LeazesMag 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Elements of the culture are fucked up where women are expected to be virgins whereas blokes are expected to know what they are doing - having said that there was a similar view when I grew up although reality was a bit different. If you uproot a culture that has those views then there are bound to be conflicts where blokes see women who aren't part of their community as fair game - of course if it was just blokes going out on the pull reflecting how locals do it then I'd actually think it was a good thing as that would be a form of integration. However targeting vulnerable young lasses - usually victims of broken homes is fucking evil. Having said all that and with recognising it as a problem the actual data was pretty flawed. sorry NJS, but that wishy washy stuff you say there is the whole point Stevie is making here. Eh? I specifically describe the targetting of young lasses as evil and I'm wishy-washy? I honestly don't believe you can read. difficult to tell with you sometimes, when you also talk about "flawed data" and making excuses for their culture. The point surely being that, such attitudes are incompatible with ours and recognise it and firmly keep the door closed. Is my view anyway, rather than show "understanding". Same as Fish. What does it matter what they do in Pakistan ? They are here now. Well if you did explain what your issue is, I don't mind replying but a simple "you're wrong" isn't very helpful. There are problems with the data which mean the picture isn't as clear as it looks at first glance but that doesn't mean I don't accept that there is a problem - as I said. You should also realise that if 26% of cases do involve Asians that means 74% involve the rest so any attempt to imply that the problem is unique to that group is wrong. When you mention "our attitudes" it suggests that no native British men ever do this shit which is bollocks and of course the vast majority of Asians will think this prectice is wrong as well. It's these generalisations that people object to - you imply that those who aren't terrorists at least sympathise with the cause, now you imply that a sizeable proportion of Asian men as a whole are abusers which is bullshit. You also mention what happens in Pakistan not mattering which I accept but it shows that you think all Asians/Muslims are first generation immigrants which isn't the case - my point is that there is no overnight switch to force integration that you wish for - it will be to a large extent a natural process much like it has been for West Indians. I do think it will take longer for Asians due to their culture but it will happen as thats what humans do - probably not in your or my lifetime but eventually. Of course I realise you wish they wern't here at all which to some extent when it comes to Pakistanis I agree with you but they are here and adopting an attitude of mistrust won't help anyone. see, its when you come up with this sort of statistical stuff that you are attempting to appease and find excuses - 74% "do" in no way justifies the 26% that "don't" . Likewise "first generation immigrants", you are constantly looking for ways in which you think we should "accept" this sort of stuff. Basically it isn't acceptable, at the end of the day, what you are doing - you might call it "educating" but in reality it is watering down our own standards and values. The simplest way would have been not to throw open our immigration doors so wide in the first place, and leaving them wide open is not going to do anything more than increase the problem. Even when you say "it will take longer for Asians due to their culture", you completely miss the point that - and I'm not talking about this particular question but integration generally - they do not WANT to adapt and if they don't want to, then they won't do it. No - 74% of abusers are not Asian - do you really think 26% of Asians abuse kids? I don't accept child abuse in any form - what I'm saying is that your implication that our culture is fine and theirs is wrong is on this issue bollocks - there are abusers of all types - if there is a dispropotionate number from one area then it should be addressed but that doesn't get away from the fact that hundreds of white blokes have abused kids as well - what's their "excuse" if you can't put it down to them being from the wrong culture? There are a shit load of immigrants who want to and have integrated. That doesn't mean there aren't a load who could do more but again its your suggestion that "they're all the same" that opens you to the obvious accusations. Please tell me where I have suggested "they are all the same" ? Ever. If you can't see that we are the soft touch of the world so far as immigration is concerned, and can't recognise the social and economic cost, you have a serious problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4389 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Please tell me where I have suggested "they are all the same" ? Ever. If you can't see that we are the soft touch of the world so far as immigration is concerned, and can't recognise the social and economic cost, you have a serious problem. Almost every time you mention Muslims you refer to bombing or terrorism - when it was pointed out that that leaflet actually came from an organisation that condemned terrorism you posted something about "that won't help when the fuckers bomb you". Even above you imply that the majority of immigrants don't want to integrate - as I said complete and utter bollocks. There are a stubborn number who do match that view but they obviously stand out making you ignore those who are fine. On social and economic cost I could point you at studies which show immigration on the whole has a positive economic benefit but it would be pointless - you would just dismiss it as being trumped by your "life experience". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30682 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Not really surprising, I've noticed that a lot of the prostitution gangs you see on the news tend to be Asian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Please tell me where I have suggested "they are all the same" ? Ever. If you can't see that we are the soft touch of the world so far as immigration is concerned, and can't recognise the social and economic cost, you have a serious problem. Almost every time you mention Muslims you refer to bombing or terrorism - when it was pointed out that that leaflet actually came from an organisation that condemned terrorism you posted something about "that won't help when the fuckers bomb you". Even above you imply that the majority of immigrants don't want to integrate - as I said complete and utter bollocks. There are a stubborn number who do match that view but they obviously stand out making you ignore those who are fine. On social and economic cost I could point you at studies which show immigration on the whole has a positive economic benefit but it would be pointless - you would just dismiss it as being trumped by your "life experience". why don't you look at "studies" which show a rising population, rising economic and social problems, and underfunded public services ? But of course, in your eyes, every immigrant who comes to the UK is happy to learn the language, integrate into the cultures of the country, look for a job, work for a living, and comply with the laws of the country and live a civilised life and those who don't understand this will be "educated", which will be paid for by who exactly from where ? And all because the Guardian, or the college lecturer said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I love Leazes' use of quotation marks. "planning" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I love Leazes' use of quotation marks. "planning" wft are you blabbing about ? I do hope you aren't going to start harping on about how the previous regime of Newcastle United only needed a "plan" to conquer the world, because all they needed was a "plan" and didn't have a "plan". Something like that..... Stop derailing the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I love Leazes' use of quotation marks. "planning" wft are you blabbing about ? I do hope you aren't going to start harping on about how the previous regime of Newcastle United only needed a "plan" to conquer the world, because all they needed was a "plan" and didn't have a "plan". Something like that..... Stop derailing the thread. I'm not harping on about anything, you "illiterate" "retard". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I love Leazes' use of quotation marks. "planning" wft are you blabbing about ? I do hope you aren't going to start harping on about how the previous regime of Newcastle United only needed a "plan" to conquer the world, because all they needed was a "plan" and didn't have a "plan". Something like that..... Stop derailing the thread. I'm not harping on about anything, you "illiterate" "retard". your "superiority" "complex" is showing again "doc". So stop spouting shite. Nowt wrong with you actually giving your opinion on this, instead of making personal remarks, I thought you were supposed to be a "clever" lad and wouldn't stoop so "low", being so "superior" ? FWIW, I think my "remarks" are correct, but of course my college lecturer didn't brainwash me with rubbish when I was an impressionable student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15561 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Please tell me where I have suggested "they are all the same" ? Ever. Two posts ago: Even when you say "it will take longer for Asians due to their culture", you completely miss the point that - and I'm not talking about this particular question but integration generally - they do not WANT to adapt and if they don't want to, then they won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Please tell me where I have suggested "they are all the same" ? Ever. Two posts ago: Even when you say "it will take longer for Asians due to their culture", you completely miss the point that - and I'm not talking about this particular question but integration generally - they do not WANT to adapt and if they don't want to, then they won't do it. to clarify. I mean the many thousands [or more], not the 2 or 3 that some people seem to think is all it is ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15561 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Please tell me where I have suggested "they are all the same" ? Ever. Two posts ago: Even when you say "it will take longer for Asians due to their culture", you completely miss the point that - and I'm not talking about this particular question but integration generally - they do not WANT to adapt and if they don't want to, then they won't do it. to clarify. I mean the many thousands [or more], not the 2 or 3 that some people seem to think is all it is ...... Ah, so that's what you meant when you quoted "Asians", called them "they" and talked about "integration generally". Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 where did this thread start going wrong ? Ah, when the doctor with the "superior intellect" made an immature and very "Jeremy Kyle show" type comment, which had nothing to do with the thread. We should be in awe of him. In the meantime, call the thread-hijacker police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Please tell me where I have suggested "they are all the same" ? Ever. Two posts ago: Even when you say "it will take longer for Asians due to their culture", you completely miss the point that - and I'm not talking about this particular question but integration generally - they do not WANT to adapt and if they don't want to, then they won't do it. to clarify. I mean the many thousands [or more], not the 2 or 3 that some people seem to think is all it is ...... Ah, so that's what you meant when you quoted "Asians", called them "they" and talked about "integration generally". Thanks for the clarification. yep. "They " [generally speaking ie a large number of "them"] don't actually WANT to adapt. You don't need to voice comments to be in sympathy with a certain sort of view. However, I'm sure "people" on here, especially those with a "superior education" [so they think] will think they know best because they read it in a left wing publication or were told it by someone who thinks studying medicine [for example] makes them an expert on world politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 whereas of course Leazes is willing to adapt without any issues........................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Reminds me of that Friends episode where Joey tries to use air quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Reminds me of that Friends episode where Joey tries to use air quotes. for someone so intelligent , you've made an enormous contribution to the topic of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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