The Great British riots

[Kevin 1]

You should learn when to shut up, an old man like you.

[LeazesMag 0]

You should learn when to shut up, an old man like you.

 

I take it you don't agree with the voice of experience then ?

 

do you think the solution is to send them all off to Marbella for a holiday ?

[Kevin 1]

Dude, are you on drugs or something?

[LeazesMag 0]

Dude, are you on drugs or something?

 

"Dude"...."buddy"....are you a closet American ?

[Kevin 1]

Are you a closet bender?

[Happy Face 29]

Leazes will love this....

 

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/11/lon...mp;type=article

[LeazesMag 0]

Are you a closet bender?

 

stop derailing the thread and go back to flipping burgers lad.

[Kevin 1]

Are you a closet bender?

 

stop derailing the thread and go back to flipping burgers lad.

 

Better than flipping my balls back and forward you boring old cunt.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Are you a closet bender?

 

stop derailing the thread and go back to flipping burgers lad.

 

Better than flipping my balls back and forward you boring old cunt.

 

[LeazesMag 0]

Are you a closet bender?

 

stop derailing the thread and go back to flipping burgers lad.

 

Better than flipping my balls back and forward you boring old cunt.

 

I'm a right old cunt. Perhaps that is too subtle for you Kev lad ?

[Billy Castell 0]

I think this is happened because education and parenting have failed these kids. I think they're a product of a society that isn't a community. I think this is a symptom of the "I'm all right jack" attitude of thatcher's reign AND the imbalanced benefit culture of Labour's reign.

 

I think this is a product of the lack of integration at the beginning of large scale immigration. We should never have allowed ghettos, we should have interwoven our culture into the immigrants'.

 

I think this isn't a sudden and snap reaction to the status quo, this is creation of decades of bad decisions by politicians and voters on both sides of the specturm.

 

I think these kids are violent criminals who should be punished as such, but I don't think they were born criminals. I don't believe there's a criminal gene. Just bad parenting and an education system focussed on stats and quotas. Teachers who systematically fail to educate these kids beyond how to pass an exam.

 

I think we need to make these kids rebuild what they've destroyed and I agree with attacking the benefits of these criminals.

 

partly right, but you don't narrow it down enough. What Cameron said the other day is absolutely true ie sick society, no standards, no discipline, too many people wanting an easy life and thinking society owes them something, failure of multi-culturism etc.

 

However, decades of "bad decisions" in the form of legislation to appease do-gooders, leftie namby pambys, socialist who supported a failed ideology, less prisons, soft sentences, "revolutionary" school teaching etc etc [can't be arsed to make this a long post], an overpopulated country, have all made major contributions, and he knows it. But can't say it.

 

He also knows that it is impossible to get around all this legislation which is now firmly entrenched into our society and those who advocated all these things would be howling like wolves if he/they tried.

 

He also knows that, being Tories, they are not prepared to pay for it in terms of tax hikes etc. But isn't going to say that either.

 

A fairly sensible post from Leazes, and without any sniping.

 

Whilst Cameron is a hypocritical upper class wanker, I largely agree with the first paragraph. I've worked with many young people in my range of crap jobs, and for every one that wants to put a shift in at work, there are 10 who think they should get the VC for turning up on time. Their parents will go apeshit if their kids are sacked or criticised in any way by an employer (one dad threatened to punch the assistant manager at one place I worked because he got rid of her for being lazy), and do everything for them. The resultant attitude pervades other aspects of the youngster's life and makes them think they have a 'right' to material objects, respect and money and not have to earn them.

 

Socialism in broad terms is not really to blame, but Thatcherite capitalism. The consumerist, buy this now or be unfulfilled, you must watch this and do this to be cool society it has created has led to masses of people wanting the latest hi-tech thing, more money and so on without any thought of whether it'll make them happier or whether it is really worth getting. Play a simple board game? "No way, not with my family. I want to have Nike Air Turbojizz 3000 trainers so my mates will be well-jell when we drink vodka in the park. And if I wanted to play Monopoly, I want it on a 100 inch 3D plasma TV." I hope you all can make sense of this paragraph.

[LeazesMag 0]

I think this is happened because education and parenting have failed these kids. I think they're a product of a society that isn't a community. I think this is a symptom of the "I'm all right jack" attitude of thatcher's reign AND the imbalanced benefit culture of Labour's reign.

 

I think this is a product of the lack of integration at the beginning of large scale immigration. We should never have allowed ghettos, we should have interwoven our culture into the immigrants'.

 

I think this isn't a sudden and snap reaction to the status quo, this is creation of decades of bad decisions by politicians and voters on both sides of the specturm.

 

I think these kids are violent criminals who should be punished as such, but I don't think they were born criminals. I don't believe there's a criminal gene. Just bad parenting and an education system focussed on stats and quotas. Teachers who systematically fail to educate these kids beyond how to pass an exam.

 

I think we need to make these kids rebuild what they've destroyed and I agree with attacking the benefits of these criminals.

 

partly right, but you don't narrow it down enough. What Cameron said the other day is absolutely true ie sick society, no standards, no discipline, too many people wanting an easy life and thinking society owes them something, failure of multi-culturism etc.

 

However, decades of "bad decisions" in the form of legislation to appease do-gooders, leftie namby pambys, socialist who supported a failed ideology, less prisons, soft sentences, "revolutionary" school teaching etc etc [can't be arsed to make this a long post], an overpopulated country, have all made major contributions, and he knows it. But can't say it.

 

He also knows that it is impossible to get around all this legislation which is now firmly entrenched into our society and those who advocated all these things would be howling like wolves if he/they tried.

 

He also knows that, being Tories, they are not prepared to pay for it in terms of tax hikes etc. But isn't going to say that either.

 

A fairly sensible post from Leazes, and without any sniping.

 

Whilst Cameron is a hypocritical upper class wanker, I largely agree with the first paragraph. I've worked with many young people in my range of crap jobs, and for every one that wants to put a shift in at work, there are 10 who think they should get the VC for turning up on time. Their parents will go apeshit if their kids are sacked or criticised in any way by an employer (one dad threatened to punch the assistant manager at one place I worked because he got rid of her for being lazy), and do everything for them. The resultant attitude pervades other aspects of the youngster's life and makes them think they have a 'right' to material objects, respect and money and not have to earn them.

 

Socialism in broad terms is not really to blame, but Thatcherite capitalism. The consumerist, buy this now or be unfulfilled, you must watch this and do this to be cool society it has created has led to masses of people wanting the latest hi-tech thing, more money and so on without any thought of whether it'll make them happier or whether it is really worth getting. Play a simple board game? "No way, not with my family. I want to have Nike Air Turbojizz 3000 trainers so my mates will be well-jell when we drink vodka in the park. And if I wanted to play Monopoly, I want it on a 100 inch 3D plasma TV." I hope you all can make sense of this paragraph.

 

All my posts are sensible, and would be seen that way by people if they put their irrational hatred of personalities to one side.

[LeazesMag 0]

I think this is happened because education and parenting have failed these kids. I think they're a product of a society that isn't a community. I think this is a symptom of the "I'm all right jack" attitude of thatcher's reign AND the imbalanced benefit culture of Labour's reign.

 

I think this is a product of the lack of integration at the beginning of large scale immigration. We should never have allowed ghettos, we should have interwoven our culture into the immigrants'.

 

I think this isn't a sudden and snap reaction to the status quo, this is creation of decades of bad decisions by politicians and voters on both sides of the specturm.

 

I think these kids are violent criminals who should be punished as such, but I don't think they were born criminals. I don't believe there's a criminal gene. Just bad parenting and an education system focussed on stats and quotas. Teachers who systematically fail to educate these kids beyond how to pass an exam.

 

I think we need to make these kids rebuild what they've destroyed and I agree with attacking the benefits of these criminals.

 

partly right, but you don't narrow it down enough. What Cameron said the other day is absolutely true ie sick society, no standards, no discipline, too many people wanting an easy life and thinking society owes them something, failure of multi-culturism etc.

 

However, decades of "bad decisions" in the form of legislation to appease do-gooders, leftie namby pambys, socialist who supported a failed ideology, less prisons, soft sentences, "revolutionary" school teaching etc etc [can't be arsed to make this a long post], an overpopulated country, have all made major contributions, and he knows it. But can't say it.

 

He also knows that it is impossible to get around all this legislation which is now firmly entrenched into our society and those who advocated all these things would be howling like wolves if he/they tried.

 

He also knows that, being Tories, they are not prepared to pay for it in terms of tax hikes etc. But isn't going to say that either.

 

A fairly sensible post from Leazes, and without any sniping.

 

Whilst Cameron is a hypocritical upper class wanker, I largely agree with the first paragraph. I've worked with many young people in my range of crap jobs, and for every one that wants to put a shift in at work, there are 10 who think they should get the VC for turning up on time. Their parents will go apeshit if their kids are sacked or criticised in any way by an employer (one dad threatened to punch the assistant manager at one place I worked because he got rid of her for being lazy), and do everything for them. The resultant attitude pervades other aspects of the youngster's life and makes them think they have a 'right' to material objects, respect and money and not have to earn them.

 

Socialism in broad terms is not really to blame, but Thatcherite capitalism . The consumerist, buy this now or be unfulfilled, you must watch this and do this to be cool society it has created has led to masses of people wanting the latest hi-tech thing, more money and so on without any thought of whether it'll make them happier or whether it is really worth getting. Play a simple board game? "No way, not with my family. I want to have Nike Air Turbojizz 3000 trainers so my mates will be well-jell when we drink vodka in the park. And if I wanted to play Monopoly, I want it on a 100 inch 3D plasma TV." I hope you all can make sense of this paragraph.

 

they are both to blame in different ways, as you say further when you outline what Thatcherite capitalism spawned.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

I think there's a myriad of reasons this took place; I don't think it can be explained away just by harping on about an underclass that has developed in Britain.

[The Fish 10972]

Why don't they give the looters the opportunity to return what they've stolen like they did with the MP's

good point

 

aren't you going to respond to what I posted ? Or can I continue laughing my arse off at you

Sorry, I don't spend all my time on here, unlike you.

 

I didn't see anything in your post that was a question. The only thing I'd say is that you seem to dismiss the impact of thatcherites tearing the heart out of the community.

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Are you a closet bender?

 

stop derailing the thread and go back to flipping burgers lad.

 

Better than flipping my balls back and forward you boring old cunt.

 

Easily your best post ever.

[LeazesMag 0]

Why don't they give the looters the opportunity to return what they've stolen like they did with the MP's

good point

 

aren't you going to respond to what I posted ? Or can I continue laughing my arse off at you

Sorry, I don't spend all my time on here, unlike you.

 

I didn't see anything in your post that was a question. The only thing I'd say is that you seem to dismiss the impact of thatcherites tearing the heart out of the community.

 

you've made a canny few thousand more posts than me and you replied to wacky but not to me.

 

Anyway, I am not dismissing it [see a few posts up] but I think the main gist of what Cameron said is correct, but as he is a Tory a few people will let that taint their view of his comments. What Thatcher did is also part of the problem but at least you can say that they would be prepared to enforce some sort of discipline and standards instead of rapping their knuckles and effectively letting them off [if they were allowed to by the leftie brigade and their failed idealogy of course]

 

Overall, I just think the biggest blame is placed at what I outline in my first 2 paragraphs [and I'm no Tory by any stretch]

Edited August 12, 2011 by LeazesMag

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Why don't they give the looters the opportunity to return what they've stolen like they did with the MP's

good point

 

aren't you going to respond to what I posted ? Or can I continue laughing my arse off at you

Sorry, I don't spend all my time on here, unlike you.

 

I didn't see anything in your post that was a question. The only thing I'd say is that you seem to dismiss the impact of thatcherites tearing the heart out of the community.

 

I think Thatcher tearing out the heart of the communities 25 years ago definitely influenced people to loot pound shops. NOT

 

[McFaul 35]

I think there's a myriad of reasons this took place; I don't think it can be explained away just by harping on about an underclass that has developed in Britain.

There's not a myriad of reasons in my opinion. The absolute key reason is we have hundreds of thousands of people in this country who have been poorly brought up, and are cunts. That is it. That's my theory.

[Christmas Tree 4852]

I think there's a myriad of reasons this took place; I don't think it can be explained away just by harping on about an underclass that has developed in Britain.

There's not a myriad of reasons in my opinion. The absolute key reason is we have hundreds of thousands of people in this country who have been poorly brought up, and are cunts. That is it. That's my theory.

 

Spot on.

 

The government however will still spend millions coming to the same conclusion.

[The Fish 10972]

I think there's a myriad of reasons this took place; I don't think it can be explained away just by harping on about an underclass that has developed in Britain.

There's not a myriad of reasons in my opinion. The absolute key reason is we have hundreds of thousands of people in this country who have been poorly brought up, and are cunts. That is it. That's my theory.

 

Spot on.

 

The government however will still spend millions coming to the same conclusion.

Unlikely, this government doesn't like to spend much on anything to be honest. I'm pretty left-wing on many things, but I am wholly in favour of a form of national service for young people. Not necessarily the armed forces, but certainly something that instills in them, the sense of civic pride they're clearly not getting at home.

[Happy Face 29]

Doesn't a program of national service cost a lot of money too.

 

Much easier to stop their benefits and evict them..

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes will love this....

 

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/11/lon...mp;type=article

 

its natural for those in their 30's, or maybe 40's, to completely blame the Thatcher years, as they would not have really understood or been around during the politics of the 60's and 70's, consequently they think that prior to Thatcher, Britain was a wonderful place. It wasn't. The problems I highlighted earlier were taking root during those decades, it seems to me they are at the forefront of the problems we have now. Kids have always "wanted things", its just that they knew the meaning of the word "no" once, and working for what you had.

 

And Russel Brand is an utter arsehole anyway

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

No surprise that I learnt more about Russell Brand than I did about anything else in that article of his: he's a verbose, self-obsessed bellend. Stick to the comedy!

[Happy Face 29]

On a warm spring day, strolling in south London, I heard demanding voices behind me. A police van disgorged a posse of six or more who waved me aside. They surrounded a young black man who, like me, was ambling along. They rifled through his pockets, looked in his shoes, inspected his teeth. Their thuggery affirmed, they let him go with the barked warning there would be a next time.

 

For the young at the bottom of the pyramid of wealth and patronage and poverty that is modern Britain - mostly the black, the marginalised and resentful, the envious and hopeless - there is never surprise. Their relationship with authority is integral to their obsolescence as young adults. Half of all black British youth between the ages of 18 and 24 are unemployed, the result of deliberate policies since Margaret Thatcher oversaw the greatest transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top in British history. Forget plasma TVs; this was panoramic looting.

 

Such is the truth of David Cameron's "sick society", notably its sickest, most criminal, most feral "pocket": the square mile of the City of London where, with political approval, the banks and the super-rich have trashed the British economy and the lives of millions. This is fast becoming unmentionable as we succumb to propaganda once described by the American black leader Malcolm X thus: "If you're not careful the newspapers will have you hating the oppressed and loving the people doing the oppressing."

 

Money-moving parasites As MPs lined up to bay their class bigotry and hypocrisy in parliament, barely a handful spoke this truth. Not one of the heirs to Edmund Burke's 18th-century rants against "mob rule" by a "swinish multitude" referred to previous rebellions in Brixton, Tottenham and Toxteth in the 1980s, when Lord Scarman reported that "complex political, social and economic factors" had caused a "disposition towards violent protest" and recommended urgent remedial action. Instead, Labour and Liberal bravehearts called for water cannon and everything draconian. Among them was the Labour MP Hazel Blears. Remember her notorious expenses? None made the obvious connection between the greatest inequality since records began, a police force that routinely abuses a section of the population and kills with impunity, and a permanent state of colonial warfare with an arms trade to match: the apogee of violence.

 

It seemed hardly coincidental that on the day before Cameron raged against "phoney human rights", Nato aircraft - including British bombers sent by him - killed a reported 85 civilians in a peaceful Libyan town. These were people in their homes, children in their schools. Watch the BBC's man on the spot trying his best to dispute the evidence in front of his eyes, just as the political and media class sought to discredit the evidence of a civilian slaughter in Iraq as bloody as the Rwandan genocide. Who are the criminals?

 

This is not in any way to excuse the violence of the rioters, many of whom were opportunistic, mean, cruel, nihilistic and often vicious in their glee: an authentic reflection of a system of greed and self-interest to which scores of parasitic money-movers, "entrepreneurs", Murdochites, corrupt MPs and bent coppers have devoted themselves.

 

On 9 August, the BBC's Fiona Armstrong - aka Lady MacGregor of MacGregor -interviewed the writer Darcus Howe, who dared use the forbidden word "insurrection".

 

Armstrong Mr Howe, you say you are not shocked [by the riots]? Does this mean you condone what happened last night? Howe Of course not . . . What I am concerned about is a young man called Mark Duggan . . . the police officer blew his head off. Armstrong Mr Howe, we have to wait for the official inquiry before we can say things like that. We don't know what happened . . . We're going to wait for the police report on it.

 

On 8 August, the Independent Police Complaints Commission acknowledged there was "no evidence" that Duggan had fired a shot at police. He was shot in the face on 4 August by a police officer with a Heckler & Koch MP5 sub-machine gun - the same weapon supplied by British governments, Tory and Labour, to dictatorships that use them against their own people. I saw the result in East Timor, where Indonesian troops also blew the heads off people.

 

The big sweep An eyewitness to Duggan's killing told reporters: "About three or four police officers had [him] pinned on the ground at gunpoint. They were really big guns and then I heard four loud shots. The police shot him on the floor." This is how the police shot dead Jean Charles de Menezes on the floor of a London Underground train in 2005. And there was Ian Tomlinson, and many more. The police lied about Duggan's killing as they lied about the others. Since 1998, more than 330 people have died in police custody yet not one officer has been convicted.

 

“Funny, too," noted the journalist Melanie McFadyean, "that the police did nothing while some serious looting went on - surely not because they wanted everyone to see that cutting the police force meant more crime?"

 

Still, the brooms have arrived. In an age of public relations as news, the clean-up campaign, however well-meant by many people, can also serve the media goal of sweeping inequality and hopelessness under gentrified carpets, with cheery volunteers armed with brand new brooms and described as "Londoners" as if the rest were aliens. The otherwise absent Boris Johnson waved his new broom. Another Old Etonian, the PR to an asset stripper and currently the Prime Minister up to his neck in Hackgate, would surely approve.

 

http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/20...e-british-young