PaddockLad 17664 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Theyve had the odd tiff over the years, think Israel werent happy about a tiny bit of cosying up to the Palestinians in a US attempt to curry favour in the moslem world post 9-11, pre invasion. But chopping the 3 billion dollars a year in US aid to Israel would present a whole load of other questions as you say. Has Putin got that sort of ready and regular cash he can just divert into the Tel Aviv coffers?...especially if we put a squeeze of the fuckers finacially polluting CoL at the moment? Russia isnt that rich tbh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5301 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) You're not wrong there - but they seem rich enough to strike an oil deal with the Chinese that runs at a loss... that's purely geopolitical, there's no economic benefit to Russia for at least 10 years (and even then it's tiny). Billions of dollars have gone on that. Â I dunno, I just think Israel is well positioned to fend off the West on this one. You're probably right that the US can influence things though, and I suppose it's just a matter of how long the Americans wait before acting. If they leave it to late, Israel will have achieved everything they need to. Which, come to think of it, is probably the perfect time for a climb down; Israel can demonstrate is responds to the international community and the US can look like it did something... Edited July 28, 2014 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22176 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The US are the only ones that can broker a truce here. Obama is as guilty as the dickheads on both sides of the conflict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I don't think Obama can just stand up and say 'fuck this shit' and change things all by himself. There's an entire political machine to get past first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31216 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The Republicans are already calling for additional military aid to Israel in response to the current situation. For them to simply turn off the tap is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Aye Rayvin you dont seem to know just how strong a political lobby Israel has in the US. Think Parky posted an article about it somewhere above. Lets just say the chances of the US standing up to Israel are as much as Pardew telling Ashley to piss off with his policies and hand him a 100M kitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Just give the Palestinians Detroit. Â Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Just give the Palestinians Detroit. Â Sorted. I thought China had already called dibs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 Goes back far further than the creation of the Israeli state. Arabs and Jews have been fighting over the 'Holy land' for hundreds and hundreds of years the death toll likely runs to hundreds of thousands. Â Releigious crackpots shaking the tree and shooting at what comes of, both sides are as bad as the other. Â At this present time Israel (the Jewish Homeland) have the upper hand due to their backing from the West. If the US pulled its backing of Israel, this would happen the other way round and very quickly. Â Fucking ridiculous all ways round. Put the guns down, have a chat, look to the future and live in peace. There's no money in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 Israel's retaliation From my point of view what Hamas does is retaliation. Already tried explaining it. Cant really be helped if people still think Israel is somehow the victim here. Â Fish, why do the Israeli people allow their government to occupy and blockade land that doesnt belong to them knowing full well the effect its having on the Palestinians? I dont know what this line of reasoning is supposed to lead to. Its probably safe to say most people in the world have little say in what their governments do. Remember these are white people you're talking to who have already erased the fact they fucked up THE WHOLE PLANET and replaced it with game shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 Is there any record of that having happened previously though? I'd like to believe you're right mind you. Â The reason I'm primarily sceptical about the US standing up to them is that Israel has been courting Russia recently - there was some kind or large scale agreement over gas supply that raised US eyebrows a couple of years back. I don't think Israel is beyond playing up to Russia, who, as we all know, will welcome it. Â I suspect the US would be concerned about pushing Israel too hard. What if Russia stepped in with the finance instead? American politicians are bought and paid for by various pro-Israeli organisations like AIPAC. If they speak out against Israel they lose their money and have to go out and get a real job. Never gonna happen. Ever. The solution for this is only going to happen when there is a more moderate Israeli Govt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 I thought China had already called dibs? That's where the factories went anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 UN finally seems to be taking a bit of a stance. Apparently they warned Israel 17 times about the school shelter but it still got hit. Â Excuses are sounding sillier and sillier by the minute and you can see that the media houses traditionally protecting Israel are finding life a bit hard at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAustin 0 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Sadly Park Life, that is the fact of the matter, war makes money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22176 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 yesterday's pictures were some of the worst yet. netanyahu wants assassinating, as does the cretin leader of hamas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5301 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 UN finally seems to be taking a bit of a stance. Apparently they warned Israel 17 times about the school shelter but it still got hit. Â Excuses are sounding sillier and sillier by the minute and you can see that the media houses traditionally protecting Israel are finding life a bit hard at the minute. Â I was surprised by the strength of the UN language actually. "The world stands ashamed and disgusted". I'm not sure I've heard such strong rhetoric from them. Â Obviously justifiable rhetoric considering what Israel is doing... This does rather show how powerless the international community is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Palestinians have heard it all before. Nothing happens. UN will do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SteveAustin 0 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Watching the news last night, these tunnels Hamas have made, a feat of civil engineering, these boys are not fucking around in their ambition to bring Israel down. Â This has taken considerable time and effort and is well planned and executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Watching the news last night, these tunnels Hamas have made, a feat of civil engineering, these boys are not fucking around in their ambition to bring Israel down. Â This has taken considerable time and effort and is well planned and executed. When the surface is scanned by drones 24/7 it was the only logical thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAustin 0 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Logical? Â Antagonising your next door neighbour into bombing the fuck out of your family and friends, not sure logic comes into it. Â The fact that Israel have spent money on Drones to do this proves that the threat is there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Bloody hell Dont people read history anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Logical? Â Antagonising your next door neighbour into bombing the fuck out of your family and friends, not sure logic comes into it. Â The fact that Israel have spent money on Drones to do this proves that the threat is there in the first place. You know like how the North Vietnamese did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5301 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Parky, just to sate my curiosity - say Hamas got those tunnels to work. What would they do with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAustin 0 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 They did work, they used them to get under the fences and into Israeli territory and kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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