Amy Winehouse

[The Fish 10876]

Tbh, on today of all days when 92 families in Norway have been ripped apart through no fault of their own, I am struggling to summon up sympathy for someone who died shooting their veins full of shite despite being in rehab countless times.

 

What the fuck has that got to do with Amy Winehouse?

 

She died through her own actions, the others didnt.

So fucking tedious when people assign a hierarchy to loss.

[Rob W 0]

On friday night on radio4 Tony Bennet was on - he reckoned she was the best Jazz singer of her generation - and he sang with all the greats

[Billy Castell 0]

Junkie with dodgy lungs in premature death shock. As a musician she was vastly over rated, and as a person she was an idiot for doing hardcore drugs. Easily the least talented member of the 27 club with the exception of Janis Joplin.

 

I'd give it 3 months at the most before the Best of album, and her dad getting his face on all the chat shows again.

 

I'm now off to find a cat to strangle so I can make a quick buck pretending it is some unreleased recording.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

More famous for jacking herself up than she was her singing, RIP all the same.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

As a musician she was vastly over rated

 

That's a load of bull, and I didn't particularly rate her output. She was clearly a very talented musician, but failed to fulfill her potential because of the problems which ultimately killed her. In terms of popular artists she had one of the best voices going (I can't think of any popular artist* who can match her vocal chops and tone, when she was in an able state) and was capable of writing decent material.

 

Also, I find it sad, the way in which people take such glee in another person's misfortune - a person who was clearly in severe distress. I don't think it says much for our culture.

 

 

*I don't listen to much pop music, so feel free to correct me on that one.

Edited July 24, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt

[LoveTheBobby 1]

 

7 years ago, damn. Nice sexy Jewish girl.

 

That's Mitch man .

[LoveTheBobby 1]

 

7 years ago, damn. Nice sexy Jewish girl.

 

That's Mitch man .

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Only a raging anti-semite or a prude wouldn't hit that; you'd have to go to rehab afterwards as well, bet she was a right kinky sod.

[peasepud 59]

Also, I find it sad, the way in which people take such glee in another person's misfortune - a person who was clearly in severe distress. I don't think it says much for our culture.

I think theres a difference though, so clearly in distress that she glorified drug taking, there are distressed addicts, those living in squats, doing whatever they can to get their next fix while theres the Amy Winehouses and Pete Dohertys of this world who make a fortune out of the fact they are junkies and act like total tossers.

 

Its sad when anyone dies but frankly some people reap what they sow. We shouldnt dance a jig at the fact shes died but at the same time Im not going to lose any sleep over it.

[peasepud 59]

Only a raging anti-semite or a prude wouldn't hit that; you'd have to go to rehab afterwards as well, bet she was a right kinky sod.

would you hit this?

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Yes with a spade if I caught her anywhere near my home or children.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Also, I find it sad, the way in which people take such glee in another person's misfortune - a person who was clearly in severe distress. I don't think it says much for our culture.

I think theres a difference though, so clearly in distress that she glorified drug taking, there are distressed addicts, those living in squats, doing whatever they can to get their next fix while theres the Amy Winehouses and Pete Dohertys of this world who make a fortune out of the fact they are junkies and act like total tossers.

 

Its sad when anyone dies but frankly some people reap what they sow. We shouldnt dance a jig at the fact shes died but at the same time Im not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

I'm not losing any sleep over it either.

 

I have to take issue with the Doherty comparison: Pete Doherty cannot play any musical instrument, sing, or write songs to a standard where he could be considered a great talent. He had a talent for self-promotion and used the internet cleverly to build up a devoted fanbase who would buy his faeces if he put it up for sale. The music press then hyped him to oblivion, and his relationship with Kate Moss brought a level of media attention that his music never warranted.

 

Amy Winehouse on the other hand made a fortune out of her music and her talent. She wasn't a junkie when she was signed to her contract; her addictions appear from a distance to have been an unfortunate byproduct of her mental problems and the people she associated with. I have to say you're talking absolute shite when you say she made a fortune out of the fact she was a junkie.

[Kitman 2207]

Yes with a spade if I caught her anywhere near my home or children.

 

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Only a raging anti-semite or a prude wouldn't hit that; you'd have to go to rehab afterwards as well, bet she was a right kinky sod.

would you hit this?

 

I'm not a necrophiliac, I was referring to the pre-junkie Amy Winehouse.

[Toonraider 0]

I've just got up as we didnt get in from Snetterton until 3.30am. This is the first I heard about this! Not a big surprise though.

[peasepud 59]

I have to take issue with the Doherty comparison: Pete Doherty cannot play any musical instrument, sing, or write songs to a standard where he could be considered a great talent. He had a talent for self-promotion and used the internet cleverly to build up a devoted fanbase who would buy his faeces if he put it up for sale. The music press then hyped him to oblivion, and his relationship with Kate Moss brought a level of media attention that his music never warranted.

 

Amy Winehouse on the other hand made a fortune out of her music and her talent. She wasn't a junkie when she was signed to her contract; her addictions appear from a distance to have been an unfortunate byproduct of her mental problems and the people she associated with. I have to say you're talking absolute shite when you say she made a fortune out of the fact she was a junkie.

Doherty plays guitar and co-wrote most of the Libertines stuff and as far as I believe wrote most of the Babyshambles songs. Hes classed as good enough a singer to have colaborated with other singers. As for Winehouse not making her money out of being a junkie, whats the song shes most well known for about again?

 

As far as talent goes I think both have way more than they deserve based on the way they chose to waste it.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

I have to take issue with the Doherty comparison: Pete Doherty cannot play any musical instrument, sing, or write songs to a standard where he could be considered a great talent. He had a talent for self-promotion and used the internet cleverly to build up a devoted fanbase who would buy his faeces if he put it up for sale. The music press then hyped him to oblivion, and his relationship with Kate Moss brought a level of media attention that his music never warranted.

 

Amy Winehouse on the other hand made a fortune out of her music and her talent. She wasn't a junkie when she was signed to her contract; her addictions appear from a distance to have been an unfortunate byproduct of her mental problems and the people she associated with. I have to say you're talking absolute shite when you say she made a fortune out of the fact she was a junkie.

Doherty plays guitar and co-wrote most of the Libertines stuff and as far as I believe wrote most of the Babyshambles songs. Hes classed as good enough a singer to have colaborated with other singers. As for Winehouse not making her money out of being a junkie, whats the song shes most well known for about again?

 

As far as talent goes I think both have way more than they deserve based on the way they chose to waste it.

 

Listen pal, I know about music. Doherty's guitar playing is absolutely abysmal, the worst I've heard from anyone who makes a living as a musician. I don't say that lightly: there are examples of his playing on youtube I could point you to that substantiate this. As I said, he cannot play any instrument, "to a standard where he could be considered a great talent," by anyone who knows anything about playing musical instruments, that is. I'm well aware Doherty wrote Libertines/Babyshambles songs. That material isn't great. None of his songs captured the imagination of the fans of popular music in the way a song like 'Rehab' did. Qualitatively Winehouse's songwriting is much better than Doherty's, whose fans can only point to the occasional near-wit of, "an englishman in a baseball cap." Whoop de fucking do.

Anyone with ears and a functioning brain can tell that Amy Winehouse is so far superior a singer to the likes of Doherty as to not even warrant comparison. Winehouse used her songwriting and vocal talent to create a hit that referenced her struggle with alcoholism. Does that constitute making money out of being a junkie? Now you just sound stupid. And I can only assume your attitude and comments toward this woman stem from a deep jealousy of the wealth she accrued through her talent.

She may be dead, but she'll make more money in death than you'll ever have a sniff at, unless you win the lottery. So all that leaves you is snide comments. Type away. What a wonderful culture we live in.

Edited July 24, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

People who want to live generally don't ingest quantities of drugs that could kill an elephant.

[peasepud 59]

you lurve her dont you?

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

I'm not even particularly a fan of her music, I haven't listened to any of her albums in full. You could see her talent though, and I just think it's sad the glee people take in the misfortune of a talented person, also a diagnosed manic-depressive with all the associated baggage of addiction and so on. And I think it has everything to do with envy - all about the money. Edited July 24, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Doherty is far more talented imo and as PP said he could play more than one instrument, and co-wrote the lib's stuff with barrat and then the babyshambles stuff, that's multiple albums

 

Winehouse however has one album, whose success was largely down to the production of Mark Ronson (who i think is a twat but credit where it's due).

Back to black was out 5 years ago, Winehouse did fck all since, she had a decent voice and that was about it.

 

One album wonder, plenty of them around, and if she hadn't been in the media for being such a mess she'd have faded into non existence like any other group/artist with similar success.

(maybe Lilly Allen should take note and start snorting something for example)

 

She has 2 albums, actually.

[PaddockLad 17290]

I have to take issue with the Doherty comparison: Pete Doherty cannot play any musical instrument, sing, or write songs to a standard where he could be considered a great talent. He had a talent for self-promotion and used the internet cleverly to build up a devoted fanbase who would buy his faeces if he put it up for sale. The music press then hyped him to oblivion, and his relationship with Kate Moss brought a level of media attention that his music never warranted.

 

Amy Winehouse on the other hand made a fortune out of her music and her talent. She wasn't a junkie when she was signed to her contract; her addictions appear from a distance to have been an unfortunate byproduct of her mental problems and the people she associated with. I have to say you're talking absolute shite when you say she made a fortune out of the fact she was a junkie.

Doherty plays guitar and co-wrote most of the Libertines stuff and as far as I believe wrote most of the Babyshambles songs. Hes classed as good enough a singer to have colaborated with other singers. As for Winehouse not making her money out of being a junkie, whats the song shes most well known for about again?

 

As far as talent goes I think both have way more than they deserve based on the way they chose to waste it.

 

Listen pal, I know about music. Doherty's guitar playing is absolutely abysmal, the worst I've heard from anyone who makes a living as a musician. As I said, he cannot play any instrument, "to a standard where he could be considered a great talent," by anyone who knows anything about playing musical instruments, that is. I'm well aware Doherty wrote Libertines/Babyshambles songs. That material isn't great. None of his songs captured the imagination of the fans of popular music in the way a song like 'Rehab' did. Qualitatively Winehouse's songwriting is much better than Doherty's, whose fans can only point to the occasional near-wit of, "an englishman in a baseball cap." Whoop de fucking do.

Anyone with ears and a functioning brain can tell that Amy Winehouse is so far superior a singer to the likes of Doherty as to not even warrant comparison. Winehouse used her songwriting and vocal talent to create a hit that referenced her struggle with alcoholism. Does that constitute making money out of being a junkie? Now you just sound stupid. And I can only assume your attitude and comments toward this woman stem from a deep jealousy of the wealth she accrued through her talent.

She may be dead, but she'll make more money in death than you'll ever have a sniff at, unless you win the lottery. So all that leaves you is snide comments. Type away. What a wonderful culture we live in.

 

Do you?..are you a musician or a "just" a fan?

 

Thing is you don't need to be talented to be successful. I'd much rather listen to anything Doherty has done than anything Winehouse has done. Thats just personal taste. That doesn't mean that Doherty is more talented though does it? For me though Doherty is very much in keeping with what you might call classic English guitarist/ songwriters going back to the likes of those 2 from the Beatles, Ray Davies, the better glam bands like T Rex Slade etc through punk and new wave where you get Weller and Costello up to Noel Gallagher.. Some of these were more talented than others but they could all write good songs in what I'd call an very "English" way. Amy Winehouse was Jewish British and sang like an African American....fair enough in a way and not uncommon for someone from here to imitate the yanks, but for me she was a bit inauthentic considering her background. Maybe she just imititated what she heard growing up, which is again fair enough in a way. But she always struck me as trying a bit too hard to be something she wasnt. Put me off her a bit. But she did write good songs. She''ll be missed musically and obviously by her family a great deal. A sad loss.

 

As for the rest of your post chill the fuck out old son its Sunday lunch time

[peasepud 59]

I'm not even particularly a fan of her music, I haven't listened to any of her albums in full. You could see her talent though, and I just think it's sad the glee people take in the misfortune of a talented person, also a diagnosed manic-depressive with all the associated baggage of addiction and so on. And I think it has everything to do with envy - all about the money.

As I said in my post, I take no glee in someone dying but I do see her and Doherty in the same bracket, famous more for drugs than their music.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

(maybe Lilly Allen should take note and start snorting something for example)

 

. . I know what she can do n'arl.

 

As much of a twat as her old man.

 

Probably got a bigger cock too .

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

I have to take issue with the Doherty comparison: Pete Doherty cannot play any musical instrument, sing, or write songs to a standard where he could be considered a great talent. He had a talent for self-promotion and used the internet cleverly to build up a devoted fanbase who would buy his faeces if he put it up for sale. The music press then hyped him to oblivion, and his relationship with Kate Moss brought a level of media attention that his music never warranted.

 

Amy Winehouse on the other hand made a fortune out of her music and her talent. She wasn't a junkie when she was signed to her contract; her addictions appear from a distance to have been an unfortunate byproduct of her mental problems and the people she associated with. I have to say you're talking absolute shite when you say she made a fortune out of the fact she was a junkie.

Doherty plays guitar and co-wrote most of the Libertines stuff and as far as I believe wrote most of the Babyshambles songs. Hes classed as good enough a singer to have colaborated with other singers. As for Winehouse not making her money out of being a junkie, whats the song shes most well known for about again?

 

As far as talent goes I think both have way more than they deserve based on the way they chose to waste it.

 

Listen pal, I know about music. Doherty's guitar playing is absolutely abysmal, the worst I've heard from anyone who makes a living as a musician. As I said, he cannot play any instrument, "to a standard where he could be considered a great talent," by anyone who knows anything about playing musical instruments, that is. I'm well aware Doherty wrote Libertines/Babyshambles songs. That material isn't great. None of his songs captured the imagination of the fans of popular music in the way a song like 'Rehab' did. Qualitatively Winehouse's songwriting is much better than Doherty's, whose fans can only point to the occasional near-wit of, "an englishman in a baseball cap." Whoop de fucking do.

Anyone with ears and a functioning brain can tell that Amy Winehouse is so far superior a singer to the likes of Doherty as to not even warrant comparison. Winehouse used her songwriting and vocal talent to create a hit that referenced her struggle with alcoholism. Does that constitute making money out of being a junkie? Now you just sound stupid. And I can only assume your attitude and comments toward this woman stem from a deep jealousy of the wealth she accrued through her talent.

She may be dead, but she'll make more money in death than you'll ever have a sniff at, unless you win the lottery. So all that leaves you is snide comments. Type away. What a wonderful culture we live in.

 

Do you?..are you a musician or a "just" a fan?

 

Thing is you don't need to be talented to be successful. I'd much rather listen to anything Doherty has done than anything Winehouse has done. Thats just personal taste. That doesn't mean that Doherty is more talented though does it? For me though Doherty is very much in keeping with what you might call classic English guitarist/ songwriters going back to the likes of those 2 from the Beatles, Ray Davies, the better glam bands like T Rex Slade etc through punk and new wave where you get Weller and Costello up to Noel Gallagher.. Some of these were more talented than others but they could all write good songs in what I'd call an very "English" way. Amy Winehouse was Jewish British and sang like an African American....fair enough in a way and not uncommon for someone from here to imitate the yanks, but for me she was a bit inauthentic considering her background. Maybe she just imititated what she heard growing up, which is again fair enough in a way. But she always struck me as trying a bit too hard to be something she wasnt. Put me off her a bit. But she did write good songs. She''ll be missed musically and obviously by her family a great deal. A sad loss.

 

As for the rest of your post chill the fuck out old son its Sunday lunch time

 

I'm a musician, not a particularly talented one. If you want to quantify my ability, I can play classical pieces (guitar) of a grade 6/7 standard. I mainly play electric guitar atm though, transcribing blues records note-for-note (Freddie King, Albert King, so on). I can read and write music and know some music theory. Basically, if you put me through musical aptitude tests against your average non-musician, I would win comfortably. I'm better qualified to judge musical talent than, say, PeasePud and Ant. You can call that arrogant, but it's true.

 

Doherty's guitar playing is particularly bad. There are some musicians who play in an idiosyncratic style which isn't technically correct, but sounds great. Doherty's is just plain shit. The lyrics I don't care for. He's not worthy of comparison to Mccartney and some of the other songwriters you've listed there; even the likes of Noel Gallagher I would say are substantially more talented than Doherty. The fact is, the Libertines and Doherty built a very devoted fanbase via the internet, arranging gigs at a fan's flat and so on. That is great marketing. The music press picked up on this and hyped them a lot, it set them apart from the average shitty-indie-guitar-band that we currently see no end of. They were not a band of particular merit: the material and musicianship weren't extraordinary by any measure. They played on their hedonistic drug-fuelled image, the fans lapped it up. When Doherty started fucking Kate Moss--an important stage in every musician's career--his fame exploded rapidly. The material I've seen him promote as a solo artist, and the performances of it, have been shit. He is a person whose success has more to do with hype, fame and marketing than talent.

 

Winehouse had that voice. She had the vocal chops and was capable of writing hits. She was one of the more talented artists in current pop music*

 

*as far as I could see, I have no great knowledge of it

Edited July 24, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt