khay 10 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Let's hope he is all right and its just himself/the club being extra cautious after coming back from a bad break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21802 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 i've got a feeling ben arfa is going to be yet another newcastle player that arrives with a big reputation but ends up spending more time on the treatment table than the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Stick him in the miserable group That was supposed to be a secret. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Look, just do it, ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 i've got a feeling ben arfa is going to be yet another newcastle player that arrives with a big reputation but ends up spending more time on the treatment table than the pitch. Fuck's sake man. He's been put out of action by two poor tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21802 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 i've got a feeling ben arfa is going to be yet another newcastle player that arrives with a big reputation but ends up spending more time on the treatment table than the pitch. Fuck's sake man. He's been put out of action by two poor tackles. i know, not blaming the player in any way. it's just exactly the kind of thing that always seems to happen to us when we sign a top player. it would be typical if he ended up crocked for the majority of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Kansas haven't included the tackle in their highlights - so it must be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 0 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Kansas haven't included the tackle in their highlights - so it must be bad. Or not bad at all. Fingers firmly crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I think the tackle was terrible - but I think Ben Arfa will be fine. The club doctor said he was fine but I reckon with Hatem specifically they will be very over sensitive to his injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Kansas haven't included the tackle in their highlights - so it must be bad. Or not bad at all. It's either one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Thanks for clearing that one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 i've got a feeling ben arfa is going to be yet another newcastle player that arrives with a big reputation but ends up spending more time on the treatment table than the pitch. Anyone who carries the ball like Ben Arfa does is likely to pick up more injuries over a career tbf. Certainly in the Prem anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Looks like money well spent then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 100% of footballers on the end of the two tackles Ben Arfa endured would end up injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Bernard wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Looks like money well spent then. Yeah, never buy skilfull players basically. I'm just saying its more of an occupational hazard in his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6471 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 i've got a feeling ben arfa is going to be yet another newcastle player that arrives with a big reputation but ends up spending more time on the treatment table than the pitch. Anyone who carries the ball like Ben Arfa does is likely to pick up more injuries over a career tbf. Certainly in the Prem anyway. Jonas is a ball carrier and gets kicked to pieces too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 He doesn't carry it with as much pace as HBA. Easier to mistime a tackle at full pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 There's some stock of shite posted in here mind Messi anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 There's some stock of shite posted in here mind Messi anyone? Doesn't negate the point at all. I'm speaking in generalities, and it's true to say that if your game is like Ben Arfa's (ie dribbling with the ball at pace), you are more likely to be on the end of tackles which can cause you injury. By and large, you're in possession more, tackles are easier to miss time and the impact will be greater. Messi is a much better player, plays in a much better team (passing options) and plays in a league where that sort of player is given much more protection from the type of tackles that have laid up Ben Arfa. Tbh like, when you're trying to expose flaws in an argument, it's rarely a good idea to use the world's best player as your point of comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippealbert 0 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 There's some stock of shite posted in here mind Messi anyone? Doesn't negate the point at all. I'm speaking in generalities, and it's true to say that if your game is like Ben Arfa's (ie dribbling with the ball at pace), you are more likely to be on the end of tackles which can cause you injury. By and large, you're in possession more, tackles are easier to miss time and the impact will be greater. Messi is a much better player, plays in a much better team (passing options) and plays in a league where that sort of player is given much more protection from the type of tackles that have laid up Ben Arfa. Tbh like, when you're trying to expose flaws in an argument, it's rarely a good idea to use the world's best player as your point of comparison. especially when you consider that Messi does tend to get the absolute shit kicked out of him, hes been one of if the not most fouled player in the champions league for the last few seasons but a mixture of luck and his supreme ability to ride tackles carries him through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Messi also had to have hormone treatments as a child to stimulate his growth; Barcelona provided this at their top facilities which included coating his skeleton with titanium steel. He has a more plodding dribbling style than HBA which means he is less susceptible to injury, whereas HBA is dainty-footed and has smaller bones which are more brittle. I think these are some really strong points. Edited July 21, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 There's some stock of shite posted in here mind Messi anyone? Doesn't negate the point at all. I'm speaking in generalities, and it's true to say that if your game is like Ben Arfa's (ie dribbling with the ball at pace), you are more likely to be on the end of tackles which can cause you injury. By and large, you're in possession more, tackles are easier to miss time and the impact will be greater. Messi is a much better player, plays in a much better team (passing options) and plays in a league where that sort of player is given much more protection from the type of tackles that have laid up Ben Arfa. Tbh like, when you're trying to expose flaws in an argument, it's rarely a good idea to use the world's best player as your point of comparison. Ronaldo, Taarabt, Jonas, Duff in his prime, Gillespie. You're still talking shite. The speed a player runs with the ball has fuck all to do with his succeptability to injury. Shola's like a cart horse and he gets his fair share of injuries. You're average CM will get tackled more than Ben Arfa, look at how hard Parker gets hit in the tackle. It's down to an individuals musco-skeletal make up as to how much they get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 There's some stock of shite posted in here mind Messi anyone? Doesn't negate the point at all. I'm speaking in generalities, and it's true to say that if your game is like Ben Arfa's (ie dribbling with the ball at pace), you are more likely to be on the end of tackles which can cause you injury. By and large, you're in possession more, tackles are easier to miss time and the impact will be greater. Messi is a much better player, plays in a much better team (passing options) and plays in a league where that sort of player is given much more protection from the type of tackles that have laid up Ben Arfa. Tbh like, when you're trying to expose flaws in an argument, it's rarely a good idea to use the world's best player as your point of comparison. Ronaldo, Taarabt, Jonas, Duff in his prime, Gillespie. You're still talking shite. The speed a player runs with the ball has fuck all to do with his succeptability to injury. Shola's like a cart horse and he gets his fair share of injuries. You're average CM will get tackled more than Ben Arfa, look at how hard Parker gets hit in the tackle. It's down to an individuals musco-skeletal make up as to how much they get injured. I don't remember saying it was the only factor, and as KSA rightly points out if the player is made of titanium steel, that also has a bearing. If you're honestly debating the fact of a potential heightened risk factor though I think you're making yourself look daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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