ChezGiven 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The silence from the Ashley apologists has been deafening. And I'm talking about the more articulate among them, not deano, who has continued spouting his usual brand of inane drivel. Come on toonpack, chez - let's be avin you. Quote me on that. Arguing Nolan's departure had logic to it? Reminding people of the substantial financial losses we have made to put context on our financial dealings. Being positive about the new signings? Only in the playground does that translate into an implicit approval of the club's decision making. I look at things on case by case basis and enjoy discussing the ins and outs of a situation. I am not desperately trying to prove that I've been right or wrong about poorly defined negative narrative regarding the clubs strategy. What does the Barton transfer signal to you? That he is using the club as a promotional vehicle for SD? That he is happy for us to yo yo between the divisions? That he only wants mid table? That he is asset stripping the club? That he is vindictively trying to piss the fans off in retaliation for the Keegan debacle? That he is only interested in making a profit? That he is preparing the club for a sale by massively reducing the wage bill? Etc etc etc. Which one of these narratives (mutually inconsistent as they are) are you suggesting has just been proven and which one was I arguing against? There are only ever 2 analytical frameworks for a business; what it is they think they're doing and what it is they actually are doing. We speculate on the former and observe the latter. As I say, clarify what you think their strategy is and tell me where I have posted support for that. In this case you may find lots of evidence bu it may tend to focus on debt and finance. The last argument about SD branding was based on sound business insight and was backed up privately by a tax expert. I didn't say they were right to do what they did, I merely argued it made no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9398 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The silence from the Ashley apologists has been deafening. And I'm talking about the more articulate among them, not deano, who has continued spouting his usual brand of inane drivel. Come on toonpack, chez - let's be avin you. Suffice to say, not an apologist, just a realist. Will respond to anything of interest tomorrow when I'll be working from home, am in the smoke just now, new gig. Gloomy used to be a "anybody but Fred" person, just like you man. I still am and I'm right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7295 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The prevalent narrative is clear. Ashley is a chancer who doesn't know what he's doing. Each situation that the club finds itself in can be traced directly back to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Absolute joke is what it is. Seriously... how Peasepud has the nerve to call Jean Claude Floot de Ponce-Ponce "non-existent" is beyond me. So he's not integrated himself into the local community yet, big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Aye, I was going to say like if it's not obvious to everyone that Chez's position is essentially one of constant review (in the pure sense) then it's yet another case of people reading summat, not liking it and simply translating it into Ashley/Shepherd-esque bite sized consumption to suit their own palate. It's not like we don't have enough of that on here. Mercifully, Chez is at the opposite end of that spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The prevalent narrative is clear. Ashley is a chancer who doesn't know what he's doing. Each situation that the club finds itself in can be traced directly back to it. Indeed but more than 46 points this season will tend to completely undermine that. Am not saying we will at all. Still doesn't explain what he 'thinks' he is doing either. Am not saying I know either, I just object to being told that I am an apologist for whatever that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Absolute joke is what it is. Seriously... how Peasepud has the nerve to call Jean Claude Floot de Ponce-Ponce "non-existent" is beyond me. So he's not integrated himself into the local community yet, big deal. C**t wont accept my facebook request, says he's never heard of Newcastle United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I'm just disappointed you didn't get a chance to speak to Enrique Chez . It could've all looked so different right now if you'd have had that half hour chat with him. The one you rekoned that if you had, you could've persuaded him to stay ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Absolute joke is what it is. Seriously... how Peasepud has the nerve to call Jean Claude Floot de Ponce-Ponce "non-existent" is beyond me. So he's not integrated himself into the local community yet, big deal. You should stick to being miserable. It's funnier for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Aye, I was going to say like if it's not obvious to everyone that Chez's position is essentially one of constant review (in the pure sense) then it's yet another case of people reading summat, not liking it and simply translating it into Ashley/Shepherd-esque bite sized consumption to suit their own palate. It's not like we don't have enough of that on here. Mercifully, Chez is at the opposite end of that spectrum. Very well put, thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The silence from the Ashley apologists has been deafening. And I'm talking about the more articulate among them, not deano, who has continued spouting his usual brand of inane drivel. Come on toonpack, chez - let's be avin you. You need to wait until Sept 1st. No point in discussing the overall outcome before then. I'm still confident of two more signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The prevalent narrative is clear. Ashley is a chancer who doesn't know what he's doing. Each situation that the club finds itself in can be traced directly back to it. Indeed but more than 46 points this season will tend to completely undermine that. Am not saying we will at all. Still doesn't explain what he 'thinks' he is doing either. Am not saying I know either, I just object to being told that I am an apologist for whatever that is. I'm pretty certain that stems from CT classing you as one of his collective 'posse'. As manc-mag says though, anyone with the ability to read should be able to tell that you're objective rather than subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The silence from the Ashley apologists has been deafening. And I'm talking about the more articulate among them, not deano, who has continued spouting his usual brand of inane drivel. Come on toonpack, chez - let's be avin you. Suffice to say, not an apologist, just a realist. Will respond to anything of interest tomorrow when I'll be working from home, am in the smoke just now, new gig. Gloomy used to be a "anybody but Fred" person, just like you man. I still am and I'm right "anybody but Fred" ? After 4 years of Ashley and his "plan" ? You are completely, utterly wrong mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The silence from the Ashley apologists has been deafening. And I'm talking about the more articulate among them, not deano, who has continued spouting his usual brand of inane drivel. Come on toonpack, chez - let's be avin you. You need to wait until Sept 1st. No point in discussing the overall outcome before then. I'm still confident of two more signings. No need to worry then, eh lads? Incidentally, CT only refers to a collective 'Team Positive' to try to add some much needed credibility to his own postings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I'm just disappointed you didn't get a chance to speak to Enrique Chez . It could've all looked so different right now if you'd have had that half hour chat with him. The one you rekoned that if you had, you could've persuaded him to stay ? Me doing a rendition of 'Please don't go' and Stevie explaining why scousers are mugs and the lad would have signed that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 If he wants to stay he can, his contract runs for a year. He will take the money and the long contract just like Nolan did. Must like relegation as they will go down, no doubt Think you're directing your bitterness at the wrong people personally. No I'm not. I would have given Barton a 2 year extension as I rate him and think the club are wrong. What I find laughable is Barton tweeting about not wanting to leave then going to a shitty team like QPR. He could stay but the 80-100k p.w. on offer makes him think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Absolute joke is what it is. Seriously... how Peasepud has the nerve to call Jean Claude Floot de Ponce-Ponce "non-existent" is beyond me. So he's not integrated himself into the local community yet, big deal. You should stick to being miserable. It's funnier for a start. Wow. Barton's departure really hit you hard? An unexpectedly harsh response, don't quite know what your problem is. I also love how I'm called "miserable" for believing there was a possibility we might get relegated last season. Never did I say we actually would, just that I wouldn't rule it out as I more or less made that mistake the season we did actually go down. If you actually read my posts you'd see that I'm far less cynical than a lot on here. People complain about the club on a regular basis and I'm the only one to get called out on it? Edited August 25, 2011 by Tecato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Absolute joke is what it is. Seriously... how Peasepud has the nerve to call Jean Claude Floot de Ponce-Ponce "non-existent" is beyond me. So he's not integrated himself into the local community yet, big deal. You should stick to being miserable. It's funnier for a start. Wow. Barton's departure really hit you hard? An unexpectedly harsh response, don't quite know what your problem is. I also love how I'm called "miserable" for believing there was a possibility we might get relegated last season. Never did I say we actually would, just that I wouldn't rule it out as I more or less made that mistake the season we did actually go down. If you actually read my posts you'd see that I'm far less cynical than a lot on here. People complain about the club on a regular basis and I'm the only to get called out on it? I was joking as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Aye, I was going to say like if it's not obvious to everyone that Chez's position is essentially one of constant review (in the pure sense) then it's yet another case of people reading summat, not liking it and simply translating it into Ashley/Shepherd-esque bite sized consumption to suit their own palate. It's not like we don't have enough of that on here. Mercifully, Chez is at the opposite end of that spectrum. that is not really correct, again. It isn't so simple as Ashley v Fred, the next owner could also get nowhere near the ex owners either. I'll leave it up to you if you want to start disputing this with me - again, and trying to prove me wrong, like you have done for the last 4 years, but one day the penny may drop that not too many people actually will match or better them. We will see. There are worse owners than Ashley, I say this because I now think he is doing all this deliberately to get his money back asap and sell the club for whatever he can when someone offers an acceptable price. Edited August 25, 2011 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 In that case I think we should both stick to what we do best (whatever that is), leave the comedy to CT and Deano. Moving on swiftly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7295 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The prevalent narrative is clear. Ashley is a chancer who doesn't know what he's doing. Each situation that the club finds itself in can be traced directly back to it. Indeed but more than 46 points this season will tend to completely undermine that. Am not saying we will at all. Still doesn't explain what he 'thinks' he is doing either. Am not saying I know either, I just object to being told that I am an apologist for whatever that is. I've never accused you of that. It's good to try to understand the reasons behind the moves we've seen at the club under the ownership of Mike Ashley. For that a counter view or alternate analysis can be a good thing. In the end though a bigger picture emerged quite some time ago, that that dictates that you really cannot apply reason to the decisions that are made by Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias. 46 points for me will not undermine it. I'll be happy to get as many points as possible, but whatever the team achieve on the field it will be in spite of and not because of Ashley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 If he wants to stay he can, his contract runs for a year. He will take the money and the long contract just like Nolan did. Must like relegation as they will go down, no doubt Think you're directing your bitterness at the wrong people personally. No I'm not. I would have given Barton a 2 year extension as I rate him and think the club are wrong. What I find laughable is Barton tweeting about not wanting to leave then going to a shitty team like QPR. He could stay but the 80-100k p.w. on offer makes him think otherwise. Aye, he could stay for the rest of this season (and only that) and potentially lose the chance to make megabucks. Only an idiot would either do that or expect it of him (or anyone else for that matter). It's a bit like me winning the lottery tomorrow and people having a go at me for not giving it all to charity. I mean I could do that. What fucking planet are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 whatever the team achieve on the field it will be in spite of and not because of Ashley. But hr sanctioned the installation of a borehole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 If he wants to stay he can, his contract runs for a year. He will take the money and the long contract just like Nolan did. Must like relegation as they will go down, no doubt Think you're directing your bitterness at the wrong people personally. No I'm not. I would have given Barton a 2 year extension as I rate him and think the club are wrong. What I find laughable is Barton tweeting about not wanting to leave then going to a shitty team like QPR. He could stay but the 80-100k p.w. on offer makes him think otherwise. you don't get it mate. The days of us acting bigger than the likes of QPR are over, and Barton has just confirmed he finds them a more attractive proposition, the same as Nolan has found West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I'm just disappointed you didn't get a chance to speak to Enrique Chez . It could've all looked so different right now if you'd have had that half hour chat with him. The one you rekoned that if you had, you could've persuaded him to stay ? Me doing a rendition of 'Please don't go' and Stevie explaining why scousers are mugs and the lad would have signed that deal. " . . . it's like this reet Jeurzay . ." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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