What if we actually won a trophy under FMA?

[sammynb 3342]

Recent discussions have set me to thinking about who and what we as Newcastle United fans actually support, is it the club or the team?

How is it possible to separate the the two?

And is it possible to separate the owner from the lot?

After another poster invited me to look through their posts I found the following:

 

They definitely have lied many times and acted in a cynical dishonest way many times more. There may be an element of cherry picking quotes to suit the argument with HF's blog but the underlying view is sound. Not sure where it leaves me though tbh.

 

Apple are a horrible corporation, rip off consumer services, cynical built-in obsolescence in their product cycles but i still buy their products. News International are cunts but i still buy The Sunday Times (a 5 euros a pop too). HF hates Ashley and his lies but is still one of the most passionate fans around.

 

We have a right to complain and a right to hate if we want but at the end of the day it doenst really change much. All that matters is the football. HF started this thread because the financial discussion was 'getting boring', i wonder if its just the dry nature of the discussion or because reality intervenes to make it so.

 

Either way, like i didnt give a shit about fake sheiks and geordie women are dogs many moons ago, if the club play better football next season, i will be happy. Its not really any more complicated than that.

 

This then started me thinking, is that all that matters? What happens on the pitch?

What if we were to actually win a trophy under Ashley?

Could/would you celebrate it with the same enthusiasm after all the liberties he's taken and his contempt for us?

Also knowing that the team that won the trophy is available to another club if the price is right, opposed to building upon a successful team?

Or that Ashley's PR machine would use it to beat any supporters that doubt him and celebrate fat Mike's greatness?

 

Personally I wouldn't buy an Apple product because I can't stand them, for both marketing and tech reasons but it's not as easy to separate the football club I support and have an emotional attachment to.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

Dont worry, we won`t.

[Happy Face 29]

I can love Britain and hate Cameron.

 

I can love my job and hate my boss.

 

It's rare to hear chants celebrating the chairman of any club. Part of the joy of the game is marvelling at their incompetence and how we as fans could do better. That ex-pro's biography with a chapter called "what the average chairman knows about football" followed by a bklank page. What we're experiencing with this owner is the norm, not the exception. They're bound to be unpopular if they make financially prudent decisions.

 

I'd celebrate a trophy like the birth of a child, and Ashley wouldn't sour the taste for me one bit.

[Guest alex]

Len Shackleton btw.

[Happy Face 29]

Len Shackleton btw.

 

Cheers. Never read it.

[McFaul 35]

If we won two CL's in a row I'd still hate him, and while I conceded "Pards" isn't doing a bad job, he'll always be a mug too regardless what he achieves, I with MF.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

I can love Britain and hate Cameron.

 

I can love my job and hate my boss.

 

It's rare to hear chants celebrating the chairman of any club. Part of the joy of the game is marvelling at their incompetence and how we as fans could do better. That ex-pro's biography with a chapter called "what the average chairman knows about football" followed by a bklank page. What we're experiencing with this owner is the norm, not the exception. They're bound to be unpopular if they make financially prudent decisions.

 

I'd celebrate a trophy like the birth of a child, and Ashley wouldn't sour the taste for me one bit.

 

Very, very well put.

[2bias 3]

I think most fans would celebrate like it's 1999

[Monroe Transfer 0]

I was partying for a week after we won the Intertoto.

[2bias 3]

I was partying for a week after we won the Intertoto.

I was when we won the Teresa Herrera Trophy.

[ewerk 30216]

If we win a trophy then it'll be in spite of the board rather than because of the board.

 

It won't matter a fuck to me who owns us at that point.

[Guest alex]

Len Shackleton btw.

 

Cheers. Never read it.

Me either, I've read the chapter you're on about though

[Howmanheyman 32706]

Players come and go as do managers, some will live in the memory and be cherished, others will fade into obscurity where they belong. Ashley will just hopefully end up a mysterious shit stain that appeared on your Y fronts as a kid where you had no idea how it got there and were embarrassed it was there until it went.

 

But the club?

 

Ingrained into my soul forever, the games from the past, real and proper 'I was there' moments, Forest and the pitch invasion for older Mags, Pompey and David Kelly for others and many more, too many to mention. Trips away with a support whose humour, patter and full on support were second to none. Memories never to be forgotten. NUFC represents a City with an identity that few other city's can get near in my humble opinion. This club of ours should represent that and it has.

 

Ashley is Gnats cock by comparison.

[Guest alex]

Maybe it's just me but whenever I see a thread like this on the eve of a cup game I expect us to get knocked out.

[Brock Manson 0]

You know we *did* win a trophy 2 seasons ago.

[sammynb 3342]

Maybe it's just me but whenever I see a thread like this on the eve of a cup game I expect us to get knocked out.

 

You had to expose my evil plan, thanks Alex.

 

And yeah, thanks for that Brockles.

[ChezGiven 0]

If we win a trophy then it'll be in spite of the board rather than because of the board.

I feel that way but does that actually make any sense whatsoever if the players and manager that acheived it were appointed under the board?

 

Genuine question.

 

Btw has Sammy been up all night trawling my posts for a hint of pro-Ashley discussion and this is the best he could come up with?

[ewerk 30216]

If we win a trophy then it'll be in spite of the board rather than because of the board.

I feel that way but does that actually make any sense whatsoever if the players and manager that acheived it were appointed under the board?

 

Genuine question.

 

 

I did question it myself before posting and decided that yes, it does make sense.

 

Ashley appears to have very limited football knowledge and has offered Pardew very little support in putting together a team capable of winning anything. Should we manage to get some silverware then the praise should be reserved for the manager and players who did it under such circumstances.

 

He appointed Pardew for all the wrong reasons so gets no credit for that. Whoever appointed Graham Carr looks like they made the right decision, however, I'm guessing that the recommendation for his appointment came from somewhere else within the club.

Edited September 20, 2011 by ewerk

[sammynb 3342]

If we win a trophy then it'll be in spite of the board rather than because of the board.

I feel that way but does that actually make any sense whatsoever if the players and manager that acheived it were appointed under the board?

 

Genuine question.

 

Btw has Sammy been up all night trawling my posts for a hint of pro-Ashley discussion and this is the best he could come up with?

 

No I haven't Chez, I read three or four and realised that maybe I need to understand where you are coming from, hence the post.

I didn't name you and I quoted the post in it's entirety so there was no question of trying to make something out of it than what was written.

AlsoI haven't resorted to calling people retards or morons but if you want to make a big deal out of it all, please go ahead.

[Guest alex]

I honestly don't think this is something we'll need to worry about btw.

[sammynb 3342]

Ashley appears to have very limited football knowledge and has offered Pardew very little support in putting together a team capable of winning anything. Should we manage to get some silverware then the praise should be reserved for the manager and players who did it under such circumstances.

 

He appointed Pardew for all the wrong reasons so gets no credit for that. Whoever appointed Graham Carr looks like they made the right decision, however, I'm guessing that the recommendation for his appointment came from somewhere else within the club.

 

But you just know the club's PR would be centered around Ashley's footballing model and how great he is to/for the Geordie public for bringing success to NUFC.

[ewerk 30216]

Ashley appears to have very limited football knowledge and has offered Pardew very little support in putting together a team capable of winning anything. Should we manage to get some silverware then the praise should be reserved for the manager and players who did it under such circumstances.

 

He appointed Pardew for all the wrong reasons so gets no credit for that. Whoever appointed Graham Carr looks like they made the right decision, however, I'm guessing that the recommendation for his appointment came from somewhere else within the club.

 

But you just know the club's PR would be centered around Ashley's footballing model and how great he is to/for the Geordie public for bringing success to NUFC.

 

They can say what the fuck they want as long as we have a trophy to show for it.

[Happy Face 29]

We might have a chance at the league cup or FA cup. When you think Portsmouth, Boro, Birmingham and Blackburn have won those in the last decade it's hardly a ringing endorsement of competent leadership like.

[ChezGiven 0]

If we win a trophy then it'll be in spite of the board rather than because of the board.

I feel that way but does that actually make any sense whatsoever if the players and manager that acheived it were appointed under the board?

 

Genuine question.

 

Btw has Sammy been up all night trawling my posts for a hint of pro-Ashley discussion and this is the best he could come up with?

 

No I haven't Chez, I read three or four and realised that maybe I need to understand where you are coming from, hence the post.

I didn't name you and I quoted the post in it's entirety so there was no question of trying to make something out of it than what was written.

AlsoI haven't resorted to calling people retards or morons but if you want to make a big deal out of it all, please go ahead.

Just ask as its straighforward. Here are 3 perspectives, although i could give you more.

 

1. Dont hate the club for the wrong reasons, dont be frustrated at decisions by judging them unrealistically, be clear about events, dont invent narratives around those events to justify hatred and frustration borne out of the first 2 points. Not saying thats what happens all the time but e.g. if you argue Nolan was sold because of the underlying strategy of Ashley to make 'profits' on player sales, i will argue against that.

 

2. I dont care about Ashley, all i care about is NUFC. Doesnt mean i dont think he is a fucking clown.

 

3. This summer has seen us bring in Cabaye, Marveaux, Obertan, Abeid, Ba. With Tiote and Ben Arfa, thats at least 7 francophone players in the squad. With a french wife and daughter and many french fans as friends, i'm rooting for them to be successful (see 2). Its totally mint for me but completely understand that leaving most people cold.