Aeris 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Ben Arfa lacks the vision of marveaux? lol wise up I do believe he lacks the team-vision for setting up others in the way Marv does... or are you gonna prove me otherwise, my smelly irish friend? I didn't say that he lacked vision either, he has good vision for creating excellent individual performances, but maybe just not as focused on using it for team purposes and setting up others. Edited March 11, 2013 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4851 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I do believe he lacks the team-vision for setting up others in the way Marv does... or are you gonna prove me otherwise, my smelly irish friend? I agree with you but it's not as black and white as those saying rubbish. It's just more of an instinct thing IMO. HBA knows what he can do, particularly dribbling and that will usually be his first instinct. Marveaux first instinct is to advance the attack by passing. Be lovely to have both firing in the same team. Having someone up with attack who also has a very quick brain would make HBA even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46088 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 CT and Aeris agree on something? Let's just file that in the bin marked UNMITIGATED BULLSHIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Do either of you realise that Ben Arfa provided an impressive number of chances for Benzema when they played together at Lyon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4851 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 CT and Aeris agree on something? Let's just file that in the bin marked UNMITIGATED BULLSHIT. No doubt to busy power washing your drive to watch the match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Do either of you realise that Ben Arfa provided an impressive number of chances for Benzema when they played together at Lyon? Don't know much about his Lyon career tbh, I was like too young even for that I'm probably not the only one on this forum who doesn't know much about how he did in Lyon though.... however what he does in this club, here and now is what counts for me Edited March 11, 2013 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ben Arfa is better than Marveaux in every conceivable aspect of footballing ability. That's not slighting Marv, it's just a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Don't know much about his Lyon career tbh, I was like too young even for that I'm probably not the only one on this forum who doesn't know much about how he did in Lyon though.... however what he does in this club, here and now is what counts for me Yeah, but you're suggesting that he lacks vision. This is demonstrably untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3982 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Yeah, but you're suggesting that he lacks vision. This is demonstrably untrue. If it is "demonstrably untrue" go on then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ben Arfa is better than Marveaux in every conceivable aspect of footballing ability. That's not slighting Marv, it's just a fact. you bombastic cunt, thats bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 You're very abusive today Aeris. Reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Your forgetting we had Cisse AND Ba then Ba wasn't much better from crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 You're very abusive today Aeris. Reported. reported?...oh noooo thats terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Yeah, but you're suggesting that he lacks vision. This is demonstrably untrue. There are some mental aspects of attacking team-play where I have a reason to believe Marv might be having certain advantages over Ben Arfa, regarding the central playmaker role. If we had a situation where we could only choose one of the two, something we don't have since they favor different positions, I'd still choose Ben-Arfa any day though since it would mean a bigger certainty of scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4851 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ba wasn't much better from crosses. Cos the crosses were shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Marveaux has a heart the size of a pea, and that will always prevent him from being a long term success. A short cameo with an assist is one thing - doing it over and over again is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 If it is "demonstrably untrue" go on then. League App Goals OG Ass Y 2Y R Sub Sub Off MpG MpA Minutes Ligue 1 127 16 - 15 9 - - 60 45 394 420 6299 Prem 43 9 - 9 3 - - 11 17 318 318 2865 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Marveaux vs Ben Arfa? TROLLING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Marveaux has a heart the size of a pea, and that will always prevent him from being a long term success. So you're saying he got a heart problem? I don't get what you're point is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Marveaux vs Ben Arfa? TROLLING It certainly wasn't meant that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I just can't see where the debate is. I do like Marv but Ben Arfa is a worldy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4851 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I just can't see where the debate is. I do like Marv but Ben Arfa is a worldy. I dont think anyone was saying Marveaux is better, simply that they have different nuances when attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think Aeris said that Marveaux has better vision for a pass He's a fucking idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 To be fair to Aeris and Christmas Tree (god I feel dirty now)I think they have a point in that Marveaux is more likely to look for a pass to play someone in than Ben Arfa. When Ben Arfa is looking to assist, he tends to do it by beating players and getting into the box and more simply laying it off when he's created the space by taking the opposition out. Marveaux (while also capable of beating a man but to a lesser extent) is more likely to look for the type of pass that he did yesterday. Anyone in their right mind would take HBA over Marveaux like because he's simply on a different level overall and I think part of this is because of Marveaux's small heart. I don't think he's quite as bad as BW makes out (that's more Obertan) but you wouldn't want him with you in the trenches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 That just the same as saying Marveaux doesnt have the same ability to beat players and therefore will look for a pass more often, Doesnt mean his passing vision is better because in a black and white shirt, it clearly isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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