Happy Face 29 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07bgnkn Anyone who can watch the last 20 minutes without welling up several times is a double hard bastard. I was in bits. Respect for supporters, their families, Scraton and even some of the bobbies grows throughout. Many amazing people I can't imagine having the patience, tenacity and dedication to emulate. In contrast, those on the opposing side of truth leave you horrified by their indifference, which continues as they refuse to apologise. Utter contempt for the absolute vermin that killed 96, destroyed the lives of hundreds, and institutionalised injustice throughout organisations that are supposed to serve millions of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Ashamed to say I'd never seen the footage of Burnham making a speech to 30,000 Liverpool fans at the memorial. The first MP to show up at anything like that... and he got given an idea of the ill-feeling towards successive governments. really powerful stuff.... Genuinely seemed to move him to action. Credit to him for pushing the panel that led to the recent result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpirlo68 0 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Ashamed to say I'd never seen the footage of Burnham making a speech to 30,000 Liverpool fans at the memorial. The first MP to show up at anything like that... and he got given an idea of the ill-feeling towards successive governments. really powerful stuff.... Genuinely seemed to move him to action. Credit to him for pushing the panel that led to the recent result. Can't imagine what those families have had to go through for 27 years.He played a big part in the 2010 Hillsborough panel that led to the truth What I found moving was the word that was used by the fans that was their that day 'exonerated', that not only had they had to experience the disaster and seeing people dieing but it's taken them 27 years to clear there own name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Watched the hillsborough doc last night. A superb piece of filmmaking, made even more powerful by letting the talking heads drive the narrative instead of using a voiceover. Harrowing to watch at times but underscored just how widespread the institutional corruption was in the coverup from the heads of South Yorkshire police to the coroner - what a cunt of a man he was. Blair and Straw are just as guilty as Thatcher for denying justice for so long. Establishment wankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The coroner does seem to have had an easy ride since the verdict - testing 10 year Olds blood for alcohol being among his worst crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 yeah, he was in on it for sure. and only allowing evidence from up till 3.15. like people who dies after that time didn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07bgnkn Anyone who can watch the last 20 minutes without welling up several times is a double hard bastard. I was in bits. Respect for supporters, their families, Scraton and even some of the bobbies grows throughout. Many amazing people I can't imagine having the patience, tenacity and dedication to emulate. In contrast, those on the opposing side of truth leave you horrified by their indifference, which continues as they refuse to apologise. Utter contempt for the absolute vermin that killed 96, destroyed the lives of hundreds, and institutionalised injustice throughout organisations that are supposed to serve millions of us. I'm watching it this evening while my missus is out - she won't watch anything on this any more ever since she saw footage of her mate being carried across the pitch on an advertising hoarding, his arms flailing down and a towel wrapped tightly around his face. I feel for the families - they've spend so long fighting this that it's become their life mission. Some of them really won't know what to do with their time because this struggle has been all consuming. Some of them haven't properly grieved yet all these years on. As for SYP, the least said the better. Clearly they're as corrupt today as they were 27 years ago. Whole force needs disbanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 The coroner does seem to have had an easy ride since the verdict - testing 10 year Olds blood for alcohol being among his worst crimes. The original coroner? Stefan Popper died in March this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 The original coroner? Stefan Popper died in March this year. There are a few guilty parties who've "escaped" by death but that shouldn't stop their failings being noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 There are a few guilty parties who've "escaped" by death but that shouldn't stop their failings being noted. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17124 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) Duckinfield not guilty of gross negligence manslaughter. He tokd the first lie, that the fans had forced their way into the ground by breaking down the exit gate into the leppings lane end. The judge in his summing up said that this established fact wasn't proof of guilt. The jury though found that he wasn't alone in being guilty of the offence and believed the defence case that Duckinfield alone shouldn't be singled out for prosecution. Someone a lot cleverer than me is going to have to explain this particular parcel of fuckin shit. Edited November 28, 2019 by PaddockLad 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 British law at its best - completely blank slate allowing all the old lies to be used again by his defence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42129 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Shaky Hand Gang don’t convict their own, do they? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9146 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 fucking scandalous. tragically though not unsurprising giving the justice system in this country is on its fucking knees and is going to get worse. gutted for the families. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34912 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 What an absolute disgrace 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13837 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Shaky Hand Gang don’t convict their own, do they? My first thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17124 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 This lad's book on the disaster is harrowing & brilliant; "and the sun shines now" 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17124 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, NJS said: British law at its best - completely blank slate allowing all the old lies to be used again by his defence. Spot on Here they were in the hands of the legal establishment, watching a stripped-down framing of another new set of truths, as if nothing had ever been decided or admitted before, in 30 years. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left-hillsborough-families-distraught-again 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9146 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 12 hours ago, PaddockLad said: Spot on Here they were in the hands of the legal establishment, watching a stripped-down framing of another new set of truths, as if nothing had ever been decided or admitted before, in 30 years. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/28/how-david-duckenfield-trial-left-hillsborough-families-distraught-again mind blowing article, or it would be if you weren't aware of the absolute contempt the police had for football supporters during that era. not much, if anything, has changed. duckenfield is suffering from ptsd? is he fuck, he suffers from a complete lack of compasion or remorse and has done for 30 years. he's a fucking lamentable, lying criminal. nothing else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17124 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: mind blowing article, or it would be if you weren't aware of the absolute contempt the police had for football supporters during that era. not much, if anything, has changed. duckenfield is suffering from ptsd? is he fuck, he suffers from a complete lack of compasion or remorse and has done for 30 years. he's a fucking lamentable, lying criminal. nothing else. After the second inquest found all 96 fans were unlawfully killed I think there was a collective decision made that that was all the "justice" the families were going to get 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2204 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Disgusting. Terrible for the families that they will never get justice for what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugly Mackems 133 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Maybe the prosecution going forward should be against the relevant police force charged with policing Hillsborough (SYP no doubt) rather than an individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9737 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Ugly Mackems said: Maybe the prosecution going forward should be against the relevant police force charged with policing Hillsborough (SYP no doubt) rather than an individual. Albeit knowing some stuff, I am no expert in English criminal law, but the corporate manslaughter act dates from 2007. would it even be possible to charge non individual entities for a failing in 1989? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 96 football fans lose their lives 30 years ago and the only person convicted so far is a Sheff Wed official who received a fine. Our justice system would have tagged Hitler . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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