England team banned from wearing a poppy!

[ewerk 31230]

I don't agree with what those people do, but we live in a liberal country and i'm proud that anyone can say or do whatever they like without being dropped in the English Channel, and that's why i'm proud of the troops that allow us to live freely. Not because i'm a jingoistic wanker going about singing Rule Britannia thinking we should colonise the world again

 

Rubbish.

Within reason, obviously. That goes without saying though doesn't it.

 

What is reason though? Quite rightly it is an offence to hold a placard saying 'Death to Muslims', however, I don't believe that it's an offence to hold a placard stating 'Death to British Soldiers'. There needs to be a balance.

 

Anyway, the country has gone protest mad, no need for half of them.

[CleeToonFan 1]

I don't agree with what those people do, but we live in a liberal country and i'm proud that anyone can say or do whatever they like without being dropped in the English Channel, and that's why i'm proud of the troops that allow us to live freely. Not because i'm a jingoistic wanker going about singing Rule Britannia thinking we should colonise the world again

 

Rubbish.

Within reason, obviously. That goes without saying though doesn't it.

 

What is reason though? Quite rightly it is an offence to hold a placard saying 'Death to Muslims', however, I don't believe that it's an offence to hold a placard stating 'Death to British Soldiers'. There needs to be a balance.

 

Anyway, the country has gone protest mad, no need for half of them.

As long as it's a peaceful protest i'm not too fussed. Thing is, if we just ignored those idiotic Muslims who do that sort of shit like burning poppies the situation would be a lot easier. Just turn our backs to them and don't cover them in the media etc. Same with those who say Death to Muslims, they want us to make a massive fuss of it, so we feed them by making a massive deal.

[LeazesMag 0]

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"OMG HE HAS A POINT AGENST DA ENGLISH BEIN TOTES AWESUM, WAT A PRIK:p" The sort of reaction the English exceptionalist, Daily Mail reading, patriotic whilst not being able to spell correctly wanker will give to this (decent) article. What a fucking embarrassment our countries becoming.

 

Aye, those arseholes who can't spell are an embarrassment.

 

maybe he's a Guardian reader ?

 

What an absolutely dump point. I read The Times the few amount of times I actually buy a paper (mostly use BBC News online/other online sources). No I'm not anti-British, no I'm not anti-soldiers, yes I'm a student, no I don't worship Che Guevara or any other shit student stereotypes. Now shut the fuck up and remember that on the 11th of November we remember the people that died in war (both for Britain and against Britain) and that they died to make our country free. Free for student types to read the Guardian, masturbate over Mike Ashley and think Freddy Shephard was a prick.

 

your post was hardly highly intelligent, and my reply was tongue in cheek, you daft shite.

 

Don't tell me to shut up re 11th November, I'm as aware of it and what it means, if not more so than most on here. Especially those who make excuses for people who demonstrate against Britain and our own security services on our own streets.

 

Not our fault you're the only one old enough to have fought in a world war is it?

 

it's not my fault that idiotic bairns like you know fuck all about anything either

[LeazesMag 0]

Got anymore Sweet David pics?

 

go back to cleaning your windows man

 

Will do Sweetcheeks

 

is that you

Do I get you hard, big boy?

 

oh dear. You're a funny guy.

[Gejon 2]

http://www.twohundre...nt.net/?p=16157

"OMG HE HAS A POINT AGENST DA ENGLISH BEIN TOTES AWESUM, WAT A PRIK:p" The sort of reaction the English exceptionalist, Daily Mail reading, patriotic whilst not being able to spell correctly wanker will give to this (decent) article. What a fucking embarrassment our countries becoming.

 

Aye, those arseholes who can't spell are an embarrassment.

 

maybe he's a Guardian reader ?

 

What an absolutely dump point. I read The Times the few amount of times I actually buy a paper (mostly use BBC News online/other online sources). No I'm not anti-British, no I'm not anti-soldiers, yes I'm a student, no I don't worship Che Guevara or any other shit student stereotypes. Now shut the fuck up and remember that on the 11th of November we remember the people that died in war (both for Britain and against Britain) and that they died to make our country free. Free for student types to read the Guardian, masturbate over Mike Ashley and think Freddy Shephard was a prick.

 

your post was hardly highly intelligent, and my reply was tongue in cheek, you daft shite.

 

Don't tell me to shut up re 11th November, I'm as aware of it and what it means, if not more so than most on here. Especially those who make excuses for people who demonstrate against Britain and our own security services on our own streets.

 

Not our fault you're the only one old enough to have fought in a world war is it?

 

it's not my fault that idiotic bairns like you know fuck all about anything either

 

I know sentences start with a capital letter and end with a full stop.

 

1-0.

[Guest CabayeAye]

On a seperate note, spare a thought for those families who are missing members at this time due to war. RIP.

[Barney 0]

What the fuck has that got to do with anything?

[Happy Face 29]

 

I turned on the television in my Damascus hotel room to witness a dreary sight: all the boys and girls of BBC World wearing their little poppies again.

 

Bright red they were, with that particularly silly green leaf out of the top – it was never part of the original Lady Haig appeal – and not one dared to appear on screen without it. Do these pathetic men and women know how they mock the dead? I trust that Jon Snow has maintained his dignity by not wearing it.

 

Now I've mentioned my Dad too many times in The Independent. He died almost 20 years ago so, after today, I think it's time he was allowed to rest in peace, and that readers should in future be spared his sometimes bald wisdom. This is the last time he will make an appearance. But he had strong views about wearing the poppy. He was a soldier of the Great War, Battle of Arras 1918 – often called the Third Battle of the Somme – and the liberation of Cambrai, along with many troops from Canada. The Kaiser Wilhelm's army had charitably set the whole place on fire and he was appalled by the scorched earth policy of the retreating Germans. But of course, year after year, he would go along to the local cenotaph in Birkenhead, and later in Maidstone, where I was born 28 years after the end of his Great War, and he always wore his huge black coat, his regimental tie – 12th Battalion, the King's Liverpool Regiment –and his poppy.

 

In those days, it was – I recall this accurately, I think – a darker red, blood-red rather than BBC-red, larger than the sorrow-lite version I see on the BBC and without that ridiculous leaf. So my Dad would stand and I would be next to him in my Yardley Court School blazer at 10 years old and later, aged 16, in my Sutton Valence School blazer, with my very own Lady Haig poppy, its long black wire snaking through the material, sprouting from my lapel.

 

My Dad gave me lots of books about the Great War, so I knew about the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand at Sarajevo before I went to school – and 47 years before I stood, amid real shellfire, in the real Sarajevo and put my feet on the very pavement footprints where Gavrilo Princip fired the fatal shots.

 

But as the years passed, old Bill Fisk became very ruminative about the Great War. He learned that Haig had lied, that he himself had fought for a world that betrayed him, that 20,000 British dead on the first day of the Somme – which he mercifully avoided because his first regiment, the Cheshires, sent him to Dublin and Cork to deal with another 1916 "problem" – was a trashing of human life. In hospital and recovering from cancer, I asked him once why the Great War was fought. "All I can tell you, fellah," he said, "was that it was a great waste." And he swept his hand from left to right. Then he stopped wearing his poppy. I asked him why, and he said that he didn't want to see "so many damn fools" wearing it – he was a provocative man and, sadly, I fell out with him in his old age. What he meant was that all kinds of people who had no idea of the suffering of the Great War – or the Second, for that matter – were now ostentatiously wearing a poppy for social or work-related reasons, to look patriotic and British when it suited them, to keep in with their friends and betters and employers. These people, he said to me once, had no idea what the trenches of France were like, what it felt like to have your friends die beside you and then to confront their brothers and wives and lovers and parents. At home, I still have a box of photographs of his mates, all of them killed in 1918.

 

So like my Dad, I stopped wearing the poppy on the week before Remembrance Day, 11 November, when on the 11th hour of the 11 month of 1918, the armistice ended the war called Great. I didn't feel I deserved to wear it and I didn't think it represented my thoughts. The original idea came, of course, from the Toronto military surgeon and poet John McCrae and was inspired by the death of his friend Lieutenant Alexis Helmer, killed on 3 May 1915. "In Flanders fields the poppies blow/Between the crosses, row on row." But it's a propaganda poem, urging readers to "take up the quarrel with the foe". Bill Fisk eventually understood this and turned against it. He was right.

 

I've had my share of wars, and often return to the ancient Western Front. Three years ago, I was honoured to be invited to give the annual Armistice Day Western Front memorial speech at the rebuilt Cloth Hall in Ypres. The ghost of my long-dead 2nd Lieutenant Dad was, of course, in the audience. I quoted all my favourite Great War writers, along with the last words of Nurse Edith Cavell, and received, shortly afterwards, a wonderful and eloquent letter from the daughter of that fine Great War soldier Edmund Blunden. (Read his Undertones of War, if you do nothing else in life.) But I didn't wear a poppy. And I declined to lay a wreath at the Menin Gate. This was something of which I was not worthy. Instead, while they played the last post, I looked at the gravestones on the city walls.

 

As a young boy, I also went to Ypres with my Dad, stayed at the "Old Tom Hotel" (it is still there, on the same side of the square as the Cloth Hall) and met many other "old soldiers", all now dead. I remember that they wanted to remember their dead comrades. But above all, they wanted an end to war. But now I see these pathetic creatures with their little sand-pit poppies – I notice that our masters in the House of Commons do the same – and I despise them. Heaven be thanked that the soldiers of the Great War cannot return today to discover how their sacrifice has been turned into a fashion appendage.

Edited November 13, 2011 by Happy Face