NJS 4375 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I'm not sure I'd go that far. I'm by no way condoning football hooliganism and there was some pretty dreadful goings on in the 80s. But the purpose of the fences was misjudged by the authorities - the intention was crowd containment, not crowd safety. People trying to escape pens were automatically adjudged to be in the wrong - how shameful of the authorities that this became the vanilla reaction and the events of 15.04.89 took far too long for them to realise a tragedy was occurring. See spurs in the cup as the perfect example where fans escaping a crush were truncheoned. One of the worst things about Hillsborough for me was watching fans running across the pitch with people on "stretchers" having to pass a line of coppers on the halfway line obviously with one eye on expecting bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpirlo68 0 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Nobody's mentioned Jack Straw who promised a public inquiry but bottled it for fear of upsetting the police federation. 'why bother doing it' was Blairs response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I don't disagree with any of that, fences were a law and order device rather than a health and safety one. Their use tarred all football supporters as violent and penned them in pre-emptively regardless. But however wrong that was, it was easily justified on the back of the actions of the violent minority. Yeah I can't disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 One of the worst things about Hillsborough for me was watching fans running across the pitch with people on "stretchers" having to pass a line of coppers on the halfway line obviously with one eye on expecting bother. Amen. Many of the police stood by and watched as the fans - some of them injured themselves, carried the dead and critically injured away from the terraces out of the glare of the public. Heroes every single one of them. BTW - someone in the office today dared suggest that, despite the findings, the fans weren't blameless and that it was 'typical of Liverpool fans'. The ignorance of some I find absolutely baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 See spurs in the cup as the perfect example where fans escaping a crush were truncheoned. My lass lost one of her best mates there. He'd gone there with another mate who came back to Liverpool that night alone, with a smashed nose. The result of a truncheon blow trying to push him back into the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I've seen that image before Stevie and I know that all those within it survived the disaster. Agree that it may seem tasteless today but on reflection, it's images like that which made the world realise that the fans weren't the problem that day and farted in the face of The Sun's, the FA's and Bernard Ingham's angle. Hard hitting, but extremely powerful. It's 27 years ago, I don't think anyone can seriously defend that picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Aye, there's no need to show it today - we all know what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Is Graham Kelly still alive? He must be as arse-twitchy as hell today..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 That New Yorker article was from 2011. I imagine they use a program to scrape news sites for terms and auto generate tweets from their archive that are relevant to current news. They've deleted it now. Would be totally incongruous for someone to read today's news and think that the article retained any relevance whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17151 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 70 years old according to wiki....Peter Wright, the chief constable of SYP at the time is broon breed, he died in 2011. David Conn's piece today... http://gu.com/p/4ht3n?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17151 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 That New Yorker article was from 2011. I imagine they use a program to scrape news sites for terms and auto generate tweets from their archive that are relevant to current news. They've deleted it now. Would be totally incongruous for someone to read today's news and think that the article retained any relevance whatsoever. I take it there's been something disgusting on Twitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Hog 516 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 http://www.channel4.com/news/kelvin-mackenzie-doorstepped-by-channel-4-news If he hadn't spent a great deal of his life being a cunt I'd almost feel sorry for him after hearing him pleading at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I take it there's been something disgusting on Twitter? A link to this misguided article http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/02/07/crush-point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 A few years ago I read that the info on the front page had come from a police spokesman.I don't suppose for one minute the police will be able to identify the spokesman or the source of the info.Has anyone heard of an increase in dementia sufferers in South Yorkshire since the verdicts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 A link to this misguided articlehttp://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/02/07/crush-point Looking at that photo it's very hard to concentrate and think what they must have been going through as the life of possibly some of them was being squeezed out of them.Helpless,absolutely helpless,.RIP to the 96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15466 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Front page of tomorrow's Sun: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Massive misjudgment by the Sun once again. The people of Liverpool are going absolutely mental! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30394 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Yeah. Their sales on Merseyside are really going to drop off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30394 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Looks like The Times realised their mistake in time for the second edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The Sun are using the line that the lies were police driven which is absolutely true but doesn't excuse the relish they were printed with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Nice to see the Sun don't just bash Corbyn though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Yeah. Their sales on Merseyside are really going to drop off now. Aye from 1 to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36154201 I might be jumping to conclusions, but have they suspended him because he offered an 'unreserved apology'?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 You don't want people coming out with stuff like that when you're facing prosecutions on the scale that the Met seem to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 You don't want people coming out with stuff like that when you're facing prosecutions on the scale that the Met seem to be... And by taking that stance, they're eroding the transparency that society demands on the back of the very situation he's apologising for. Makes an absolute mockery of the system. "Can't have 'one of our own' criticising and accepting responsibility on behalf of 'one of our own'" - Why the hell not? Saving their skins on from a prosecution POV is a bit late in the day... 27 years too late tbh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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