Mevlüt Erdinç

[Monroe Transfer 0]

Can't believe I wasted my 3000th post on one of those discussions.

[Dr Gloom 22155]

Leazesmag ruining another thread by any chance?

[Kitman 2207]

i give up

 

never argue with an idiot seems to apply here

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=935093

 

[Phil 6]

Because they are below us and I thought it was a stupid proposition that would never happen.

 

So your insinuation above is, as always, completely incorrect.

 

actually, if you have even half a brain, then you will realise your first line proves my statement to be 100% correct.

 

Nolan obviously knows something YOU can't grasp.

 

£14.3 million quid over 5 years might have had something to do with it smeg for brains

 

in other words, West Ham showed him the money to match the talking over the table ? What exactly is wrong with that ?

 

Another brainwashed shithead.

 

 

Kevin Nolan had two years left on his contract, what do you think we should have offered him?

 

+I never rated him as a player, so i may be biased, but I'd have thought offering him a long contract shows a lack of ambition. This is the Mevlüt Erdinç thread and you are talking about losing Nolan. Where's your ambition.

 

sorry mate, but it wasn't me who sidetracked this thread.

 

It isn't a question of whether YOU rate Kevin Nolan, or I rate Kevin Nolan, or CT's Dog rates Kevin Nolan.

 

Why was Kevin Nolan sold with 2 years left on his contract if the manager did not want to sell him ?

 

The point in question here, is NOT the selling of Kevin Nolan as a player, but the selling of him behind the managers back and not giving him the funds from the sale of players. THIS is indicative of a selling club, that sells to survive or to make profits for its owner rather than backing the manager to try and build a top football team. We still have the thick end of 40m quid the manager has to play with from sales to strengthen the team. Where is it ?

 

 

Pardew said Nolan was sold because he thought his chances would be limited next season and his influence has the potential to be a negative if he's not included and the team arent getting results.

 

I dont think the money we have is too relevant as player are being brought in. What is an issue is the lack of a talisman striker, unfortunately I dont think we can get the caliber of striker we need regardless of how much we offer clubs and players. Erdinç and Gervinho look like good players, but they are not in the same category of Sow, Hazard et al - who imo are currently out of our reach.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

Because they are below us and I thought it was a stupid proposition that would never happen.

 

So your insinuation above is, as always, completely incorrect.

 

actually, if you have even half a brain, then you will realise your first line proves my statement to be 100% correct.

 

Nolan obviously knows something YOU can't grasp.

 

£14.3 million quid over 5 years might have had something to do with it smeg for brains

 

in other words, West Ham showed him the money to match the talking over the table ? What exactly is wrong with that ?

 

Another brainwashed shithead.

 

 

Kevin Nolan had two years left on his contract, what do you think we should have offered him?

 

+I never rated him as a player, so i may be biased, but I'd have thought offering him a long contract shows a lack of ambition. This is the Mevlüt Erdinç thread and you are talking about losing Nolan. Where's your ambition.

 

sorry mate, but it wasn't me who sidetracked this thread.

 

It isn't a question of whether YOU rate Kevin Nolan, or I rate Kevin Nolan, or CT's Dog rates Kevin Nolan.

 

Why was Kevin Nolan sold with 2 years left on his contract if the manager did not want to sell him ?

 

The point in question here, is NOT the selling of Kevin Nolan as a player, but the selling of him behind the managers back and not giving him the funds from the sale of players. THIS is indicative of a selling club, that sells to survive or to make profits for its owner rather than backing the manager to try and build a top football team. We still have the thick end of 40m quid the manager has to play with from sales to strengthen the team. Where is it ?

Pardew said Nolan was sold because he thought his chances would be limited next season and his influence has the potential to be a negative if he's not included and the team arent getting results.

 

 

Phil, that last bit. Can't say I've seen Paradiddle quoted on that myself ? To be understated, Nolan was surely an influential player behind the scenes , and contributed hugely in terms of the remains of team spirit built under CH that saw us through last season. On the back of that you seem to suggest (or say that Fuckdew said) Nolan would be disruptive to the club's welfare if he'd have stayed ??

That's so perilously close to the 'brainwashed shithead' trapdoor that you've in fact taken a diving header and launched freefalling into it .

[Phil 6]

Because they are below us and I thought it was a stupid proposition that would never happen.

 

So your insinuation above is, as always, completely incorrect.

 

actually, if you have even half a brain, then you will realise your first line proves my statement to be 100% correct.

 

Nolan obviously knows something YOU can't grasp.

 

£14.3 million quid over 5 years might have had something to do with it smeg for brains

 

in other words, West Ham showed him the money to match the talking over the table ? What exactly is wrong with that ?

 

Another brainwashed shithead.

 

 

Kevin Nolan had two years left on his contract, what do you think we should have offered him?

 

+I never rated him as a player, so i may be biased, but I'd have thought offering him a long contract shows a lack of ambition. This is the Mevlüt Erdinç thread and you are talking about losing Nolan. Where's your ambition.

 

sorry mate, but it wasn't me who sidetracked this thread.

 

It isn't a question of whether YOU rate Kevin Nolan, or I rate Kevin Nolan, or CT's Dog rates Kevin Nolan.

 

Why was Kevin Nolan sold with 2 years left on his contract if the manager did not want to sell him ?

 

The point in question here, is NOT the selling of Kevin Nolan as a player, but the selling of him behind the managers back and not giving him the funds from the sale of players. THIS is indicative of a selling club, that sells to survive or to make profits for its owner rather than backing the manager to try and build a top football team. We still have the thick end of 40m quid the manager has to play with from sales to strengthen the team. Where is it ?

Pardew said Nolan was sold because he thought his chances would be limited next season and his influence has the potential to be a negative if he's not included and the team arent getting results.

 

 

Phil, that last bit. Can't say I've seen Paradiddle quoted on that myself ? To be understated, Nolan was surely an influential player behind the scenes , and contributed hugely in terms of the remains of team spirit built under CH that saw us through last season. On the back of that you seem to suggest (or say that Fuckdew said) Nolan would be disruptive to the club's welfare if he'd have stayed ??

That's so perilously close to the 'brainwashed shithead' trapdoor that you've in fact taken a diving header and launched freefalling into it .

 

I may have read more into his BBC radio interview;

 

My opinion is we couldn’t give Kevin a five-year contract. If Kevin’s not paying first-team football, Kevin isn’t going to be the leader we want, I’m convinced of that. Kevin is so full-on as the captain of a football club.

http://www.nufcblog.com/2011/07/05/alan-pa...ld-kevin-nolan/

 

 

When i said negative I didn't mean intentionally. Pardew said Barton has been knocking on his door saying the results don't match his contribution. So I might have been putting two and two together and come up with five.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

. . Was gonna say like .

 

(If that was the Radio Ncle one from few months back, listening to him that night made my turds curdle. . Upon reflection , the bit you've quoted was him passing on the fact they'd packed his bags for him too. We'll not be doing with any strong personalities here wot wot . Fuckinwankers .)

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazesmag ruining another thread by any chance?

 

laughable that you are now spouting what I did for years that you gave me flak for.

 

If you mean, disagreeing with someone [like you did with me before you eventually realised I was right] - especially when he chose to have a dialogue with me - then you're a bigger idiot than I thought.

 

You're just like the idiots on Newcastle Online.

 

[LeazesMag 0]

i give up

 

never argue with an idiot seems to apply here

 

The irony.

 

I have put forward factual information and views consistent with this factual information, unlike you, and you say I am an idiot

 

As you claim I do not enter "intelligent dialogue", this is highly ironic - but I bet you don't see it.

 

What exactly do you expect me to agree with you with, in order to avoid such hurtful claims that you are making

 

Sadly chum, I'm sticking to what I've been saying for 4 years, as it becomes ever more clear that I have been correct all this time.

 

For the 2nd time, YOU CHOSE TO ENTER THIS DISCUSSION DIRECTLY WITH ME, NOBODY ASKED YOU TO DO IT. Do you understand this, or are you an idiot ?

 

You could start with answering my points, but you appear to be so hypocritical [and stupid] that you either can't or choose not to.

 

There's only one idiot here chum.

[LeazesMag 0]

i give up

 

never argue with an idiot seems to apply here

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=935093

 

 

now, I thought you were OK, but you could at least point out to him - and Gloomy - that they chose to enter discussion with me. Do I reply or not ? Do I agree with them or not ? What exactly is their point ? For all I can see, Gloomy is now saying what I told him for years when he disagreed with me, and gave me flak for what I said, but now agrees with me and blocks me like the idiots on NO, how stupid is that ? How can someone "ruin" threads just for disagreeing with them, although now he agrees with me and still thinks he isn't ? Odd.

 

rabit71 is accusing me of not reading his posts, but hasn't actually addressed and replied to me once yet ? How hypocritical is that ? He says he hates Ashley, so what is he saying ? What exactly is his point ?

 

If you mean that its futile to "argue" with me, then you are right, because the only person who can change what is happening at the football club is actually, Mike Ashley.

Edited July 14, 2011 by LeazesMag

[Kitman 2207]

Leazes - I've read your posts for years on here and N-O and I've never once seen someone argue you off the point you were making. I pointed this out to the lad but he took fuck all notice anyway. I wasn't being deep or anything.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes - I've read your posts for years on here and N-O and I've never once seen someone argue you off the point you were making. I pointed this out to the lad but he took fuck all notice anyway. I wasn't being deep or anything.

 

Ok mate.

 

I'm going to put this out - I don't care if people have a different "opinion" to me, I'll continue to put out the facts and my view of where the club is going that is tailored to the facts and my reading of how he is running the club based on my experience [who doesn't do that ?], but I'm getting a bit hacked off at wankers like Gloomy saying I ruin threads just because I disagree with them.

 

Plenty of people, in my opinion [and the facts back it up] spout crap ie the Polish bloke, CT, Deano - they are mainly probably decent blokes though [apart from Gloomy who seems to be an idiotic hypocrite who won't even answer a couple of pm's I sent him because I think he may know a mate of mine].

 

Some people have pm'd me saying they agree with everything I say.

 

For my money, I just reckon people should get on with posting what they want, there is no need for this sort of stuff, people don't ruin threads just because they have a different view to you. Fundamental basic this, their attitude is straight out of the Newcastle Online guide to internet posting. Sad.

[The Fish 10969]

Leazes man, it's not about people disagreeing with you, it's that you turn every thread into a conversation about the ownership. A rumour about a new player? Leazes talks about the ownership. A press statement from a player? Leazes talks about the ownership. Concerns about an injury? Leazes talks about the ownership.

 

That's how you ruin threads.

[GeeForce 0]

The problem is, regardless of whether your opinion is correct, incorrect or thus far undertermined, it is the constant derailment of every single thread that personally gets my back up and I am sure I speak for a few on here. It's the ferocious negativity towards something which we are supposed to love, something that rules our lives. At the end of the day Ashley made many mistakes and we got relegated, fair enough, but since then we came back up at the first time of asking which was our goal, we then avoided relegation back down which was our goal, now our goal for 2011/2012 for me would be a finish inside the top 10. We have hit our objective for two seasons running so why not see how this year goes before whinging about transfer policy etc and if we fail, then by all means criticise but can we not leave this argument until we actually have answers rather than derail every thread with pure speculation. The phrase Rome wasn't built in a day is particularly apt for this club at present I feel.

[manc-mag 1]

Leazes, basically that's just a coded way of saying you're hacked off that people don't continue to participate in futile 'debates' with you.

 

You're totally correct to say there's nowt wrong with expressing a different view to someone, but your frustration is that people won't then argue the point with you when you take them to task over it. There's a reason for that though, and it's not because they can't construct an argument, as they're happy to do so in plenty of threads with other posters. You know that though really.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes man, it's not about people disagreeing with you, it's that you turn every thread into a conversation about the ownership. A rumour about a new player? Leazes talks about the ownership. A press statement from a player? Leazes talks about the ownership. Concerns about an injury? Leazes talks about the ownership.

 

That's how you ruin threads.

 

I comment on posts about the politics of the club because it interests me. I'm not interested in football manager type "pick your favourite team" type posts.

 

Not all of my posts are about the policitics of the club, but admittedly most are, for the above reason.

 

The vast majority are also responses to people who make similar comments, or direct comments at me. This thread in question is an ideal example. Who asked rabit71 to direct the comments at me that he did ? Who also asked Gloomy to say what he did, he's blocked my posts and still can't resist making stupid posts about me ?

 

It's unreal man. They need help, they really do.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes, basically that's just a coded way of saying you're hacked off that people don't continue to participate in futile 'debates' with you.

 

You're totally correct to say there's nowt wrong with expressing a different view to someone, but your frustration is that people won't then argue the point with you when you take them to task over it. There's a reason for that though, and it's not because they can't construct an argument, as they're happy to do so in plenty of threads with other posters. You know that though really.

 

it is futile in respect of the fact that what I have been saying for 4 years - and had flak for from people including yourself - is now looking more and more obviously correct.

 

I will continue to say what I say because I am 100% sure it is correct, as I have always done. Are you ever going to admit it

[LeazesMag 0]

The problem is, regardless of whether your opinion is correct, incorrect or thus far undertermined, it is the constant derailment of every single thread that personally gets my back up and I am sure I speak for a few on here. It's the ferocious negativity towards something which we are supposed to love, something that rules our lives. At the end of the day Ashley made many mistakes and we got relegated, fair enough, but since then we came back up at the first time of asking which was our goal, we then avoided relegation back down which was our goal, now our goal for 2011/2012 for me would be a finish inside the top 10. We have hit our objective for two seasons running so why not see how this year goes before whinging about transfer policy etc and if we fail, then by all means criticise but can we not leave this argument until we actually have answers rather than derail every thread with pure speculation. The phrase Rome wasn't built in a day is particularly apt for this club at present I feel.

 

as I've said, if you consider this thread to be "derailed" because of the last few pages of dialogue between myself and rabit71, then you ought to be directing this criticism at him because NOBODY asked him to enter into a discussion with me at all. He just made a stupid comment for no reason whatsoever. Look back and see. Same as Gloomy.

 

Daft really, I agree, no need for it at all.

Edited July 14, 2011 by LeazesMag

[The Fish 10969]

Leazes man, this is a thread about a possible signing and you were, again, talking about the ownership. You say you don't care about "Who is your favourite player" threads or whatever, so why post in them? We gave you a thread where you discuss the ownership to your hearts content, but instead you ramble on in every fucking thread.

 

That's insane.

[manc-mag 1]

Leazes, basically that's just a coded way of saying you're hacked off that people don't continue to participate in futile 'debates' with you.

 

You're totally correct to say there's nowt wrong with expressing a different view to someone, but your frustration is that people won't then argue the point with you when you take them to task over it. There's a reason for that though, and it's not because they can't construct an argument, as they're happy to do so in plenty of threads with other posters. You know that though really.

 

it is futile in respect of the fact that what I have been saying for 4 years - and had flak for from people including yourself - is now looking more and more obviously correct.

 

I will continue to say what I say because I am 100% sure it is correct, as I have always done. Are you ever going to admit it

 

As you know I think it's futile for a different reason altogether. More importantly though I think it's a complete waste of energy due to my honestly held opinion that we'd be a total busted flush now under the old regime anyway. That's opinion, not fact of course, but then so is anything you put forward to the contrary.

 

So it's all a bit pointless. There's a worthwhile discussion to be had about the future of the club under Ashley/alternative ownership, but not one which needs to be sidetracked by meaningless debates about how we were 5th best club in Britain for a period of time in the late 90's/early 00's. Notts Forest were champions of all Europe for two years when I was little.

[manc-mag 1]

Leazes, basically that's just a coded way of saying you're hacked off that people don't continue to participate in futile 'debates' with you.

 

You're totally correct to say there's nowt wrong with expressing a different view to someone, but your frustration is that people won't then argue the point with you when you take them to task over it. There's a reason for that though, and it's not because they can't construct an argument, as they're happy to do so in plenty of threads with other posters. You know that though really.

 

it is futile in respect of the fact that what I have been saying for 4 years - and had flak for from people including yourself - is now looking more and more obviously correct.

 

I will continue to say what I say because I am 100% sure it is correct, as I have always done. Are you ever going to admit it

 

As you know I think it's futile for a different reason altogether. More importantly though I think it's a complete waste of energy due to my honestly held opinion that we'd be a total busted flush now under the old regime anyway. That's opinion, not fact of course, but then so is anything you put forward to the contrary.

 

So it's all a bit pointless. There's a worthwhile discussion to be had about the future of the club under Ashley/alternative ownership, but not one which needs to be sidetracked by meaningless debates about how we were 5th best club in Britain for a period of time in the late 90's/early 00's. Notts Forest were champions of all Europe for two years when I was little.

 

And PS as the Fish rightly points out, in as far as it's a valid discussion, it's a debate for it's own thread anyway. Not one which you need to try and get in via the backdoor in every single thread on the forum.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes man, this is a thread about a possible signing and you were, again, talking about the ownership. You say you don't care about "Who is your favourite player" threads or whatever, so why post in them? We gave you a thread where you discuss the ownership to your hearts content, but instead you ramble on in every fucking thread.

 

That's insane.

 

rabit made a comment directed at me for no reason whatsoever. Right or wrong ?

 

Gloomy also did the same. Right or wrong ?

 

That is what I'm talking about, and who I am replying to, look back and see.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes, basically that's just a coded way of saying you're hacked off that people don't continue to participate in futile 'debates' with you.

 

You're totally correct to say there's nowt wrong with expressing a different view to someone, but your frustration is that people won't then argue the point with you when you take them to task over it. There's a reason for that though, and it's not because they can't construct an argument, as they're happy to do so in plenty of threads with other posters. You know that though really.

 

it is futile in respect of the fact that what I have been saying for 4 years - and had flak for from people including yourself - is now looking more and more obviously correct.

 

I will continue to say what I say because I am 100% sure it is correct, as I have always done. Are you ever going to admit it

 

As you know I think it's futile for a different reason altogether. More importantly though I think it's a complete waste of energy due to my honestly held opinion that we'd be a total busted flush now under the old regime anyway. That's opinion, not fact of course, but then so is anything you put forward to the contrary.

 

So it's all a bit pointless. There's a worthwhile discussion to be had about the future of the club under Ashley/alternative ownership, but not one which needs to be sidetracked by meaningless debates about how we were 5th best club in Britain for a period of time in the late 90's/early 00's. Notts Forest were champions of all Europe for two years when I was little.

 

didn't think you would

 

Point is, Ashley is doing what a lot of people wanted ie incorporating a "plan", "running the club as a business", "not being held to ransom over signings etc" and look where it is getting us.........

 

This is what was said at the time, and you know it.

 

NUFC is NOT an outfit that needs to be run like a low cost operation, it is one of the biggest clubs in europe [but only if the potential and fanbase is tapped correctly]

[Lazarus 0]

may as well chip with my thoughts on leazes.....

 

Dear leazesmag

 

i dont think anyone would argue that you love the club passionately, are very knowledgeable about the clubs past and are also often frustrated at the current regime. we all know that.

 

but leazes, you dont have to argue those issues so often to the point of self destruction. i know its difficult not to respond when some wum posts or when some 12 year old praises ashley but, for the sake of your own sanity maybe you should consider not responding as often.

 

the leazes i would like to see post more is the one that posts this sort of stuff

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...&pid=925167

 

not the one that can take a thread off topic with a few words about shepherd, sir john or keegan.

[LeazesMag 0]

may as well chip with my thoughts on leazes.....

 

Dear leazesmag

 

i dont think anyone would argue that you love the club passionately, are very knowledgeable about the clubs past and are also often frustrated at the current regime. we all know that.

 

but leazes, you dont have to argue those issues so often to the point of self destruction. i know its difficult not to respond when some wum posts or when some 12 year old praises ashley but, for the sake of your own sanity maybe you should consider not responding as often.

 

the leazes i would like to see post more is the one that posts this sort of stuff

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...&pid=925167

 

not the one that can take a thread off topic with a few words about shepherd, sir john or keegan.

 

point taken.

 

 

But do you accept mine re people commenting at me for no reason then whining when they don't like the reply ?

Edited July 14, 2011 by LeazesMag