Modibo Maiga

[Baggio 0]

I was joking.

 

lol

[Andrew 4713]

So how much of the Carroll money is left now then?

 

Maiga £7m

Obertan £3m

Tiote £3.5m

Ben Arfa £5m

Agents fee's £6m

Signing on fee's £???

 

That's presuming Enrique and Nolan went for the same as we paid out for Santon and Cabaye.

 

Anyone else missing off the list?

 

well Tiote was signed BEFORE Carroll was sold as was Ben Arfas full transfer so take them off

 

or shall we include the Owen and shearer deals too in which case its all gone

[Aeris 0]

Not to forget Andy Cole from Bristol City...

[Baggio 0]

So how much of the Carroll money is left now then?

 

Maiga £7m

Obertan £3m

Tiote £3.5m

Ben Arfa £5m

Agents fee's £6m

Signing on fee's £???

 

That's presuming Enrique and Nolan went for the same as we paid out for Santon and Cabaye.

 

Anyone else missing off the list?

 

well Tiote was signed BEFORE Carroll was sold as was Ben Arfas full transfer so take them off

 

or shall we include the Owen and shearer deals too in which case its all gone

 

They were signed in the same season/financial year, one of them was even in the same window so I'm not sure why they should be taken off.

 

Unless we had £8.5 million to invest on players despite the club not making a profit that season to buy then with?

[Andrew 4713]

So how much of the Carroll money is left now then?

 

Maiga £7m

Obertan £3m

Tiote £3.5m

Ben Arfa £5m

Agents fee's £6m

Signing on fee's £???

 

That's presuming Enrique and Nolan went for the same as we paid out for Santon and Cabaye.

 

Anyone else missing off the list?

 

well Tiote was signed BEFORE Carroll was sold as was Ben Arfas full transfer so take them off

 

or shall we include the Owen and shearer deals too in which case its all gone

 

They were signed in the same season/financial year, one of them was even in the same window so I'm not sure why they should be taken off.

 

Unless we had £8.5 million to invest on players despite the club not making a profit that season to buy then with?

 

so what did we do with the milner money? the given or nzogbia money?

 

you can't just pick and choose what transfers qualify for a + to the balance and a - to it

 

transfer made AFTER carroll was sold should be included, transfers before shouldn't

 

or are we dragging up HFs transfer money thread to to see how far in profit MA is on transfers?

[The Fish 10674]

You can only include transfer fees received if you take it as fact that there is a transfer fund which is seperate from all other funds.

[Baggio 0]

So how much of the Carroll money is left now then?

 

Maiga £7m

Obertan £3m

Tiote £3.5m

Ben Arfa £5m

Agents fee's £6m

Signing on fee's £???

 

That's presuming Enrique and Nolan went for the same as we paid out for Santon and Cabaye.

 

Anyone else missing off the list?

 

well Tiote was signed BEFORE Carroll was sold as was Ben Arfas full transfer so take them off

 

or shall we include the Owen and shearer deals too in which case its all gone

 

They were signed in the same season/financial year, one of them was even in the same window so I'm not sure why they should be taken off.

 

Unless we had £8.5 million to invest on players despite the club not making a profit that season to buy then with?

 

so what did we do with the milner money? the given or nzogbia money?

 

you can't just pick and choose what transfers qualify for a + to the balance and a - to it

 

transfer made AFTER carroll was sold should be included, transfers before shouldn't

 

or are we dragging up HFs transfer money thread to to see how far in profit MA is on transfers?

 

Why after though? That doesn't make sense, does it mean we can draw a line before the Santon signing and say we spent whatever on him and will have to sell to finance the deal? Ignoring everything else bought and sold in the summer?

[Baggio 0]

Indeed really scraping the Barrel there bagio to make it look like it's balancing out.

 

Which part is wrong?

[Baggio 0]

You can only include transfer fees received if you take it as fact that there is a transfer fund which is seperate from all other funds.

 

Exactly, yet people seem to be focusing on the Carroll money and ignoring other signings that season despite the club making a loss that year.

[The Fish 10674]

Indeed really scraping the Barrel there bagio to make it look like it's balancing out.

 

Which part is wrong?

 

the part where you believe that money received will neccesarily be kept in a transfer kitty.

[Baggio 0]

Indeed really scraping the Barrel there bagio to make it look like it's balancing out.

 

Which part is wrong?

 

the part where you believe that money received will neccesarily be kept in a transfer kitty.

 

I didn't say that, people just presume it hasn't been spent which as you can see is wrong.

[Aeris 0]

So how much of the Carroll money is left now then?

 

*Maiga £7m

Obertan £3m

Tiote £3.5m

Ben Arfa £5m

Agents fee's £6m

Signing on fee's £???

 

*is this officialy spent?

Edited December 13, 2011 by Aeris

[Guest alex]

HBA is fair enough if you allow for the fact it was the same window. Tiote, not really. Its moot anyway like.

[Baggio 0]

So how much of the Carroll money is left now then?

 

Maiga £7m

Obertan £3m

Tiote £3.5m

Ben Arfa £5m

Agents fee's £6m

Signing on fee's £???

 

So we can ignore other signings in a season and start at a random point in the window that fits our agenda? Nice.

[The Fish 10674]

Indeed really scraping the Barrel there bagio to make it look like it's balancing out.

 

Which part is wrong?

 

the part where you believe that money received will neccesarily be kept in a transfer kitty.

 

I didn't say that, people just presume it hasn't been spent which as you can see is wrong.

The only reason to make mention of the "Carroll Money" is if it's seperate to other funds.

 

It isn't.

 

you can be frustrated that we're not spending a lot on players, you can be frustrated that we're releasing promising players, you can even be frustrated that we're not signing enough bodies in the first place. You can't look at transfer ins and outs and try to balance them. Not any more.

[Guest alex]

Maiga hasn't signed but you're including him to fit your agenda. Might as well include the £25m for Tiote to Chelsea too then.

[Baggio 0]

HBA is fair enough if you allow for the fact it was the same window. Tiote, not really. Its moot anyway like.

 

Surely you go by season/financial year?

 

Lets look at the summer we made a profit by selling Woodgate and then spent money in January on Boumsong, Faye and Babayaro, is this a case of the club 'trousering' money in the Summer and spending from a different pot in the January or is it that we look at it as a + or - over the course of a season?

[ChezGiven 0]

Read the accounts, Baggio is right about our summer spending last year as the revenue for the relegation season was £52.4m and our costs were £74.4m. So having spent in cash terms (not including any accountancy tricks like depreciation, just in pure cash terms) £22m more than we earned, we then spent money on players. The only way we could have done that was through bridging loans based on future income.

 

The Ben Arfa money was physically transferred to the French bank the same month the Carroll money was transferred to our, meaning our bank account was £30m up.

 

The money to be supposedly spent on Maiga, plus the agent fees of over £6m brings us to about half of that £30m.

[Andrew 4713]

yes but that example could only work if we'd sold Carroll before signing those players in january, which we didnt

 

and correct me if Im wrong but hasnt the financial year moved on since carroll was sold?

 

its also a different season (as was this summer) if you want to include the tiote deal

Edited December 13, 2011 by Semimental

[Baggio 0]

Maiga hasn't signed but you're including him to fit your agenda. Might as well include the £25m for Tiote to Chelsea too then.

 

You can include Tiote if you like but last I heard he wasn't rumoured to be having a medical today.

[ChezGiven 0]

Maiga hasn't signed but you're including him to fit your agenda. Might as well include the £25m for Tiote to Chelsea too then.

 

Fair point.

[Guest alex]

HBA is fair enough if you allow for the fact it was the same window. Tiote, not really. Its moot anyway like.

 

Surely you go by season/financial year?

 

Lets look at the summer we made a profit by selling Woodgate and then spent money in January on Boumsong, Faye and Babayaro, is this a case of the club 'trousering' money in the Summer and spending from a different pot in the January or is it that we look at it as a + or - over the course of a season?

It's 'only' £3.5m anyway so it doesn't make that much difference to the argument either way. However, I would say that the Tiote transfer fee was obviously money already available from a pre-agreed transfer budget or however you want to phrase it, since there's no way the club knew they were getting that sort of deal for Carroll in the January.

[Guest alex]

Maiga hasn't signed but you're including him to fit your agenda. Might as well include the £25m for Tiote to Chelsea too then.

 

You can include Tiote if you like but last I heard he wasn't rumoured to be having a medical today.

Well it was partly tongue-in-cheek but it's fair enough to at least entertain the notion that Maiga's arrival is being finance by January outgoing(s).

[Baggio 0]

HBA is fair enough if you allow for the fact it was the same window. Tiote, not really. Its moot anyway like.

 

Surely you go by season/financial year?

 

Lets look at the summer we made a profit by selling Woodgate and then spent money in January on Boumsong, Faye and Babayaro, is this a case of the club 'trousering' money in the Summer and spending from a different pot in the January or is it that we look at it as a + or - over the course of a season?

It's 'only' £3.5m anyway so it doesn't make that much difference to the argument either way. However, I would say that the Tiote transfer fee was obviously money already available from a pre-agreed transfer budget or however you want to phrase it, since there's no way the club knew they were getting that sort of deal for Carroll in the January.

 

Didn't the last set of accounts show Ashley had advanced the club money short term with the view of getting it back? I seem to remember them saying it was for when we signed Best, Routledge and Williamson to secure promotion.

 

If that is the case then it's likely that the same thing was done for that seasons transfers with the view of him getting the advance back when the club had it, unless you think we pulled the money out of thin air despite us already making a loss for the previous season and a predicted loss for that coming one.

Edited December 13, 2011 by Baggio

[Baggio 0]

Maiga hasn't signed but you're including him to fit your agenda. Might as well include the £25m for Tiote to Chelsea too then.

 

You can include Tiote if you like but last I heard he wasn't rumoured to be having a medical today.

Well it was partly tongue-in-cheek but it's fair enough to at least entertain the notion that Maiga's arrival is being finance by January outgoing(s).

 

That could well be the case but again if Maiga came in before Tiote is sold then surely you lump them in together and not as someone else suggested we have some mythical £25 million pot that doesn't include Maiga as he was bought first?