And you think your club has a shit chairman

[McFaul 35]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

[DEADMAN 0]

i think its going to be a struggle for everton this year its going to be a dog fight at the bottom

[Pacinofan 0]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

Edited August 22, 2011 by Pacinofan

[JawD 99]

You can get a lot of it here

 

Depressingly it shows NUFC having a t/o of approx £125M and over the last 5 years is slipping under £90M and off the table. At the point we were at £125M it does show Everton around £40M behind. I'd guess that gap is closer now and if I could be arsed, could likely find their figures for the last 5 as well. But I cant.

[Pacinofan 0]

Thanks JawD.

[McFaul 35]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

I'll get him to post his thoughts on here if you like. I don't what I would have to gain in saying that.

 

I haven't worn a replica top since I was about 16, but every time I've been to Anfield which is a lot, you see lots of replica shirts being worn by all ages.

 

Anyway

 

I was wrong our turnover must've been more than £40m more than Everton's at one point, pretty shite source this granted but it's also a true one, and if you look you'll find an official link somewhere anyway. In fact I can't even remember Everton ever being in the richlist. We were even in it in our relegation season, all I was doing was highlighting the commercial and financial difference in size between Newcastle United and Everton.

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127167

 

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

 

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

 

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

 

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

 

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

 

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

 

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

 

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

 

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

 

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

 

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

 

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

 

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

 

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

 

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

 

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

 

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

 

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

 

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

 

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

[McFaul 35]

Mad looking at that now that just 8 years ago clubs like Roma, Newcastle and Liverpool were wealthier on paper than Barcelona.

[Pacinofan 0]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

I'll get him to post his thoughts on here if you like. I don't what I would have to gain in saying that.- What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

I haven't worn a replica top since I was about 16, but every time I've been to Anfield which is a lot, you see lots of replica shirts being worn by all ages. - What has whether YOU wear a replica shirt got to do with anything? I said, other than at the match, Scouse adults don't wear replica shirts much.

 

Anyway

 

I was wrong our turnover must've been more than £40m more than Everton's at one point, pretty shite source this granted but it's also a true one, and if you look you'll find an official link somewhere anyway. In fact I can't even remember Everton ever being in the richlist. We were even in it in our relegation season, all I was doing was highlighting the commercial and financial difference in size between Newcastle United and Everton.

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127167

 

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

 

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

 

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

 

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

 

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

 

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

 

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

 

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

 

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

 

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

 

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

 

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

 

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

 

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

 

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

 

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

 

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

 

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

 

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

 

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

 

 

I was hoping for the 15 years you talked about.

[Craig 6670]

A massive issue for them has been the stadium situation. They've pissed around so much about it that they've stagnated when others have moved forward. Stevie, in that sense, is right that they're big victims of the modernisation of the game.

 

Look at all the teams around them who have remained in their existing stadia - Liverpool, Newcastle, Man Utd, Spurs, Villa - all have invested heavily in development but importantly ensured there were new executive boxes they could flog to the corporates. Everton seem to do what they had to do to satisfy the Taylor report and no more. Shame like because architectually it's one of the best grounds in the country but they've done bugger all to compliment what Archibald Leitch designed in recent years. Unlike the others, they've declined to use any money and resources on what they already have instead preferring to concentrate on pipe dreams such as King's Dock and Tesco's car park at Kirby.

 

Speak with many Evertonians and they're still bitter they were not able to participate in the European Cup when they were at their peak in the 80s thanks to Heysel which they obviously point the finger at their near neighbours for. They may have a point - with success in the European Cup they may have been able to build a brand that is marketable worldwide. Instead they're Liverpool's lesser known locals who had a small period when they were good.

 

I also agree with what Hansen was saying on MOTD on Saturday. Everton have got a bloody good manager, pound for pound one of the best around. Largely because of him they've massively over-performed year upon year and in finishing 6th-10th, have punched well above their weight. Naturally their fans have come to expect this as the standard and that they should be pushing onwards and upwards with anything less than 10th being a disaster and a backward step. Not a chance IMO. If Everton finish 10th-12th they should consider it a good season.

[Pacinofan 0]

A massive issue for them has been the stadium situation. They've pissed around so much about it that they've stagnated when others have moved forward. Stevie, in that sense, is right that they're big victims of the modernisation of the game.

 

Look at all the teams around them who have remained in their existing stadia - Liverpool, Newcastle, Man Utd, Spurs, Villa - all have invested heavily in development but importantly ensured there were new executive boxes they could flog to the corporates. Everton seem to do what they had to do to satisfy the Taylor report and no more. Shame like because architectually it's one of the best grounds in the country but they've done bugger all to compliment what Archibald Leitch designed in recent years. Unlike the others, they've declined to use any money and resources on what they already have instead preferring to concentrate on pipe dreams such as King's Dock and Tesco's car park at Kirby.

 

Speak with many Evertonians and they're still bitter they were not able to participate in the European Cup when they were at their peak in the 80s thanks to Heysel which they obviously point the finger at their near neighbours for. They may have a point - with success in the European Cup they may have been able to build a brand that is marketable worldwide. Instead they're Liverpool's lesser known locals who had a small period when they were good.

 

I also agree with what Hansen was saying on MOTD on Saturday. Everton have got a bloody good manager, pound for pound one of the best around. Largely because of him they've massively over-performed year upon year and in finishing 6th-10th, have punched well above their weight. Naturally their fans have come to expect this as the standard and that they should be pushing onwards and upwards with anything less than 10th being a disaster and a backward step. Not a chance IMO. If Everton finish 10th-12th they should consider it a good season.

 

I agree with that to an extent Craig, I've always said only Liverpool should have been banned, but with a football hating PM a blanket ban was inevitable.

 

Having said that, I think Howard Kendall leaving when he did, left Everton in the shit as much as not being in the EC. If they could have kept up their challenge for domestic dominance they would have been a higher profile club when the ban was over. Appointing Colin Harvey to replace Kendall was a backward step in retrospect, and at the time far from Evertonians blaming LFC, they called Kendall every name under the sun for deserting them. As with all things, memories change with time and the more successful Liverpool were the more bitter Evertonians became.

[Craig 6670]

It could be easily argued that Kendall left because there was no European football. The decision to go and manage in Spain certainly backed up that theory.

[McFaul 35]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

I'll get him to post his thoughts on here if you like. I don't what I would have to gain in saying that.- What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

I haven't worn a replica top since I was about 16, but every time I've been to Anfield which is a lot, you see lots of replica shirts being worn by all ages. - What has whether YOU wear a replica shirt got to do with anything? I said, other than at the match, Scouse adults don't wear replica shirts much.

 

Anyway

 

I was wrong our turnover must've been more than £40m more than Everton's at one point, pretty shite source this granted but it's also a true one, and if you look you'll find an official link somewhere anyway. In fact I can't even remember Everton ever being in the richlist. We were even in it in our relegation season, all I was doing was highlighting the commercial and financial difference in size between Newcastle United and Everton.

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127167

 

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

 

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

 

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

 

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

 

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

 

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

 

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

 

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

 

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

 

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

 

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

 

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

 

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

 

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

 

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

 

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

 

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

 

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

 

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

 

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

 

 

I was hoping for the 15 years you talked about.

Where did I mention 15 years you disgraceful wallpushing bastard? I said we've been wealthier than them in one season for over £40m can you not read, generally it was always 20-30m but I made the point that that particular season our income would've been £10m more than normal cos of the CL.

 

What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

 

fucking hilarious. You think I'd pose as a blue dipper to annoy you PMSL mate if you died tomorrow I wouldn't notice or care, even if someone came on this board and said "see that cunt Pacino he's died" I'd think "poor cunt", and that would be it. You deluded nobhead. If they annoy you, they must talk sense whoever they are.

[McFaul 35]

A massive issue for them has been the stadium situation. They've pissed around so much about it that they've stagnated when others have moved forward. Stevie, in that sense, is right that they're big victims of the modernisation of the game.

 

Look at all the teams around them who have remained in their existing stadia - Liverpool, Newcastle, Man Utd, Spurs, Villa - all have invested heavily in development but importantly ensured there were new executive boxes they could flog to the corporates. Everton seem to do what they had to do to satisfy the Taylor report and no more. Shame like because architectually it's one of the best grounds in the country but they've done bugger all to compliment what Archibald Leitch designed in recent years. Unlike the others, they've declined to use any money and resources on what they already have instead preferring to concentrate on pipe dreams such as King's Dock and Tesco's car park at Kirby.

 

Speak with many Evertonians and they're still bitter they were not able to participate in the European Cup when they were at their peak in the 80s thanks to Heysel which they obviously point the finger at their near neighbours for. They may have a point - with success in the European Cup they may have been able to build a brand that is marketable worldwide. Instead they're Liverpool's lesser known locals who had a small period when they were good.

 

I also agree with what Hansen was saying on MOTD on Saturday. Everton have got a bloody good manager, pound for pound one of the best around. Largely because of him they've massively over-performed year upon year and in finishing 6th-10th, have punched well above their weight. Naturally their fans have come to expect this as the standard and that they should be pushing onwards and upwards with anything less than 10th being a disaster and a backward step. Not a chance IMO. If Everton finish 10th-12th they should consider it a good season.

So if I'm right in that sense, what sense exactly am I wrong Craig?

[Pacinofan 0]

It could be easily argued that Kendall left because there was no European football. The decision to go and manage in Spain certainly backed up that theory.

 

That was the reason he gave, but most blues at the time were disgusted because he deserted them. It was a marriage after all.

[Craig 6670]

A massive issue for them has been the stadium situation. They've pissed around so much about it that they've stagnated when others have moved forward. Stevie, in that sense, is right that they're big victims of the modernisation of the game.

 

Look at all the teams around them who have remained in their existing stadia - Liverpool, Newcastle, Man Utd, Spurs, Villa - all have invested heavily in development but importantly ensured there were new executive boxes they could flog to the corporates. Everton seem to do what they had to do to satisfy the Taylor report and no more. Shame like because architectually it's one of the best grounds in the country but they've done bugger all to compliment what Archibald Leitch designed in recent years. Unlike the others, they've declined to use any money and resources on what they already have instead preferring to concentrate on pipe dreams such as King's Dock and Tesco's car park at Kirby.

 

Speak with many Evertonians and they're still bitter they were not able to participate in the European Cup when they were at their peak in the 80s thanks to Heysel which they obviously point the finger at their near neighbours for. They may have a point - with success in the European Cup they may have been able to build a brand that is marketable worldwide. Instead they're Liverpool's lesser known locals who had a small period when they were good.

 

I also agree with what Hansen was saying on MOTD on Saturday. Everton have got a bloody good manager, pound for pound one of the best around. Largely because of him they've massively over-performed year upon year and in finishing 6th-10th, have punched well above their weight. Naturally their fans have come to expect this as the standard and that they should be pushing onwards and upwards with anything less than 10th being a disaster and a backward step. Not a chance IMO. If Everton finish 10th-12th they should consider it a good season.

So if I'm right in that sense, what sense exactly am I wrong Craig?

 

Jesus fucking christ Stevie, it's a figure of speech. I've not said you're wrong at all man. If I thought you were, i'd tell you

[Pacinofan 0]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

I'll get him to post his thoughts on here if you like. I don't what I would have to gain in saying that.- What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

I haven't worn a replica top since I was about 16, but every time I've been to Anfield which is a lot, you see lots of replica shirts being worn by all ages. - What has whether YOU wear a replica shirt got to do with anything? I said, other than at the match, Scouse adults don't wear replica shirts much.

 

Anyway

 

I was wrong our turnover must've been more than £40m more than Everton's at one point, pretty shite source this granted but it's also a true one, and if you look you'll find an official link somewhere anyway. In fact I can't even remember Everton ever being in the richlist. We were even in it in our relegation season, all I was doing was highlighting the commercial and financial difference in size between Newcastle United and Everton.

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127167

 

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

 

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

 

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

 

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

 

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

 

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

 

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

 

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

 

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

 

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

 

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

 

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

 

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

 

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

 

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

 

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

 

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

 

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

 

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

 

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

 

 

I was hoping for the 15 years you talked about.

Where did I mention 15 years you disgraceful wallpushing bastard? I said we've been wealthier than them in one season for over £40m can you not read, generally it was always 20-30m but I made the point that that particular season our income would've been £10m more than normal cos of the CL.

 

What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

 

fucking hilarious. You think I'd pose as a blue dipper to annoy you PMSL mate if you died tomorrow I wouldn't notice or care, even if someone came on this board and said "see that cunt Pacino he's died" I'd think "poor cunt", and that would be it. You deluded nobhead. If they annoy you, they must talk sense whoever they are.

 

Someone sounds upset, truth hurt? You said 'Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton' I was actually more interested in your 15 year source, not the 'facts' you come out with, I take no notice of them anyway, they too often turn out to be wrong.

 

I don't think, I believe, that you would pose as anyone, and have a conversation with yourself, to back up your points.

I'm not your mate and if I died tomorrow why would I think you'd know about it? Sounds like you take the net far too seriously, you need a life sonny boy. Me deluded, the fucking irony. Amusement isn't annoyance.

[McFaul 35]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

I'll get him to post his thoughts on here if you like. I don't what I would have to gain in saying that.- What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

I haven't worn a replica top since I was about 16, but every time I've been to Anfield which is a lot, you see lots of replica shirts being worn by all ages. - What has whether YOU wear a replica shirt got to do with anything? I said, other than at the match, Scouse adults don't wear replica shirts much.

 

Anyway

 

I was wrong our turnover must've been more than £40m more than Everton's at one point, pretty shite source this granted but it's also a true one, and if you look you'll find an official link somewhere anyway. In fact I can't even remember Everton ever being in the richlist. We were even in it in our relegation season, all I was doing was highlighting the commercial and financial difference in size between Newcastle United and Everton.

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127167

 

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

 

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

 

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

 

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

 

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

 

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

 

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

 

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

 

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

 

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

 

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

 

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

 

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

 

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

 

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

 

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

 

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

 

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

 

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

 

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

 

 

I was hoping for the 15 years you talked about.

Where did I mention 15 years you disgraceful wallpushing bastard? I said we've been wealthier than them in one season for over £40m can you not read, generally it was always 20-30m but I made the point that that particular season our income would've been £10m more than normal cos of the CL.

 

What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

 

fucking hilarious. You think I'd pose as a blue dipper to annoy you PMSL mate if you died tomorrow I wouldn't notice or care, even if someone came on this board and said "see that cunt Pacino he's died" I'd think "poor cunt", and that would be it. You deluded nobhead. If they annoy you, they must talk sense whoever they are.

 

Someone sounds upset, truth hurt? You said 'Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton' I was actually more interested in your 15 year source, not the 'facts' you come out with, I take no notice of them anyway, they too often turn out to be wrong.

 

I don't think, I believe, that you would pose as anyone, and have a conversation with yourself, to back up your points.

I'm not your mate and if I died tomorrow why would I think you'd know about it? Sounds like you take the net far too seriously, you need a life sonny boy. Me deluded, the fucking irony. Amusement isn't annoyance.

The last paragraph seems to be a drunken effort at an insult, a frenchman teaching english wouldn't know what the fuck you're on about or what to say to his pupils, and neither do I.

 

Drink could be your main problem I think. Can you answer a question though, do you believe there's a thing called "the Liverpool way", and if you do can you describe what it is, and what's so different about it from other clubs.

[Pacinofan 0]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

I'll get him to post his thoughts on here if you like. I don't what I would have to gain in saying that.- What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

I haven't worn a replica top since I was about 16, but every time I've been to Anfield which is a lot, you see lots of replica shirts being worn by all ages. - What has whether YOU wear a replica shirt got to do with anything? I said, other than at the match, Scouse adults don't wear replica shirts much.

 

Anyway

 

I was wrong our turnover must've been more than £40m more than Everton's at one point, pretty shite source this granted but it's also a true one, and if you look you'll find an official link somewhere anyway. In fact I can't even remember Everton ever being in the richlist. We were even in it in our relegation season, all I was doing was highlighting the commercial and financial difference in size between Newcastle United and Everton.

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127167

 

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

 

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

 

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

 

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

 

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

 

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

 

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

 

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

 

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

 

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

 

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

 

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

 

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

 

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

 

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

 

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

 

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

 

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

 

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

 

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

 

 

I was hoping for the 15 years you talked about.

Where did I mention 15 years you disgraceful wallpushing bastard? I said we've been wealthier than them in one season for over £40m can you not read, generally it was always 20-30m but I made the point that that particular season our income would've been £10m more than normal cos of the CL.

 

What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

 

fucking hilarious. You think I'd pose as a blue dipper to annoy you PMSL mate if you died tomorrow I wouldn't notice or care, even if someone came on this board and said "see that cunt Pacino he's died" I'd think "poor cunt", and that would be it. You deluded nobhead. If they annoy you, they must talk sense whoever they are.

 

Someone sounds upset, truth hurt? You said 'Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton' I was actually more interested in your 15 year source, not the 'facts' you come out with, I take no notice of them anyway, they too often turn out to be wrong.

 

I don't think, I believe, that you would pose as anyone, and have a conversation with yourself, to back up your points.

I'm not your mate and if I died tomorrow why would I think you'd know about it? Sounds like you take the net far too seriously, you need a life sonny boy. Me deluded, the fucking irony. Amusement isn't annoyance.

The last paragraph seems to be a drunken effort at an insult, a frenchman teaching english wouldn't know what the fuck you're on about or what to say to his pupils, and neither do I.

 

Drink could be your main problem I think. Can you answer a question though, do you believe there's a thing called "the Liverpool way", and if you do can you describe what it is, and what's so different about it from other clubs.

 

Why am I not surprised you choose to say you don't understand it, nor give a source for your 15 year quote? You understand it totally but it's too near the truth for you accept.

 

Yes, there is 'The Liverpool way' but why would I want to explain it to someone who wouldn't understand it in a million years?

[McFaul 35]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

I'll get him to post his thoughts on here if you like. I don't what I would have to gain in saying that.- What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

I haven't worn a replica top since I was about 16, but every time I've been to Anfield which is a lot, you see lots of replica shirts being worn by all ages. - What has whether YOU wear a replica shirt got to do with anything? I said, other than at the match, Scouse adults don't wear replica shirts much.

 

Anyway

 

I was wrong our turnover must've been more than £40m more than Everton's at one point, pretty shite source this granted but it's also a true one, and if you look you'll find an official link somewhere anyway. In fact I can't even remember Everton ever being in the richlist. We were even in it in our relegation season, all I was doing was highlighting the commercial and financial difference in size between Newcastle United and Everton.

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127167

 

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

 

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

 

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

 

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

 

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

 

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

 

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

 

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

 

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

 

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

 

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

 

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

 

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

 

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

 

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

 

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

 

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

 

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

 

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

 

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

 

 

I was hoping for the 15 years you talked about.

Where did I mention 15 years you disgraceful wallpushing bastard? I said we've been wealthier than them in one season for over £40m can you not read, generally it was always 20-30m but I made the point that that particular season our income would've been £10m more than normal cos of the CL.

 

What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

 

fucking hilarious. You think I'd pose as a blue dipper to annoy you PMSL mate if you died tomorrow I wouldn't notice or care, even if someone came on this board and said "see that cunt Pacino he's died" I'd think "poor cunt", and that would be it. You deluded nobhead. If they annoy you, they must talk sense whoever they are.

 

Someone sounds upset, truth hurt? You said 'Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton' I was actually more interested in your 15 year source, not the 'facts' you come out with, I take no notice of them anyway, they too often turn out to be wrong.

 

I don't think, I believe, that you would pose as anyone, and have a conversation with yourself, to back up your points.

I'm not your mate and if I died tomorrow why would I think you'd know about it? Sounds like you take the net far too seriously, you need a life sonny boy. Me deluded, the fucking irony. Amusement isn't annoyance.

The last paragraph seems to be a drunken effort at an insult, a frenchman teaching english wouldn't know what the fuck you're on about or what to say to his pupils, and neither do I.

 

Drink could be your main problem I think. Can you answer a question though, do you believe there's a thing called "the Liverpool way", and if you do can you describe what it is, and what's so different about it from other clubs.

 

Why am I not surprised you choose to say you don't understand it, nor give a source for your 15 year quote? You understand it totally but it's too near the truth for you accept.

 

Yes, there is 'The Liverpool way' but why would I want to explain it to someone who wouldn't understand it in a million years?

Shut up you emotional scouse mug, you're a clear and present manic depressive alcoholic. You've proved it tonight beyond any doubt. I've been perfectly reasonable with you, spoke with you with a degree of respect, well more than you deserve and you act like a cunt. If you re-read the 15 year thing you will I didn't say we were £40m above them for 15 years. People like you caused the deaths of 39 innocent Italians perhaps it's on your conscience, maybe that's the way you are how you are? Actually 38 Italians and 1 Belgian. Clearly you're having a breakdown when you think I could be some Evertonian on another board who obviously thinks you're as big a mug as I do.

[Pacinofan 0]

I think Everton are basically just facing the harsh realities of over stretching themselves. Everton fans seem to think they are maybe 6th/7th in the current pecking order, but it's all about money. Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton I think one season about 8 years ago ours was about £90m and theirs £50m much to do with the CL to be fair, but naturally because of our bigger fanbase, higher ticket prices, commercial activities etc... our natural turnover even now will be £15-£20m higher. That's us, who are absolutely shite, and it highlights the delusion of Everton fans that they think they should be competing with Liverpool who have a turnover double their size.

 

I think Everton are the biggest victims of the modernisation of football. While many clubs have improved their fanbase, size and stature over the last 20 years, Everton's has declined to the point, where they can't even generate more money than a club who get 32,000 for their opening game like Aston Villa. The fact is Everton will just have to accept what they are till someone who is rich buys them. We are a different case to Everton in my view because we will generate the money so we're at least 7th in the turnover stakes, it's just we won't spend it. It's a horrific time to be a toon fan, lowest wage bill for 10 years and we could generate £100m just for 10/11, plus in 8 months we've brought in £48m in transfer fees it's fucking frustrating. I spoke to an Evertonian a few years ago who's my age wasn't long after Liverpool won the CL he said when he grew up in Southport and moving to Bootle it seemed everyone supported Everton, but now he says most of the kids seem to be supporting Liverpool. I'd love to say I think it's really sad, but....well I don't. Arrogant tossers the lot of them.

 

 

You Your Evertonian is wrong, how come you always come out with these silly made up stories just to back up your own wishful thinking? The uni did a postcode survey about 8 or 9 years ago now, and it worked out that Liverpool had a higher local fanbase than Everton, not by much, but enough.

 

There are also weak links to establishing local fanbase, like I have all my life met more reds in the city than blues. Scouse adults don't tend to wear replica shirts other than going to the match, but the kids do, and it's always been more red than blue. Also, I've been to many a function where the band playing are from outside the area, and for some reason they think they should end the night with YNWA, a local band just wouldn't do it. The amount of clapping and singing would tell you quite easily how many reds there are to blues, it's always massive. Istanbul tended to bring in more oots and oocs.

 

Out of curiosity could you provide a source for your last 15 years and having 40 million more than Everton over that period? Not that I disbelieve you, I'm just interested.

I'll get him to post his thoughts on here if you like. I don't what I would have to gain in saying that.- What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

I haven't worn a replica top since I was about 16, but every time I've been to Anfield which is a lot, you see lots of replica shirts being worn by all ages. - What has whether YOU wear a replica shirt got to do with anything? I said, other than at the match, Scouse adults don't wear replica shirts much.

 

Anyway

 

I was wrong our turnover must've been more than £40m more than Everton's at one point, pretty shite source this granted but it's also a true one, and if you look you'll find an official link somewhere anyway. In fact I can't even remember Everton ever being in the richlist. We were even in it in our relegation season, all I was doing was highlighting the commercial and financial difference in size between Newcastle United and Everton.

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=127167

 

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

 

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

 

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

 

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

 

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

 

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

 

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

 

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

 

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

 

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

 

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

 

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

 

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

 

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

 

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

 

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

 

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

 

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

 

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

 

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

 

 

I was hoping for the 15 years you talked about.

Where did I mention 15 years you disgraceful wallpushing bastard? I said we've been wealthier than them in one season for over £40m can you not read, generally it was always 20-30m but I made the point that that particular season our income would've been £10m more than normal cos of the CL.

 

What, open another account? Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about. Gain? When talking about Liverpool FC you always have your own jealousy driven agenda, I find it amusing.

 

fucking hilarious. You think I'd pose as a blue dipper to annoy you PMSL mate if you died tomorrow I wouldn't notice or care, even if someone came on this board and said "see that cunt Pacino he's died" I'd think "poor cunt", and that would be it. You deluded nobhead. If they annoy you, they must talk sense whoever they are.

 

Someone sounds upset, truth hurt? You said 'Newcastle have over the last 15 years had a turnover over £40m more than Everton' I was actually more interested in your 15 year source, not the 'facts' you come out with, I take no notice of them anyway, they too often turn out to be wrong.

 

I don't think, I believe, that you would pose as anyone, and have a conversation with yourself, to back up your points.

I'm not your mate and if I died tomorrow why would I think you'd know about it? Sounds like you take the net far too seriously, you need a life sonny boy. Me deluded, the fucking irony. Amusement isn't annoyance.

The last paragraph seems to be a drunken effort at an insult, a frenchman teaching english wouldn't know what the fuck you're on about or what to say to his pupils, and neither do I.

 

Drink could be your main problem I think. Can you answer a question though, do you believe there's a thing called "the Liverpool way", and if you do can you describe what it is, and what's so different about it from other clubs.

 

Why am I not surprised you choose to say you don't understand it, nor give a source for your 15 year quote? You understand it totally but it's too near the truth for you accept.

 

Yes, there is 'The Liverpool way' but why would I want to explain it to someone who wouldn't understand it in a million years?

Shut up you emotional scouse mug, you're a clear and present manic depressive alcoholic. You've proved it tonight beyond any doubt. I've been perfectly reasonable with you, spoke with you with a degree of respect, well more than you deserve and you act like a cunt. If you re-read the 15 year thing you will I didn't say we were £40m above them for 15 years. People like you caused the deaths of 39 innocent Italians perhaps it's on your conscience, maybe that's the way you are how you are? Actually 38 Italians and 1 Belgian. Clearly you're having a breakdown when you think I could be some Evertonian on another board who obviously thinks you're as big a mug as I do.

 

 

Meltdown

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Shut up you emotional scouse mug, you're a clear and present manic depressive alcoholic. You've proved it tonight beyond any doubt. I've been perfectly reasonable with you, spoke with you with a degree of respect, well more than you deserve and you act like a cunt. If you re-read the 15 year thing you will I didn't say we were £40m above them for 15 years. People like you caused the deaths of 39 innocent Italians perhaps it's on your conscience, maybe that's the way you are how you are? Actually 38 Italians and 1 Belgian. Clearly you're having a breakdown when you think I could be some Evertonian on another board who obviously thinks you're as big a mug as I do.

 

 

Meltdown

Meltdown pmsl yeah I'm the one accusing you of being a mackem who thinks I'm a cunt on another board fpmsl In all fairness you couldn't make it up.

 

Could you link the boards blueboy and sandpiper post on, I'm sure they'll find your mental state equally as mortifying as I do.

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Shut up you emotional scouse mug, you're a clear and present manic depressive alcoholic. You've proved it tonight beyond any doubt. I've been perfectly reasonable with you, spoke with you with a degree of respect, well more than you deserve and you act like a cunt. If you re-read the 15 year thing you will I didn't say we were £40m above them for 15 years. People like you caused the deaths of 39 innocent Italians perhaps it's on your conscience, maybe that's the way you are how you are? Actually 38 Italians and 1 Belgian. Clearly you're having a breakdown when you think I could be some Evertonian on another board who obviously thinks you're as big a mug as I do.

 

 

Meltdown

Meltdown pmsl yeah I'm the one accusing you of being a mackem who thinks I'm a cunt on another board fpmsl In all fairness you couldn't make it up.

 

Could you link the boards blueboy and sandpiper post on, I'm sure they'll find your mental state equally as mortifying as I do.

 

Jeez, you're as thick as two short planks. I was giving you names you could open new accounts in on this fuckin board duh!

[McFaul 35]

Shut up you emotional scouse mug, you're a clear and present manic depressive alcoholic. You've proved it tonight beyond any doubt. I've been perfectly reasonable with you, spoke with you with a degree of respect, well more than you deserve and you act like a cunt. If you re-read the 15 year thing you will I didn't say we were £40m above them for 15 years. People like you caused the deaths of 39 innocent Italians perhaps it's on your conscience, maybe that's the way you are how you are? Actually 38 Italians and 1 Belgian. Clearly you're having a breakdown when you think I could be some Evertonian on another board who obviously thinks you're as big a mug as I do.

 

 

Meltdown

Meltdown pmsl yeah I'm the one accusing you of being a mackem who thinks I'm a cunt on another board fpmsl In all fairness you couldn't make it up.

 

Could you link the boards blueboy and sandpiper post on, I'm sure they'll find your mental state equally as mortifying as I do.

 

Jeez, you're as thick as two short planks. I was giving you names you could open new accounts in on this fuckin board duh!

Why lie? You've proven your intellectual level this evening by failing to grasp the £40m comment was for one season. If I was a Liverpool fan, and thank fuck I'm not, I'd be embarrassed by you. You epitomise why Alex said all scousers are cunts on another thread yesterday.

 

He asked the question what is the Liverpool Way, you can't answer it, because you know the official line will be too cringeworthy for this boards server to take.

[McFaul 35]

Maybe you could be blueboy or sandpiper. His your thoughts are shite, and you/he have no idea of what you're talking about.

but of course this person doesn't exist, and is just a name I could choose

 

Fucking what an embarrassment. White Lightening on cheap in West Derby is it? Goodnight deluded one.

[Pacinofan 0]

Shut up you emotional scouse mug, you're a clear and present manic depressive alcoholic. You've proved it tonight beyond any doubt. I've been perfectly reasonable with you, spoke with you with a degree of respect, well more than you deserve and you act like a cunt. If you re-read the 15 year thing you will I didn't say we were £40m above them for 15 years. People like you caused the deaths of 39 innocent Italians perhaps it's on your conscience, maybe that's the way you are how you are? Actually 38 Italians and 1 Belgian. Clearly you're having a breakdown when you think I could be some Evertonian on another board who obviously thinks you're as big a mug as I do.

 

 

Meltdown

Meltdown pmsl yeah I'm the one accusing you of being a mackem who thinks I'm a cunt on another board fpmsl In all fairness you couldn't make it up.

 

Could you link the boards blueboy and sandpiper post on, I'm sure they'll find your mental state equally as mortifying as I do.

 

Jeez, you're as thick as two short planks. I was giving you names you could open new accounts in on this fuckin board duh!

Why lie? You've proven your intellectual level this evening by failing to grasp the £40m comment was for one season. If I was a Liverpool fan, and thank fuck I'm not, I'd be embarrassed by you. You epitomise why Alex said all scousers are cunts on another thread yesterday.

 

He asked the question what is the Liverpool Way, you can't answer it, because you know the official line will be too cringeworthy for this boards server to take.

 

Oh you deluded thicko, you said that Newcastle have had a higher turnover than Everton for 15 years, I was interested in seeing your source for reasons other than your claim. Got it? If you were a Liverpool fan, and thank fuck you're not, I'd die of pure shame. Alex is entitled to his opinion, his hate isn't ugly like yours though.

 

I've cringed at many things to do with certain fans of the club I love, but the Liverpool Way is not one of them. I might add, I've cringed at many more things from other clubs fans.