience, as proven with McGrath, he would have got fed up with him and sold him.

 

Bryan Robson was rare in the fact he'd be able to constantly go out on the lash and for it not to have an impact on his performances.

I think the difference there with McGrath was he was a 30 year old man who was set in his ways, whereas Gazza was a 20 year old boy. Lets not forget Paul Ince was a little cunt when he signed him so was Keane, often in trouble off the pitch. He's always liked em young when he can make a difference. You're not going to change seasoned internationals like Strachan, McGrath and Bryan Robson from the drinking culture they'd been in to all their adult lives.

 

I'm no Gazza expert but it seems to me like his problems go a lot deeper than alcoholism and Fergie giving him a kick up the arse wouldn't have sorted him out.

[Happy Face 29]

Heartbroken for the bloke when asked if he had a message for Cheryl and he said "can you lend us a fiver?"

 

So sad that the greatest player England ever produced is reduced to being made to cry by a slug after the X-Factor.

 

While Titus Bramble and Peter Crouch are richer than he ever was.

 

Only has himself to blame, but if only everyone around him wasn't just as thick as him. Choosing Spurs over Man u for the sake of a sunbed? Lordy.

To be fair though Tottenham were new cash at the time. They had the share option and they were the club spending big money. Obviously then, they weren't a quarter the size of Man Utd or Liverpool, while we should've been bigger, their board was hugely ambitious at the time, and they signed Paul Stewart for more than we received for Gazza the same month (Man City must've been mint negotiators), so Gazza must've seen that and thought fuck it. To be fair on paper they were alright as well they had Waddle, a strong defence, and Lineker came the year after. It amazes me how many genuinely good players have played for a nothing club like Tottenham down the years.

 

Aye, Gazza made the point himself that they finished above Man U, and you have to take every story Gazza tells with a pinch of salt, so it probably didn't rest upon a sunbed for his sister.

 

In hindsight though, could have been so different.

[McFaul 35]

Totally agree with Alex. Back then Ferguson didn't really have the patience, as proven with McGrath, he would have got fed up with him and sold him.

 

Bryan Robson was rare in the fact he'd be able to constantly go out on the lash and for it not to have an impact on his performances.

I think the difference there with McGrath was he was a 30 year old man who was set in his ways, whereas Gazza was a 20 year old boy. Lets not forget Paul Ince was a little cunt when he signed him so was Keane, often in trouble off the pitch. He's always liked em young when he can make a difference. You're not going to change seasoned internationals like Strachan, McGrath and Bryan Robson from the drinking culture they'd been in to all their adult lives.

 

I'm no Gazza expert but it seems to me like his problems go a lot deeper than alcoholism and Fergie giving him a kick up the arse wouldn't have sorted him out.

Fergie would've been perfect for Gazza. His problem was nothing to do with seeing his pal killed, he had a securish childhood at home, he had plenty siblings, my feeling is lack of discipline is and was his main problem in life. From 1986 to 1991, he never had any problems at all. Not one, because he was happy and he was playing absolutely brilliant football. Surely if his problems were that deep they would've surfaced then. Fergie would've had him from 1988, and without doubt in my mind would've moulded him as a man and a player.

[ewerk 30559]

Totally agree with Alex. Back then Ferguson didn't really have the patience, as proven with McGrath, he would have got fed up with him and sold him.

 

Bryan Robson was rare in the fact he'd be able to constantly go out on the lash and for it not to have an impact on his performances.

I think the difference there with McGrath was he was a 30 year old man who was set in his ways, whereas Gazza was a 20 year old boy. Lets not forget Paul Ince was a little cunt when he signed him so was Keane, often in trouble off the pitch. He's always liked em young when he can make a difference. You're not going to change seasoned internationals like Strachan, McGrath and Bryan Robson from the drinking culture they'd been in to all their adult lives.

 

I'm no Gazza expert but it seems to me like his problems go a lot deeper than alcoholism and Fergie giving him a kick up the arse wouldn't have sorted him out.

Fergie would've been perfect for Gazza. His problem was nothing to do with seeing his pal killed, he had a securish childhood at home, he had plenty siblings, my feeling is lack of discipline is and was his main problem in life. From 1986 to 1991, he never had any problems at all. Not one, because he was happy and he was playing absolutely brilliant football. Surely if his problems were that deep they would've surfaced then. Fergie would've had him from 1988, and without doubt in my mind would've moulded him as a man and a player.

 

The guy clearly isn't right in the head now and hasn't been for quite a while. It's a lot easier to hide the problems when things are going well and you're the nation's sweetheart. He's had OCD, gambling problems and drinking problems for most of his life.

 

I reckon Fergie would've gotten fed up with him after a while and shipped up out like he did with the others he couldn't control - McGrath, Whiteside, Sharpe etc.

[LeazesMag 0]

What do people have against Piers Morgan ?

 

Is that a joke?

 

unfortunately not.

 

Apart from being editor of the Daily Mirror once, and bickering with Joey Barton on tweeter, what's the problem with him ?

[ewerk 30559]

He hates British soldiers.

[LeazesMag 0]

He hates British soldiers.

 

Like the IRA ?

[ewerk 30559]

He hates British soldiers.

 

Like the IRA ?

 

Even more than the IRA. Did you not see his lack of poppy on Saturday night?

[Guest alex]

Morgan oozes smarm.

[LeazesMag 0]

He hates British soldiers.

 

Like the IRA ?

 

Even more than the IRA. Did you not see his lack of poppy on Saturday night?

 

he's sanctioned and murdered British Soldiers then ?

[ewerk 30559]

As good as, Leazes, as good as.

[McFaul 35]

Totally agree with Alex. Back then Ferguson didn't really have the patience, as proven with McGrath, he would have got fed up with him and sold him.

 

Bryan Robson was rare in the fact he'd be able to constantly go out on the lash and for it not to have an impact on his performances.

I think the difference there with McGrath was he was a 30 year old man who was set in his ways, whereas Gazza was a 20 year old boy. Lets not forget Paul Ince was a little cunt when he signed him so was Keane, often in trouble off the pitch. He's always liked em young when he can make a difference. You're not going to change seasoned internationals like Strachan, McGrath and Bryan Robson from the drinking culture they'd been in to all their adult lives.

 

I'm no Gazza expert but it seems to me like his problems go a lot deeper than alcoholism and Fergie giving him a kick up the arse wouldn't have sorted him out.

Fergie would've been perfect for Gazza. His problem was nothing to do with seeing his pal killed, he had a securish childhood at home, he had plenty siblings, my feeling is lack of discipline is and was his main problem in life. From 1986 to 1991, he never had any problems at all. Not one, because he was happy and he was playing absolutely brilliant football. Surely if his problems were that deep they would've surfaced then. Fergie would've had him from 1988, and without doubt in my mind would've moulded him as a man and a player.

 

The guy clearly isn't right in the head now and hasn't been for quite a while. It's a lot easier to hide the problems when things are going well and you're the nation's sweetheart. He's had OCD, gambling problems and drinking problems for most of his life.

 

I reckon Fergie would've gotten fed up with him after a while and shipped up out like he did with the others he couldn't control - McGrath, Whiteside, Sharpe etc.

He's always had OCD, lots of people have it. He never used to bet during his career, he'd drink while he played but he wasn't a huge drinker till he retired football. Fergie would've persevered with him the same way he did Cantona, for all the arsehole things Cantona did, he knew a heavy handed approach wouldn't have worked, and that's the beauty of Fergie, he knew what was needed individually to get the best out of specific players.

 

Why would Fergie have had a problem with him up till 1991. Terry Venables said he was a dream to manage, a committed player, and in those years he was rarely in trouble. The point you're making is completely invalid in my view as someone who's followed Gazza closely since I was 7 years of age.

Edited November 14, 2011 by McFaul

[ewerk 30559]

He's always had OCD, lots of people have it. He never used to bet during his career, he'd drink while he played but he wasn't a huge drinker till he retired football. Fergie would've persevered with him the same way he did Cantona, for all the arsehole things Cantona did, he knew a heavy handed approach wouldn't have worked, and that's the beauty of Fergie, he knew what was needed individually to get the best out of specific players.

 

Why would Fergie have had a problem with him up till 1991. Terry Venables said he was a dream to manage, a committed player, and in those years he was rarely in trouble. The point you're making is completely invalid in my view as someone who's followed Gazza closely since I was 7 years of age.

 

I'm fairly sure that you know much more about Gazza than I do so I'm not going to argue with you. Comparing him to Cantona is foolish though, they were completely different characters with different problems. From what I understand, Venables tolerated Gazza's indiscipline and imo that is what contributed to his problems worsening in later years.

[McFaul 35]

He's always had OCD, lots of people have it. He never used to bet during his career, he'd drink while he played but he wasn't a huge drinker till he retired football. Fergie would've persevered with him the same way he did Cantona, for all the arsehole things Cantona did, he knew a heavy handed approach wouldn't have worked, and that's the beauty of Fergie, he knew what was needed individually to get the best out of specific players.

 

Why would Fergie have had a problem with him up till 1991. Terry Venables said he was a dream to manage, a committed player, and in those years he was rarely in trouble. The point you're making is completely invalid in my view as someone who's followed Gazza closely since I was 7 years of age.

 

I'm fairly sure that you know much more about Gazza than I do so I'm not going to argue with you. Comparing him to Cantona is foolish though, they were completely different characters with different problems. From what I understand, Venables tolerated Gazza's indiscipline and imo that is what contributed to his problems worsening in later years.

How's it foolish when you concede they both had problems. Being a manager is being a problem solver. There's so many myths about Gazza it's untrue. Not one British manager had any major problem with him as a player. Be it McFaul, Venables, Taylor, SBR, Walter Smith or Bryan Robson. The only one who ever had any major problems with him was Dino Zoff and he had problems with every fucka him. He was regarded as a fantastic trainer, committed player, fantastic stamina, and a born winner. Things like what happened with Sheryl when he twatted her, were isolated incidents which hardly effected his football considering he won jock player of the year, and was along with Laudrup their best player of the 90's. They were few and far between anyway, so in a football sense, I don't see what he would've done in his core years that would've given Ferguson such a massive problem.

[Craig 6682]

His problem was nothing to do with seeing his pal killed

 

I don't agree with that like. He was 10 years old, it was a younger sibling of one of his mates and he was, at the time, supposed to be 'keeping an eye on him'. Without a doubt that guilt will have have stuck with him for years and will have played some part in his mental state.

[Craig 6682]

Totally agree with Alex. Back then Ferguson didn't really have the patience, as proven with McGrath, he would have got fed up with him and sold him.

 

Bryan Robson was rare in the fact he'd be able to constantly go out on the lash and for it not to have an impact on his performances.

I think the difference there with McGrath was he was a 30 year old man who was set in his ways, whereas Gazza was a 20 year old boy. Lets not forget Paul Ince was a little cunt when he signed him so was Keane, often in trouble off the pitch. He's always liked em young when he can make a difference. You're not going to change seasoned internationals like Strachan, McGrath and Bryan Robson from the drinking culture they'd been in to all their adult lives.

 

I'm no Gazza expert but it seems to me like his problems go a lot deeper than alcoholism and Fergie giving him a kick up the arse wouldn't have sorted him out.

Fergie would've been perfect for Gazza. His problem was nothing to do with seeing his pal killed, he had a securish childhood at home, he had plenty siblings, my feeling is lack of discipline is and was his main problem in life. From 1986 to 1991, he never had any problems at all. Not one, because he was happy and he was playing absolutely brilliant football. Surely if his problems were that deep they would've surfaced then. Fergie would've had him from 1988, and without doubt in my mind would've moulded him as a man and a player.

 

The guy clearly isn't right in the head now and hasn't been for quite a while. It's a lot easier to hide the problems when things are going well and you're the nation's sweetheart. He's had OCD, gambling problems and drinking problems for most of his life.

 

I reckon Fergie would've gotten fed up with him after a while and shipped up out like he did with the others he couldn't control - McGrath, Whiteside, Sharpe etc.

He's always had OCD, lots of people have it.

 

I'd suggest he has a degree of tourettes actually rather than OCD.

[McFaul 35]

Totally agree with Alex. Back then Ferguson didn't really have the patience, as proven with McGrath, he would have got fed up with him and sold him.

 

Bryan Robson was rare in the fact he'd be able to constantly go out on the lash and for it not to have an impact on his performances.

I think the difference there with McGrath was he was a 30 year old man who was set in his ways, whereas Gazza was a 20 year old boy. Lets not forget Paul Ince was a little cunt when he signed him so was Keane, often in trouble off the pitch. He's always liked em young when he can make a difference. You're not going to change seasoned internationals like Strachan, McGrath and Bryan Robson from the drinking culture they'd been in to all their adult lives.

 

I'm no Gazza expert but it seems to me like his problems go a lot deeper than alcoholism and Fergie giving him a kick up the arse wouldn't have sorted him out.

Fergie would've been perfect for Gazza. His problem was nothing to do with seeing his pal killed, he had a securish childhood at home, he had plenty siblings, my feeling is lack of discipline is and was his main problem in life. From 1986 to 1991, he never had any problems at all. Not one, because he was happy and he was playing absolutely brilliant football. Surely if his problems were that deep they would've surfaced then. Fergie would've had him from 1988, and without doubt in my mind would've moulded him as a man and a player.

 

The guy clearly isn't right in the head now and hasn't been for quite a while. It's a lot easier to hide the problems when things are going well and you're the nation's sweetheart. He's had OCD, gambling problems and drinking problems for most of his life.

 

I reckon Fergie would've gotten fed up with him after a while and shipped up out like he did with the others he couldn't control - McGrath, Whiteside, Sharpe etc.

He's always had OCD, lots of people have it.

 

I'd suggest he has a degree of tourettes actually rather than OCD.

Nar without doubt OCD. He used to drive back home 100 miles to put a towel in the right place, then fuck off out again, I don't think there's any doubt he has had OCD.

[McFaul 35]

His problem was nothing to do with seeing his pal killed

 

I don't agree with that like. He was 10 years old, it was a younger sibling of one of his mates and he was, at the time, supposed to be 'keeping an eye on him'. Without a doubt that guilt will have have stuck with him for years and will have played some part in his mental state.

My feeling is that the impact it had on his later life is overstated.

[Craig 6682]

Totally agree with Alex. Back then Ferguson didn't really have the patience, as proven with McGrath, he would have got fed up with him and sold him.

 

Bryan Robson was rare in the fact he'd be able to constantly go out on the lash and for it not to have an impact on his performances.

I think the difference there with McGrath was he was a 30 year old man who was set in his ways, whereas Gazza was a 20 year old boy. Lets not forget Paul Ince was a little cunt when he signed him so was Keane, often in trouble off the pitch. He's always liked em young when he can make a difference. You're not going to change seasoned internationals like Strachan, McGrath and Bryan Robson from the drinking culture they'd been in to all their adult lives.

 

I'm no Gazza expert but it seems to me like his problems go a lot deeper than alcoholism and Fergie giving him a kick up the arse wouldn't have sorted him out.

Fergie would've been perfect for Gazza. His problem was nothing to do with seeing his pal killed, he had a securish childhood at home, he had plenty siblings, my feeling is lack of discipline is and was his main problem in life. From 1986 to 1991, he never had any problems at all. Not one, because he was happy and he was playing absolutely brilliant football. Surely if his problems were that deep they would've surfaced then. Fergie would've had him from 1988, and without doubt in my mind would've moulded him as a man and a player.

 

The guy clearly isn't right in the head now and hasn't been for quite a while. It's a lot easier to hide the problems when things are going well and you're the nation's sweetheart. He's had OCD, gambling problems and drinking problems for most of his life.

 

I reckon Fergie would've gotten fed up with him after a while and shipped up out like he did with the others he couldn't control - McGrath, Whiteside, Sharpe etc.

He's always had OCD, lots of people have it.

 

I'd suggest he has a degree of tourettes actually rather than OCD.

Nar without doubt OCD. He used to drive back home 100 miles to put a towel in the right place, then fuck off out again, I don't think there's any doubt he has had OCD.

 

Probably both actually. I think it was 2J (might have been someone else - Alex? Manc-mag??) who pointed out that the bloke use to dribble with his arms. Nervous twitches all over the place and there were examples of it in front of the camera in the Morgan interview too.