Striking Snivel Servants

[NJS 4375]

The answer lies in improved pensions for the private sector

 

The funding for which is coming from where exactly?

The wide-boys who ran the Life and Pensions industry in the 80s and 90s have a lot to answer for - they signed people up on 13% growth rate illustrations which now surprisingly look like the con they were.

 

Indeed they do. Still doesn't answer where the funding is going to come from today though.

 

Unfortunately it puts the onus back on the individual to make their own provision.

[Happy Face 29]

People asking how you fund it are ignoring the massive transfer of wealth to the richest people in the country.

 

Taxation as a proportion of GDP is low. In Denmark and France it's over 50%, in the euro area it's 49% in the UK it's just over 40%.

 

Corporation tax started at 40% in the 60s, it went up to 45% then 52% by the 70's. It was down to just 30% in 2001, was then 28% and dropped to 26% in April, half the previous level.

 

Half of the UK population now own just 1% of the country's cash, while the wealthiest 20% own 84% of Britain's wealth. And the highest earning 10% of households have a total wealth of nearly 100 times the bottom 10%.

 

That's the trend that should stop. It won't though, worsening public pensions will lead to worsening private pensions. Eventually there'll be no private employers making ANY contributions whatsoever, after all, why should they pay for someone not to work after retirement. It's a disgrace.

Edited July 1, 2011 by Happy Face

[Happy Face 29]

I know they're complaining about their pensions but haven't seen any details as to what they're being offered and how that compares to the private sector.

 

 

Well wor lass aint on strike today (teacher, wrong union tho) but quite a few of her colleagues are. Basically they are being asked to pay in more for a lower final ammount. "Had on" I hear you cry, "that sounds terrible". Well it would be if their pension wouldnt STILL be better than the best private sector pensions.

 

No sympathy for em'. As LTB said, get in the real fuckin world peeps!! Every fucka else is having to make cuts and savings so why not your fuckin lot?

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This TBH.

 

I got fucked over with my final salary pension about 5 years ago and then again a couple of years back. I pay more in, I'll work longer and I'll get less out of it. When I discussed it at the time with people I know working public sector, the attitude was along the lines of "tough shit, that's what you get for working in the private sector".

 

What goes around, comes around. I've fuck all sympathy and it's time they got fucking real.

 

Never understood the "Your public pension deserves to be as shit as my private pension" attitude.

 

Surely private pensions should be improved, not the other way round.

 

Oh...and we aren't all facing tough times Axman. those in the highest tax bracket aren't being asked to tighten their belts one iota. It's this tax bracket that holds most of the people that got us into the current shitstorm....most of whom have superb private pensions.

 

Wouldn't that be fantastic? Not economically realistic in the least though.

 

And my attitude isn't that at all. I just fail to see why I should have to sympathise with those who effectively pointed and laughed some years previously.

 

When state pension was introduced in this country, life expectancy was considerably lower - around 68/69. People were expected to work until 65 and then have a retirement of 3 to 4 years - more if they were lucky but lets face it many never made it to retirement age.

 

As time has progressed, life expectancy and the population has increased but the pensionable age has remained at 65 - consequently the costs have escalated way beyond inflation and action has had to be taken in order to try to effect some level of sustainability. Many people have a retirement which can last 20-25 years.

 

The question I have yet to see suitably & convincingly answerwed by those organising this industrial action is what is the viable alternative? What do they expect instead. The argument I heard on the news this morning was "well the government have u-turned on other decisions so why not with this?" Cracking argument.

 

See above.

 

Taxation.

[Park Life 71]

Funny how the same people whingeing about the teachers are the same people who wouldn't do the job if you paid them double.

 

As a household consisting of a teacher and a nurse we are bound to be biased, but people have no fucking idea about half of what our jobs entail.

 

 

Germans paying 400-500 month health insurance soon woke me upto the great thing the NHS is.

[CleeToonFan 1]

Just finished Sixth Form. Teachers are the laziest workers i've ever come across (obviously not that i've had a lot of working experience ). My history teacher just copied wikipedia, put it in booklets and made us "revise" it, but she did have to mark essays every 2 weeks, how did she do it! English teachers are the only ones I respected. 70% of teachers don't deserve the money they get, and that's from someone who knows more about it than most private sector (and biased public sector) employees like.

[TheMoog 0]

I'm not a teacher but judging by some of the gobby little pricks that come through my company for apprenticeships when they leave school I'd say teaching is a pretty difficult job and some of these teachers must have the patience of a saint nowadays - it's easier for me to slap the little fuckers down when they start acting up in a working environment that's for sure.

[CleeToonFan 1]

I'm not a teacher but judging by some of the gobby little pricks that come through my company for apprenticeships when they leave school I'd say teaching is a pretty difficult job and some of these teachers must have the patience of a saint nowadays - it's easier for me to slap the little fuckers down when they start acting up in a working environment that's for sure.

Good teachers are respected, by even the stupid kids. Bad ones (majority) aren't and run amok. Bad teachers help create those little fuckers. Secondary school teaching is the hardest, but the ones in Sixth Form etc get an easy enough ride, and they're still wank. Obviously i'm not saying this about all teachers, but my point is, the vast majority of them are awful (from a student who isn't one of those nobheads that lives to give them a hard time.) I just hope University gives me good professors.

[TheMoog 0]

I'm not a teacher but judging by some of the gobby little pricks that come through my company for apprenticeships when they leave school I'd say teaching is a pretty difficult job and some of these teachers must have the patience of a saint nowadays - it's easier for me to slap the little fuckers down when they start acting up in a working environment that's for sure.

Good teachers are respected, by even the stupid kids. Bad ones (majority) aren't and run amok. Bad teachers help create those little fuckers. Secondary school teaching is the hardest, but the ones in Sixth Form etc get an easy enough ride, and they're still wank. Obviously i'm not saying this about all teachers, but my point is, the vast majority of them are awful (from a student who isn't one of those nobheads that lives to give them a hard time.) I just hope University gives me good professors.

 

Hmm, not sure I agree with that, not entirely anyways. I put the majority of the poor behaviour from kids down to a complete lack of discipline from their parents or the system, teachers seem to have their hands tied today, though that in itself does breed a standard of teacher who isn't firm enough.

[CleeToonFan 1]

I'm not a teacher but judging by some of the gobby little pricks that come through my company for apprenticeships when they leave school I'd say teaching is a pretty difficult job and some of these teachers must have the patience of a saint nowadays - it's easier for me to slap the little fuckers down when they start acting up in a working environment that's for sure.

Good teachers are respected, by even the stupid kids. Bad ones (majority) aren't and run amok. Bad teachers help create those little fuckers. Secondary school teaching is the hardest, but the ones in Sixth Form etc get an easy enough ride, and they're still wank. Obviously i'm not saying this about all teachers, but my point is, the vast majority of them are awful (from a student who isn't one of those nobheads that lives to give them a hard time.) I just hope University gives me good professors.

 

Hmm, not sure I agree with that, not entirely anyways. I put the majority of the poor behaviour from kids down to a complete lack of discipline from their parents or the system, teachers seem to have their hands tied today, though that in itself does breed a standard of teacher who isn't firm enough.

Obviously, but teaching standards do contribute, it's not the be all and end all, but it does have an effect. For example, I was in the top sets so didn't get many of these kids in my classes. However in year 9 my school had a weird system of mixing the groups for the "lesser" subjects (the ones not English, Maths and Science). For most lessons the other kids brought the lessons down completely, but I had a great RE teacher, who was firm but didn't patronize and was good at teaching. I'd get out of every RE lesson having learnt something, and it's not like RE is a subject kids like is it? Lazy teachers see bad classes, and think "Fuck it, let's chill out and let em go wild". Good teachers see them and try to interest them, and not let them get out of control. The latter is a dying breed.

[Rob W 0]

People asking how you fund it are ignoring the massive transfer of wealth to the richest people in the country.

 

Taxation as a proportion of GDP is low. In Denmark and France it's over 50%, in the euro area it's 49% in the UK it's just over 40%.

 

Corporation tax started at 40% in the 60s, it went up to 45% then 52% by the 70's. It was down to just 30% in 2001, was then 28% and dropped to 26% in April, half the previous level.

 

Half of the UK population now own just 1% of the country's cash, while the wealthiest 20% own 84% of Britain's wealth. And the highest earning 10% of households have a total wealth of nearly 100 times the bottom 10%.

 

That's the trend that should stop. It won't though, worsening public pensions will lead to worsening private pensions. Eventually there'll be no private employers making ANY contributions whatsoever, after all, why should they pay for someone not to work after retirement. It's a disgrace.

 

 

which Party is in favour of increasing the basic rate of tax? None of them cos they are scared they'll get hammered at the polls

[LeazesMag 0]

People asking how you fund it are ignoring the massive transfer of wealth to the richest people in the country.

 

Taxation as a proportion of GDP is low. In Denmark and France it's over 50%, in the euro area it's 49% in the UK it's just over 40%.

 

Corporation tax started at 40% in the 60s, it went up to 45% then 52% by the 70's. It was down to just 30% in 2001, was then 28% and dropped to 26% in April, half the previous level.

 

Half of the UK population now own just 1% of the country's cash, while the wealthiest 20% own 84% of Britain's wealth. And the highest earning 10% of households have a total wealth of nearly 100 times the bottom 10%.

 

That's the trend that should stop. It won't though, worsening public pensions will lead to worsening private pensions. Eventually there'll be no private employers making ANY contributions whatsoever, after all, why should they pay for someone not to work after retirement. It's a disgrace.

 

 

which Party is in favour of increasing the basic rate of tax? None of them cos they are scared they'll get hammered at the polls

 

that is right, but so is HF.

 

So their alternative is cuts to public services etc, good old Dave. The Tories have always wanted to cut public services, now they have found an excuse.

 

Good public services is worth paying tax for.

 

An over-populated country isn't helping matters, but that is entrenched, who's fault is that ?

Edited July 3, 2011 by LeazesMag