Newcastle United vs Everton match thread

[Happy Face 29]

Unbelievable how fucking shit Guthrie is and suddenly everyone is wanking over him.

 

Never good enough to sustain a place in the team, people have a short memory of how much he doesn't bring the team.

 

Remember when coloccini was shit?

 

Some players thrive on confidence. Guthrie's clearly not the man to pull the other 10 through a relegation battle, but as part of a team thriving on results he looks capable of filling the gap.

[ChezGiven 0]

Good point HF. He has got good pedigree having been through Man U's and Liverpool's youth set-ups. He is now 24 and to be honest, he has played as well as Cabaye in his last 2 games. Judging him on the last 2 performances, him and Tiote in the middle isn't going to worry me.

[Guest alex]

Tell you what ANS, how about quoting all the people 'creaming themselves' over Guthrie.

I thought, given the circumstances (their goal at the end of the 1st half, the midfield being decimated, the Stoke game only being Monday night etc.), it was an excellent 2nd half performance by us. Probably lucky not to give away a penalty but Everton were never able to put us under any sustanied pressure. It was great to see that we had the courage to try and play ourself out of trouble, even in injury time, rather than just humping it and conceding possession. Young Ameobi and HBA looked good when they came on too. Worked hard and provided an outlet.

Fucking magic stuff.

[Guest alex]

Unbelievable how fucking shit Guthrie is and suddenly everyone is wanking over him.

 

Never good enough to sustain a place in the team, people have a short memory of how much he doesn't bring the team.

 

Remember when coloccini was shit?

 

Some players thrive on confidence. Guthrie's clearly not the man to pull the other 10 through a relegation battle, but as part of a team thriving on results he looks capable of filling the gap.

Agree although someone like Best would probably be a better comparison.

[David Kelly 1245]

I'm no fan of Guthrie at all. I've said on many occasions that he's not up to premiership standard and tbh at this time I stand by that.

But I can't claim to be anything other than impressed with his last three games. He looks like a different player at the moment. He's showing a lot more quality than I've ever seen from him and he actually looks like he has an engine at last (actually the the fitness of all the players is staggering at the moment. Not sure where the credit for this lies, maybe Pardew or Stone?).

I'm not going to say that I think he should be considered for a starting place when Tiote and Caybaye are fit or even that I'm confident in him as cover yet. But if he can keep this up those times could eventually come. Put it this way, if he was a new signing and these had been his first three games then I probably would be getting carried away thinking Carr had come up trumps again.

[bobbyshinton 59]

If Guthrie's playing well, give him his chance. Obviously Tiote/Cabaye will be our 1st choice CM pair, but they aren't going to play every game. Having 3/4 good CMs is a very healthy position to be in.

 

Also if we were playing a poorer team where we were expecting to attack, I'd be tempted to play Guthrie over Tiote and save Tiote for the harder games where we'd need to protect our defence.

 

Some people have also forgetten how poor Raylor was before he re-invented himself this season.

[Park Life 71]

He looks chunkier, fitter and faster. There's no denying that.

[Happy Face 29]

Thought HBA did one gorgeous run with the ball past 3 opponents, but infuriated by his refusal to pass. Needs to watch Goal. He can't go faster than the ball.

[Guest alex]

I'm no fan of Guthrie at all. I've said on many occasions that he's not up to premiership standard and tbh at this time I stand by that.

But I can't claim to be anything other than impressed with his last three games. He looks like a different player at the moment. He's showing a lot more quality than I've ever seen from him and he actually looks like he has an engine at last (actually the the fitness of all the players is staggering at the moment. Not sure where the credit for this lies, maybe Pardew or Stone?).

I'm not going to say that I think he should be considered for a starting place when Tiote and Caybaye are fit or even that I'm confident in him as cover yet. But if he can keep this up those times could eventually come. Put it this way, if he was a new signing and these had been his first three games then I probably would be getting carried away thinking Carr had come up trumps again.

Must have gone up in your estimations as you're now bothering to spell his name correctly

[David Kelly 1245]

I'm usually so filled with anger towards him that spelling his name incorrectly is intentional

 

Whist I'm in this good mood towards Guthrie I will still add that I thought Best was fucking wank again yesterday. We couldn't get anything going attack wise in the second half with his constant inability to stay onside. Were it not fir Colo's immense performance at the back he could have cost us the points.

[ChezGiven 0]

I thought Ba was a bit rusty yesterday and that once Moyes brought on Distin, they coped much better with the long ball to Best and we struggled to build through Ba as his first touch let him down quite a bit.

 

I dont know whether it was because Everton were tiring but i thought that about 10 minutes after Ben Arfa came on, we eventually found a rhythm with the midfield we had, after so much obvious disruption. Just little signs at the end.

[Andrew 4758]

I think little niggles and the effects of working so hard against stoke slowed us down a little yesterday, you could see at times ba was getting frustrated with himself for not taking his touches well which is good, he knows he wasnt great yesterday

 

the international break has come at a potentially excellent time for us, couple of weeks for the injuries to calm down and for the tiredness to drop away (for those not playing for their countries at least)

 

they say it all the time though "the best sides win when they dont play well" which pretty much sums us up yesterday I reckon, if Man U had turned in that performance theyd have been gushing over it on MOTD saying that even on off days theyre good enough to grind out results against teams as good as everton, but when its us we've just not played anyone yet

Edited November 6, 2011 by Semimental

[Park Life 71]

I'm usually so filled with anger towards him that spelling his name incorrectly is intentional

 

Whist I'm in this good mood towards Guthrie I will still add that I thought Best was fucking wank again yesterday. We couldn't get anything going attack wise in the second half with his constant inability to stay onside. Were it not fir Colo's immense performance at the back he could have cost us the points.

 

He's lost that bit of sharpness he had in the first half a dozen games and his positioning seems off. There was that bit when Pards was telling Hba to wait five more mins....For what? The problem we have (and it's a good one) is that the two big lads upront thing has been working well with Ba intelligently rotating for deeper positions. It might be a good idea to let Hba in for the 3 'big games' and go a five man mf. Start with Ba and then let Best loose for the last 25min or visa versa.

 

Both ManC and Chelsea play through the middle. (Mancini so far has been bringing on a real winger late in the game). If we can crowd and harass Silva that is half the battle won. Tiote to trade with Yaya. I don't think we'll get the mauling people are expecting if we have our full strength mf out and we are as disciplined as we have been so far.

 

With ManU our 442 won't be so much of an issue as they tend to go wide at pace.

Edited November 6, 2011 by Park Life

[Kid Dynamite 7030]

Best is very important to our team at the minute. He does a lot of the donkey work up front and often gets the kickings that let Ba get the space to score his goals

[ChezGiven 0]

I'm usually so filled with anger towards him that spelling his name incorrectly is intentional

 

Whist I'm in this good mood towards Guthrie I will still add that I thought Best was fucking wank again yesterday. We couldn't get anything going attack wise in the second half with his constant inability to stay onside. Were it not fir Colo's immense performance at the back he could have cost us the points.

 

He's lost that bit of sharpness he had in the first half a dozen games and his positioning seems off. There was that bit when Pards was telling Hba to wait five more mins....For what? The problem we have (and it's a good one) is that the two big lads upront thing has been working well with Ba intelligently rotating for deeper positions. It might be a good idea to let Hba in for the 3 'big games' and go a five man mf. Start with Ba and then let Best loose for the last 25min or visa versa.

No Cabaye, Marveaux or Obertan for City so wonder if we will go 4-5-1. We could play 3 in the middle (Guthrie, Tiote, Jonas) and have Ben Arfa and Ba playing deep, whilst Best plays the lone striker. We'd probably get stuffed doing that at City but would be interesting to see.

[Park Life 71]

I'm usually so filled with anger towards him that spelling his name incorrectly is intentional

 

Whist I'm in this good mood towards Guthrie I will still add that I thought Best was fucking wank again yesterday. We couldn't get anything going attack wise in the second half with his constant inability to stay onside. Were it not fir Colo's immense performance at the back he could have cost us the points.

 

He's lost that bit of sharpness he had in the first half a dozen games and his positioning seems off. There was that bit when Pards was telling Hba to wait five more mins....For what? The problem we have (and it's a good one) is that the two big lads upront thing has been working well with Ba intelligently rotating for deeper positions. It might be a good idea to let Hba in for the 3 'big games' and go a five man mf. Start with Ba and then let Best loose for the last 25min or visa versa.

No Cabaye, Marveaux or Obertan for City so wonder if we will go 4-5-1. We could play 3 in the middle (Guthrie, Tiote, Jonas) and have Ben Arfa and Ba playing deep, whilst Best plays the lone striker. We'd probably get stuffed doing that at City but would be interesting to see.

 

We HAVE TO play a 5 man MF against City as their whole side sit in the midfield (even Kun) bar the striker. We'll so outnumbered with a 442 we'll take a real mauling IF we try it. Think Pards will be too clever for that.

 

Hba with license to join Ba when we have the ball in postive space.

 

 

..................Tiote................

 

Santon...Guthrie..Hba....Guti..

 

 

..................Ba......................

Edited November 6, 2011 by Park Life

[Kid Dynamite 7030]

I'm usually so filled with anger towards him that spelling his name incorrectly is intentional

 

Whist I'm in this good mood towards Guthrie I will still add that I thought Best was fucking wank again yesterday. We couldn't get anything going attack wise in the second half with his constant inability to stay onside. Were it not fir Colo's immense performance at the back he could have cost us the points.

 

He's lost that bit of sharpness he had in the first half a dozen games and his positioning seems off. There was that bit when Pards was telling Hba to wait five more mins....For what? The problem we have (and it's a good one) is that the two big lads upront thing has been working well with Ba intelligently rotating for deeper positions. It might be a good idea to let Hba in for the 3 'big games' and go a five man mf. Start with Ba and then let Best loose for the last 25min or visa versa.

No Cabaye, Marveaux or Obertan for City so wonder if we will go 4-5-1. We could play 3 in the middle (Guthrie, Tiote, Jonas) and have Ben Arfa and Ba playing deep, whilst Best plays the lone striker. We'd probably get stuffed doing that at City but would be interesting to see.

 

The first 2 could be fit yet

[Park Life 71]

QPR have shown that if you get the mind right and compete in key areas ManC can be stalled.

[ChezGiven 0]

I'm usually so filled with anger towards him that spelling his name incorrectly is intentional

 

Whist I'm in this good mood towards Guthrie I will still add that I thought Best was fucking wank again yesterday. We couldn't get anything going attack wise in the second half with his constant inability to stay onside. Were it not fir Colo's immense performance at the back he could have cost us the points.

 

He's lost that bit of sharpness he had in the first half a dozen games and his positioning seems off. There was that bit when Pards was telling Hba to wait five more mins....For what? The problem we have (and it's a good one) is that the two big lads upront thing has been working well with Ba intelligently rotating for deeper positions. It might be a good idea to let Hba in for the 3 'big games' and go a five man mf. Start with Ba and then let Best loose for the last 25min or visa versa.

No Cabaye, Marveaux or Obertan for City so wonder if we will go 4-5-1. We could play 3 in the middle (Guthrie, Tiote, Jonas) and have Ben Arfa and Ba playing deep, whilst Best plays the lone striker. We'd probably get stuffed doing that at City but would be interesting to see.

 

The first 2 could be fit yet

Pards said 'his guess' is that they will both miss the next game.

[duo 0]

Part of me wouldn't mind if Tiote and/or Cabaye are missing for the Manchester games. Helps keeps their prying eyes off the pair.

[toonotl 2980]

Groin injuries don't heal particularly quickly normally.

 

Marveaux's one looked a little bit worse so maybe a month for him and 2-3 weeks for Cabaye.

[manc-mag 1]

Chez testing the water with a "Pards", there.

[ChezGiven 0]

Chez testing the water with a "Pards", there.

Sat here wearing my 'Pardy time' t-shirt.

[Park Life 71]

There are two approaches to this.

 

All their dangerous moments start when Yaya or Barry cross the half way line carrying the ball. Dzeko moves wide to drop the defenders and then cycles back in after the first interchange between Barry/Yaya and Kun/Silva. If Ballotelli plays it is a little easier cause his movement is poor.

 

You either sit deep and and track the runs of Kun/Silva taking the risk of not losing them/tackling from the wrong side (it's always diagonal/reverse runs). Or

you press the ball higher up the park and go for Yaya/Barry before they release.

 

Mourinho would sit deep as would Rafa and allot players to pick up the diagonal runs of Silva and so on....

 

IF you press higher up the park you get two chances of reversing posession rather than one but it means playing one forward only as the 3rd mf is solely here to harass the beginning of every move.

 

Or just crock Silva early doors.

Edited November 6, 2011 by Park Life

[toonotl 2980]

You know as suicidal as a high press sounds at first I think its not a bad idea. Toure is a good passer and everyone in front of him is even better but the back four plus Barry are not that impressive. If we can attempt to win the ball early or at least force them to play a more direct style we may have a chance as apart from Dzeko they don't really have a target up the field. Also if we can win the ball high up the pitch we can break quickly and catch them out. That's perhaps a better option than sitting back and getting cut to pieces which will happen if we let them have the ball in their own half.