Barney 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Good assist for the goal on Sunday. Very clever cushioned pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostile_statue 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Raylor has one hell of a right foot. Really useful as an alternative when starting our attacks with his ability to pick out a long pass. Also really useful at set plays of course. His right foot is his one and only strength, though. He's a bit like a right-footed version of Ian Harte when he played for Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I used to think Raylor would be the no-brainer in terms of who would have to go of the two, but now Im actually veering towards simpson. Raylors right foot is a genuine contribution, whereas i struggle to see excactly what Simpson does that would make him the preferred choice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 If I was Pardew I'd definitely be thinking about bringing Marveaux, Ben Arfa and Santon in against Wigan and dropping Simpson and having Santon/Marveaux on the left with Jonas and Taylor on the right giving us a bit more balance to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I still don't think Pardew will change a winning/unbeaten team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I see Obertan as more of an impact sub ATM. I think Marv would be a better starter with Barfa in the middle and Jonas on the left. Best would have to make way for me like, no offence to him and I think it's healthy to have players as good as Best on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? He runs at defenders? Similar to Routledge. You don't always need end product when you play in his position. Edited October 18, 2011 by Tecato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? He runs at defenders? Similar to Routledge. You don't always need end product when you play in his position. Good to know that you don't see the need for end product. Because he doesn't have any. I'd have thought an "impact sub" would, as the term suggests, actually do something other than run around aimlessly. No end product necessary, eh? Routledge didn't have any either, thats why he was on his bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? He runs at defenders? Similar to Routledge. You don't always need end product when you play in his position. End product is overrated tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Obertan's main problem is that there is literally nothing else to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? He runs at defenders? Similar to Routledge. You don't always need end product when you play in his position. End product is overrated tbh. Having no end product hasn't done Jonas any harm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7297 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? He runs at defenders? Similar to Routledge. You don't always need end product when you play in his position. End product is overrated tbh. Having no end product hasn't done Jonas any harm! Probably could have chosen a better time to come out with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? He runs at defenders? Similar to Routledge. You don't always need end product when you play in his position. End product is overrated tbh. Having no end product hasn't done Jonas any harm! Probably could have chosen a better time to come out with that. It's a joke man, I think Jonas is a good player, but you can't argue that he is an immense crosser and shooter. He sort of humps the ball into the box rather than putting the ball onto people's heids Milner style and his shooting varies from inspired to fucking woeful. Great dribbler though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10858 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Obertan's main problem is that there is literally nothing else to complain about. I bet if Ryan Taylor was found out against Bale we'd bang on about that, but you want the team to be perfect. So the weakest link will always be isolated. Currently Obertan is the weakest link (if only until Ryan Taylor cocks up again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4771 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? He runs at defenders? Similar to Routledge. You don't always need end product when you play in his position. End product is overrated tbh. Having no end product hasn't done Jonas any harm! Probably could have chosen a better time to come out with that. It's a joke man, I think Jonas is a good player, but you can't argue that he is an immense crosser and shooter. He sort of humps the ball into the box rather than putting the ball onto people's heids Milner style and his shooting varies from inspired to fucking woeful. Great dribbler though. Milner style? Milner was (and still is when he actually plays out wide) one of the most inconsistent crossers in the league when he was playing for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Obertan's main problem is that there is literally nothing else to complain about. I bet if Ryan Taylor was found out against Bale we'd bang on about that, but you want the team to be perfect. So the weakest link will always be isolated. Currently Obertan is the weakest link (if only until Ryan Taylor cocks up again) He's not like.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Obertan's main problem is that there is literally nothing else to complain about. I bet if Ryan Taylor was found out against Bale we'd bang on about that, but you want the team to be perfect. So the weakest link will always be isolated. Currently Obertan is the weakest link (if only until Ryan Taylor cocks up again) TBF, Danny Simpson has played shite every game this season. He is yet to make an actual tackle or pass the ball forwards. Even his goal against Forest was a wildly miss-hit cross! Which is a shame, becasue I thought he was class last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) What has obertan done so far to give anybody the impression he'd be an impact sub? He runs at defenders? Similar to Routledge. You don't always need end product when you play in his position. End product is overrated tbh. Having no end product hasn't done Jonas any harm! Probably could have chosen a better time to come out with that. It's a joke man, I think Jonas is a good player, but you can't argue that he is an immense crosser and shooter. He sort of humps the ball into the box rather than putting the ball onto people's heids Milner style and his shooting varies from inspired to fucking woeful. Great dribbler though. Milner style? Milner was (and still is when he actually plays out wide) one of the most inconsistent crossers in the league when he was playing for us I always thought Milner's crossing was class. Edited October 18, 2011 by CabayeAye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Obertan's main problem is that there is literally nothing else to complain about. I bet if Ryan Taylor was found out against Bale we'd bang on about that, but you want the team to be perfect. So the weakest link will always be isolated. Currently Obertan is the weakest link (if only until Ryan Taylor cocks up again) Simpson is the weakest link, our right hand side is definitely the most in need of work though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4771 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Obertan's main problem is that there is literally nothing else to complain about. I bet if Ryan Taylor was found out against Bale we'd bang on about that, but you want the team to be perfect. So the weakest link will always be isolated. Currently Obertan is the weakest link (if only until Ryan Taylor cocks up again) He's not like.... its hard to criticise any of our defenders at present though since we're simply conceding so few goals whereas on the creative side Obertans non-performances have led to a lot of missed opportunities when we've been on the attack, getting really sick of him running, stopping then trying to set off again or passing backwards rather than actually getting to the byline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10858 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Think it's harsh to say he's played shite every game. He's been average, because he's an average defender. I'd rather drop Ryan Taylor (despite his decent performances) when Santon is ready for the 1st team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Not necessarily criticising him to say he's the weakest link. The defence is as well martialed as any I can remember for us, but Wilson is by some distance the worst footballer on the park. Obertan is not quite doing his job yet in a new team but shows great skill and technique, maybe decision making can be coached. Wilson is doing okay in a well drilled defensive team he's been in for some time, and constantly hoofs it upfield when a better footballer would look to retain possession for the team. Edited October 18, 2011 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10858 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'm surprised that the consensus is Simpson is a worse footballer than R.Taylor. I just don't see him as positionally naive as Ryan Taylor and while Simpson isn't a great right back, he's better than our other options imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 That weak as piss cross when Ben Arfa set him up with Ameobi waiting, he basically couldnt have passed it to Friedel any more safely. It was shite but its possible thats him getting the jitters in his feet. Wasnt Simpson overlapping when he shot wide too? He's had a few of those sort of shots and hasnt looked remotely like scoring. I'm sure Pardew is encouraging both wide lads to get some shots in but he needs to show he can beat a full back first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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