Tom 14013 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, Are you kidding? There are a handful of countries in Europe that aren't fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, Are you kidding? There are a handful of countries in Europe that aren't fucked. Yeah, but with Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland all in shit situation you never know. I think that the influence of Germany (mostly), France and Britain will actually help the Eurozone vastly in a union, but still theres enough countries in the mire to argue it could go to shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4852 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 TBH, the whole Greece thing could be sorted out if Europe had some sort of financial union, I know it's not a popular idea but I PERSONALLY think it'd help if we put all our eggs in one basket. The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, as opposed to the rest bringing them up. On a similar note, I was thinking earlier how crazy it'd be if that Anglo-Franco Union had worked in the 50's . Also I have no figures or actual proof that a financial union would work, it's just pie in the sky and no doubt someone here with better knowledge of economics will shoot me down. Surely it must be considered though? Wasnt that communism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 TBH, the whole Greece thing could be sorted out if Europe had some sort of financial union, I know it's not a popular idea but I PERSONALLY think it'd help if we put all our eggs in one basket. The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, as opposed to the rest bringing them up. On a similar note, I was thinking earlier how crazy it'd be if that Anglo-Franco Union had worked in the 50's . Also I have no figures or actual proof that a financial union would work, it's just pie in the sky and no doubt someone here with better knowledge of economics will shoot me down. Surely it must be considered though? Wasnt that communism? So Ted Heath who signed the treaty of Rome and Thatcher who signed the single European act were communists now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, Are you kidding? There are a handful of countries in Europe that aren't fucked. Yeah, but with Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland all in shit situation you never know. I think that the influence of Germany (mostly), France and Britain will actually help the Eurozone vastly in a union, but still theres enough countries in the mire to argue it could go to shit. We are one of the fucked countries surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, Are you kidding? There are a handful of countries in Europe that aren't fucked. Yeah, but with Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland all in shit situation you never know. I think that the influence of Germany (mostly), France and Britain will actually help the Eurozone vastly in a union, but still theres enough countries in the mire to argue it could go to shit. We are one of the fucked countries surely? Yeah but so are most people in Europe in that respect, ours is relatively sustainable though and there's a reason we're contributing towards bailouts and not receiving them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, Are you kidding? There are a handful of countries in Europe that aren't fucked. Yeah, but with Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland all in shit situation you never know. I think that the influence of Germany (mostly), France and Britain will actually help the Eurozone vastly in a union, but still theres enough countries in the mire to argue it could go to shit. We are one of the fucked countries surely? Yeah but so are most people in Europe in that respect, ours is relatively sustainable though and there's a reason we're contributing towards bailouts and not receiving them. ??? Enlighten us....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, Are you kidding? There are a handful of countries in Europe that aren't fucked. Yeah, but with Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland all in shit situation you never know. I think that the influence of Germany (mostly), France and Britain will actually help the Eurozone vastly in a union, but still theres enough countries in the mire to argue it could go to shit. We are one of the fucked countries surely? Yeah but so are most people in Europe in that respect, ours is relatively sustainable though and there's a reason we're contributing towards bailouts and not receiving them. ??? Enlighten us....... Didn't we pay 4 billion dollars towards Ireland? Unless you mean the reason, i'd say because we have one of the biggest economies in the world, don't have an insane amount of tax dodgers (Greece's is crazy), started cuts before it was too late and are slowly working away at the debt. Why do you have a different opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 don't have an insane amount of tax dodgers You keep on giving don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 don't have an insane amount of tax dodgers You keep on giving don't you? Note the word insane mein freund . In Greece almost everyone fiddles somewhere to avoid paying tax, it's just how it is. Over here most people do pay! I know the entire rich bitches in tax havens bullshit and that but key word majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 189 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, Are you kidding? There are a handful of countries in Europe that aren't fucked. Yeah, but with Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland all in shit situation you never know. I think that the influence of Germany (mostly), France and Britain will actually help the Eurozone vastly in a union, but still theres enough countries in the mire to argue it could go to shit. We are one of the fucked countries surely? Yeah but so are most people in Europe in that respect, ours is relatively sustainable though and there's a reason we're contributing towards bailouts and not receiving them. ??? Enlighten us....... Didn't we pay 4 billion dollars towards Ireland? Unless you mean the reason, i'd say because we have one of the biggest economies in the world, don't have an insane amount of tax dodgers (Greece's is crazy), started cuts before it was too late and are slowly working away at the debt. Why do you have a different opinion? Had on, so what youre saying is that BECAUSE we play by the rules we should fork out for every other fucka that cannit be bothered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 don't have an insane amount of tax dodgers You keep on giving don't you? Note the word insane mein freund . In Greece almost everyone fiddles somewhere to avoid paying tax, it's just how it is. Over here most people do pay! I know the entire rich bitches in tax havens bullshit and that but key word majority. When Greece reaches about £100bn a year in tax evasion/avoidance come back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The potential problem being that Greece could bring the rest of us down, Are you kidding? There are a handful of countries in Europe that aren't fucked. Yeah, but with Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland all in shit situation you never know. I think that the influence of Germany (mostly), France and Britain will actually help the Eurozone vastly in a union, but still theres enough countries in the mire to argue it could go to shit. We are one of the fucked countries surely? Yeah but so are most people in Europe in that respect, ours is relatively sustainable though and there's a reason we're contributing towards bailouts and not receiving them. ??? Enlighten us....... Didn't we pay 4 billion dollars towards Ireland? Unless you mean the reason, i'd say because we have one of the biggest economies in the world, don't have an insane amount of tax dodgers (Greece's is crazy), started cuts before it was too late and are slowly working away at the debt. Why do you have a different opinion? Had on, so what youre saying is that BECAUSE we play by the rules we should fork out for every other fucka that cannit be bothered? No, i'm saying we should have a union between us, helping everyone to get out of the shit. The EU has the largest combined economy in the world, it would be a lot easier to get out of this together than apart, and it'd probably cost a lot less too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Chez called this one. 1 point to Chez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 don't have an insane amount of tax dodgers You keep on giving don't you? Note the word insane mein freund . In Greece almost everyone fiddles somewhere to avoid paying tax, it's just how it is. Over here most people do pay! I know the entire rich bitches in tax havens bullshit and that but key word majority. When Greece reaches about £100bn a year in tax evasion/avoidance come back to me. To be fair Greeces population is about a fifth of ours, and I don't know what theirs is overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 In Scoop, Evelyn Waugh's brilliant satire on the press, there is the moment when Lord Copper, owner of the Daily Beast, meets his new special war correspondent, William Boot, in truth an authority on wild flowers and birdsong. A confused Boot is ushered into his lordship's presence by Mr Salter, the Beast's foreign editor. “Is Mr Boot all set for his trip?" “Up to a point, Lord Copper." Copper briefs Boot as follows: "A few sharp victories, some conspicuous acts of personal bravery on the Patriot side and a colourful entry into the capital. That is the Beast policy for the war . . . We shall expect the first victory about the middle of July." Rupert Murdoch is a 21st-century Lord Copper. The amusing gentility is missing; the absurdity of his power is the same. The Daily Beast wanted victories; it got them. The Sun wanted dead Argies; gotcha! Of the bloodbath in Iraq, Murdoch said: "There is going to be collateral damage, and if you really want to be brutal about it, better we get it done now . . ." The Times, the Sunday Times, Fox got it done. Corporate monoculture Long before it was possible to hack phones, Murdoch was waging a war on journalism, truth, humanity, and succeeded because he knew how to exploit a system that welcomed his devotion to the "free market". He may be more extreme in his methods, but he is no different in kind from many of those now lining up to condemn him who have been his beneficiaries, mimics, collaborators, apologists. As Gordon Brown turns on his former master, accusing him of running a "criminal-media nexus", watch the palpable discomfort in the new parliamentary-media consensus. "We must not be backward-looking," said a Labour MP. Those parliamentarians caught two years ago with both hands in the Westminster till, who did nothing to stop the killing of hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq, and stood and cheered the war criminal responsible, are now "united" behind the "calm" figure of Ed Miliband. There is an acrid smell of business as usual. Certainly, there is no "revolution", as reported in the Guardian, which compared the fall of Murdoch with that of the tyrant Nicolae Ceausescu in Romania in 1989. The overexcitement is understandable; Nick Davies's scoop is a great one. Yet the truth is, Britain's system of elite monopoly control of the media rests not on News International alone, but on the Mail and the Guardian and the BBC, perhaps the most influential of all. All share a corporate monoculture that sets the agenda of the "news", defines acceptable politics by maintaining the fiction of distinctive parties, normalises unpopular wars and guards the limits of "free speech". This will be strengthened by the illusion that a "bad apple" has been "rooted out". When the Financial Times complained last September that the BSkyB takeover would give Murdoch dominance in Britain, the media commentator Roy Greenslade came to his rescue. "Surely," he wrote, "Britain's leading business newspaper should be applauding an entrepreneur who has achieved so much from unpromising beginnings?" Murdoch's political control was a myth spread by "naive commentators". Noting his own "idealism" about journalism, Greenslade made no mention of his history on the Sun, or as Robert Maxwell's Daily Mirror editor responsible for the shameful smear that the miners' leader Arthur Scargill was corrupt. (To his credit, he apologised in 2002.) Greenslade is now a professor of journalism at City University, London. In his Guardian blog of 17 July, he caught the breeze and proposed that Murdoch explain "the climate you created". How many of the political and media chorus now calling for Murdoch's head remained silent over the years as his papers repeatedly attacked the most vulnerable in society? Impoverished single mothers have been a favourite target of tax-avoiding News International. Who in the so-called media village demanded the sacking of Kelvin MacKenzie as Sun editor following his attacks on the dead and dying in the Hillsborough stadium tragedy of 1989? The kowtowing class This was an episode as debased as the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone, yet MacKenzie is frequently feted on the BBC and in the liberal press as a "witty" tabloid genius who "understands the ordinary punter". Such vicarious middle-class flirtation with Wapping-life is matched by admiration for the successful Murdoch "marketing model". In Andrew Neil's 470-page book Full Disclosure, the former editor of Murdoch's Sunday Times devotes fewer than 30 words to the scurrilous and destructive smear campaign that he and his Wapping colleagues conducted against the broadcasters who made the 1988 Thames Television programme Death on the Rock. This landmark, fully vindicated investigation lifted the veil on the British secret state and exposed its ruthlessness under Margaret Thatcher, a confidante of Murdoch's. Thereafter, Thames Television was doomed. Yet Neil has his own BBC programme and his views are sought after across the liberal media. The Guardian of 13 July editorialised about "the kowtowing of the political class to the Murdochs". This is all too true. Kowtowing is an ancient ritual, often performed by those whose pacts with power may n ot be immediately obvious, but are no less sulphuric. Tony Blair, soaked in the blood of an entire society, was once regarded almost mystically at the Guardian and Observer as the prime minister who, wrote Hugo Young, "wants to create a world none of us have known [where] the mind might range in search of a better Britain . . ." He was in perfect harmony with the chorus over at Wapping. "Mr Blair," said the Sun, "has vision, he has purpose and he speaks our language on morality and family life." Plus ça change. http://www.newstatesman.com/newspapers/201...och-media-press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 The Sun wanted dead Argies; gotcha! Of the bloodbath in Iraq, Murdoch said: "There is going to be collateral damage, and if you really want to be brutal about it, better we get it done now . . ." The Times, the Sunday Times, Fox got it done. I can see why Hitch left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4852 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Now Trinity Mirror launches review into practises after phone hacking scandal........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 http://www.newstatesman.com/newspapers/201...och-media-press Good article that. Thoroughly depressing like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15740 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Wonder how much there is behind this. All seems a bit vague, but I don't imagine they'd run the story if they weren't reasonably sure... http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/2...ing-sarah-payne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Is Piers Morgan in actual danger or is that likely to blow over? Saw summat the other day. Wishful thinking but I actually want it to be true in his case, the massive twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I think it's pretty clear Brooks, Coulson and Morgan knew about all this. Their claims of igorance are frankly rediculous and unpleasant. There's an old interview with Morgan that's resurfaced where he's talking about widespread illegality in the press, they were all well aware of it. If Brooks and Coulson and the Murdochs get away scott free it'll be an absolute disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 They reckon Brooks gave Sarah Payne's mother a phone as a ''gift'' which was subsequently hacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31229 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Giving her the phone that they're going to hack. If it weren't so evil it'd be genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Its just outrageous. In other news, Maddie McCann has been found in India. Edited July 28, 2011 by ChezGiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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