Chris Gray on NUFC under Ashley

[LeazesMag 0]

looking for who this kid is, expecting some sort of self-appointed spokesman in the Wraith-esque self-promotion mould.

 

Seemingly he's just some kid that posts in sky comments, chron type stuff i think.

 

More with the Mickylove here

 

"Children want it all now, now, now. Just like Newcastle supporters." (shut up you hairy purple teat. FACT)

 

http://www.nufcviews.com/

 

can't be arsed to look at the link, but presumably by the bold bit he appears to be a know-nowt naive schoolkid - a bit similar to the likes of CT, Deano, Gejon, and Jaysouthernmag ?

[Gejon 2]

looking for who this kid is, expecting some sort of self-appointed spokesman in the Wraith-esque self-promotion mould.

 

Seemingly he's just some kid that posts in sky comments, chron type stuff i think.

 

More with the Mickylove here

 

"Children want it all now, now, now. Just like Newcastle supporters." (shut up you hairy purple teat. FACT)

 

http://www.nufcviews.com/

 

can't be arsed to look at the link, but presumably by the bold bit he appears to be a know-nowt naive schoolkid - a bit similar to the likes of CT, Deano, Gejon, and Jaysouthernmag ?

 

 

Moron

[Howmanheyman 32826]

Reading the various blogs linked to the local papers (this one included) might make you think that Newcastle had had a bad season and face a horrendous future. All we hear from supporters - who, if their comments are anything to go by, are a pretty brainless lot – is that Ashley is the devil incarnate and is to blame for everything. I am no Ashley apologist, but this will just not do – not least because it only serves to undermine and damage the club we all supposedly love.

 

Look at the facts, you blind, knee-jerking idiots (sorry, nothing personal intended).

 

Newcastle United have just finished in a better premiership position than when Ashley took over. Fact.

True, we’ve been down and come up again but I’m with those who claim that was a good thing (although it didn’t feel like it at the time).

 

The finances at Newcastle are immeasurably better than they were then. Football clubs have to get their financial house in order first – then they might have a chance of moving forward on a firm footing. Fact.

 

Ashley now has his own man in the job – like him or loathe him, Pardew is Ashley’s choice and there is a chance he will get funds to spend. The predecessors were either inherited (Allardyce), short-term (Kinnear and, initially, Hughton) or foisted on him (Keegan, Shearer). For the first time, he has his own man in post. Fact.

 

Some (not all) of Wise’s young recruits are now coming through. We Newcastle supporters have never been prepared to be patient – we want it all now – but it will be worth waiting for the likes of Vuckic, Kadar etc (I exclude Ranger, although I expect he’ll do very well wherever he goes). Fact (more or less).

 

Gone are the days when we become the laughing-stock of everyone else by paying crazy money (transfer fees and wages) for dreadful players. The successful clubs in the future will be those who are sensible, prudent and build gradually. (OK, freak situations like Man City might threaten that – but we still await their real success, and will it last?) Fact (in my opinion).

 

And – I’m not sure quite how the Ashley-haters deal with this one – Mike Ashley has pumped over £100 million of his own money into the club. It may be a loan, but without it no-one seems quite sure where we’d have been. Fact.

 

And finally, whether we like it or not, Mr Ashley has bought us. It’s a free country, governed largely by property and ownership and money – and Ashley owns the whole thing from Jose Enrique down to the light switch in the gents toilet. Fact.

 

Now for the controversial bit. I was born in Elswick and Albert Bennett, Gordon Marshall and Dave Elliott were playing in the first game I ever saw. I was at Hillsborough, Wembley etc and was even one of the 7,000 at the Norwich game at the end of the pre-Keegan relegation season. I am black and white, North East through and through. But … the trouble with us is that we don’t live in the real world. Our culture up here is one of dependency – it’s someone else’s fault. I know it’s not pc to say it, but we are the antithesis of entrepreneurial flair. Ask anyone who tries to stir up business activity in this region. They won’t say it publicly but they’ll admit it in private. We know nothing, or so it seems, of economic reality. Football clubs cannot just throw away huge contracts – it makes absolute sense to do what we’ve done with Barton and – allegedly – Nolan. Footballers get far too much money and the game can’t afford them. Ashley isn’t being greedy by seeing that – he’s being a good businessman. That’s what Newcastle United have needed since the days of Stan Seymour, Lord Westwood, Gordon McKeag. Arsenal have been unlucky not to have won a trophy in the last few years but they’ve won plenty over the years under Wenger. Arsenal are the soundest club in the country – the only club in the top four who are virtually certain to be still there in ten years time. Wenger and his board will not spend unless they absolutely have to – they have spent a lot less than Newcastle since Wenger took over but have developed from within and bought young, hungry players at prices often well below £1m. (Vieira, for example, at £350k). When from time to time they’ve bought big, the player has almost always been a great success.

 

That’s the model to follow. All you Ashley-bashers really haven’t a clue.

;)

Who 'foisted' Shearer and KK on him? For that statement alone he loses any cedibility he may think he has. Another point, everyone who insists he's cleared us of debt and there's a few, can you just point me to the press release where Llambias or whomever has said, 'he's paid up all your debts for you, you're now debt free, you owe nobody a penny, me included'.

 

Of all the people who are either pro-Ashley or just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, (which is fair enough in its own right and they're entitled to their say), some put some good arguments over and then there's bell helmets like this knob. He is the one who really doesn't have a clue. Nothing personal, fact, etc, etc.

[StevenL 0]

Probably one of the worst articles I've ever read and Toopack is defending it? Fuck off man.

 

Vieira cost about £3.5 million.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

looking for who this kid is, expecting some sort of self-appointed spokesman in the Wraith-esque self-promotion mould.

 

Seemingly he's just some kid that posts in sky comments, chron type stuff i think.

 

More with the Mickylove here

 

"Children want it all now, now, now. Just like Newcastle supporters." (shut up you hairy purple teat. FACT)

 

http://www.nufcviews.com/

 

can't be arsed to look at the link, but presumably by the bold bit he appears to be a know-nowt naive schoolkid - a bit similar to the likes of CT, Deano, Gejon, and Jaysouthernmag ?

 

it's your bloodpressure i'm thinking about mate when i say ''aye it's best y don't read it"

 

his bit about impatient fans wanting it now now now grips me shit like, it really does . its the kinda trite 'outside' press perpetuate and not something i'd care to be associated with NU fans. Well, i speak for lads i know/have gone to match with over the years anyway. Dunno how old he is but reads as an older head and that summation he reaches is beyond me if that's the case. Be better off shouting into a bucket than scripting that kinda shit.

[AgentAxeman 174]

"Facts are meaningless - you could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" - Homer Simpson

 

This kid sounds like a proper fuckin doyle........................................ FACT!

[Guest alex]

See when I say that you just laugh!!!!!!!

And rightly so, as the foisted one would say.

[LeazesMag 0]

Probably one of the worst articles I've ever read and Toopack is defending it? Fuck off man.

 

says everything really

[LeazesMag 0]

looking for who this kid is, expecting some sort of self-appointed spokesman in the Wraith-esque self-promotion mould.

 

Seemingly he's just some kid that posts in sky comments, chron type stuff i think.

 

More with the Mickylove here

 

"Children want it all now, now, now. Just like Newcastle supporters." (shut up you hairy purple teat. FACT)

 

http://www.nufcviews.com/

 

can't be arsed to look at the link, but presumably by the bold bit he appears to be a know-nowt naive schoolkid - a bit similar to the likes of CT, Deano, Gejon, and Jaysouthernmag ?

 

it's your bloodpressure i'm thinking about mate when i say ''aye it's best y don't read it"

 

his bit about impatient fans wanting it now now now grips me shit like, it really does . its the kinda trite 'outside' press perpetuate and not something i'd care to be associated with NU fans. Well, i speak for lads i know/have gone to match with over the years anyway. Dunno how old he is but reads as an older head and that summation he reaches is beyond me if that's the case. Be better off shouting into a bucket than scripting that kinda shit.

 

if his first game included Albert Bennett in the team, he is younger than me, but not much.

 

Anyway, I don't believe a word he says, or he's an utter bellend. Take your pick.

 

In fact, THIS bit

 

the only club in the top four who are virtually certain to be still there in ten years time.

 

makes me wonder if it Toonpack or somebody else from one of the other message boards with their heads up their arse.

 

Does anybody, anybody seriously believe that ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea or Man City will "not be here" in 10 years time haha. Class.

Edited June 12, 2011 by LeazesMag

[The Fish 10779]

Ignore the nonsense within, but that's a fucking terrible piece.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

What forum was this cut and pasted from?

[manc-mag 1]

As bad a piece from the Ashley apologist end of the spectrum as some of the rose tinted pish that gets printed about the last lot tbh.

 

Truth as ever somewhere in the middle.

[LoveTheBobby 1]

What forum was this cut and pasted from?

 

One of Lee Ryder's Golden Girls

 

http://www.blogonthetyne.co.uk/2011/06/a-b...eside-youv.html

[Deano 0]

For all the points he makes are valid and i agree with his opinions to some extent, i/we cant forget the bad shit FMA has done in his time here as well.

 

When both sides are taken into consideration and we have a balanced look at his time here, its not all bad though.

 

Yes we were relegated and yes a lot of shit has gone on but thats water under the bridge, im only interested in today and tomorrow...not yesterday.

 

We are on a sound financial footing and we have the basis of a good side. We are making good progress in the transfer market, identifiying quality recruits and already brought in one of a good standard and another young lad with potential.

 

Things are positive but we DO need to be patient. The likes of LM are the ones who cant let go of the past and accept the here and now and just enjoy it.

 

Thats the key words right there....some just cant let themselves enjoy it anymore and just revel in and hold on to the negativity and pessimism.

 

Let go of whats happened and look forward to our future, it DOES look positive.

 

[Barney 0]

There are Loads of articles out there now by kids on blogs, looking for a bite. Not sure why this spaz is deemed as worthy of a thread/debate.

 

Lots more of this sort of drivel will pop up over time too. Fact.

[Howmanheyman 32826]

For all the points he makes are valid and i agree with his opinions to some extent, i/we cant forget the bad shit FMA has done in his time here as well.

 

When both sides are taken into consideration and we have a balanced look at his time here, its not all bad though.

 

Yes we were relegated and yes a lot of shit has gone on but thats water under the bridge, im only interested in today and tomorrow...not yesterday.

 

We are on a sound financial footing and we have the basis of a good side. We are making good progress in the transfer market, identifiying quality recruits and already brought in one of a good standard and another young lad with potential.

 

Things are positive but we DO need to be patient. The likes of LM are the ones who cant let go of the past and accept the here and now and just enjoy it.

 

Thats the key words right there....some just cant let themselves enjoy it anymore and just revel in and hold on to the negativity and pessimism.

 

Let go of whats happened and look forward to our future, it DOES look positive.

 

I can't look forward to the future as the cunt has kicked me out of my seat.....AGAIN!

[Happy Face 29]

For all the points he makes are valid and i agree with his opinions to some extent, i/we cant forget the bad shit FMA has done in his time here as well.

 

When both sides are taken into consideration and we have a balanced look at his time here, its not all bad though.

 

Yes we were relegated and yes a lot of shit has gone on but thats water under the bridge, im only interested in today and tomorrow...not yesterday.

 

We are on a sound financial footing and we have the basis of a good side. We are making good progress in the transfer market, identifiying quality recruits and already brought in one of a good standard and another young lad with potential.

 

Things are positive but we DO need to be patient. The likes of LM are the ones who cant let go of the past and accept the here and now and just enjoy it.

 

Thats the key words right there....some just cant let themselves enjoy it anymore and just revel in and hold on to the negativity and pessimism.

 

Let go of whats happened and look forward to our future, it DOES look positive.

 

 

£288m of debt is a sound financial footing?

[Toonpack 9298]

Probably one of the worst articles I've ever read and Toopack is defending it? Fuck off man.

 

Vieira cost about £3.5 million.

 

 

Where'd I defend it, link please ??

[Jusoda Kid 1]

It reads like one of Christmas Tree's posts, its him I reckon

[spongebob toonpants 3956]

Load of shite: FACT

[LeazesMag 0]

For all the points he makes are valid and i agree with his opinions to some extent, i/we cant forget the bad shit FMA has done in his time here as well.

 

When both sides are taken into consideration and we have a balanced look at his time here, its not all bad though.

 

Yes we were relegated and yes a lot of shit has gone on but thats water under the bridge, im only interested in today and tomorrow...not yesterday.

 

We are on a sound financial footing and we have the basis of a good side. We are making good progress in the transfer market, identifiying quality recruits and already brought in one of a good standard and another young lad with potential.

 

Things are positive but we DO need to be patient. The likes of LM are the ones who cant let go of the past and accept the here and now and just enjoy it.

 

Thats the key words right there....some just cant let themselves enjoy it anymore and just revel in and hold on to the negativity and pessimism.

 

Let go of whats happened and look forward to our future, it DOES look positive.

 

 

£288m of debt is a sound financial footing?

 

is that right ? So much for the financial whizz kid paying off his inherited 70m quid stadium mortgage

[Dr Gloom 21847]

If you write FACT at the end of any old shite, it automatically makes it the truth. Stone wall. Undeniable. End of discussion.

 

FACT

[Happy Face 29]

Look at the facts, you blind, knee-jerking idiots (sorry, nothing personal intended).

 

If it's not a personal question, are you a virgin?

 

Newcastle United have just finished in a better premiership position than when Ashley took over. Fact.

True, we’ve been down and come up again but I’m with those who claim that was a good thing (although it didn’t feel like it at the time).

 

One position. The performance was so bad in 2006/2007 it meant the manager was sacked. Now it's cause for celebration.

 

The finances at Newcastle are immeasurably better than they were then. Football clubs have to get their financial house in order first – then they might have a chance of moving forward on a firm footing. Fact.

 

As I mentioned before, £288m of debt at the club now. Far more frightening than the debt we had when Ashley arrived, although far less likely to be defaulted on, it's still measurably worse.

 

Ashley now has his own man in the job – like him or loathe him, Pardew is Ashley’s choice and there is a chance he will get funds to spend. The predecessors were either inherited (Allardyce), short-term (Kinnear and, initially, Hughton) or foisted on him (Keegan, Shearer). For the first time, he has his own man in post. Fact.

 

I cannot comprehend the idea that a chairman can appoint 5 managers and only the current one was anything to do with him. The use of the word "fact" here should be used in text books as an example of how wrong it's possible to be

 

Some (not all) of Wise’s young recruits are now coming through. We Newcastle supporters have never been prepared to be patient – we want it all now – but it will be worth waiting for the likes of Vuckic, Kadar etc (I exclude Ranger, although I expect he’ll do very well wherever he goes). Fact (more or less).

 

Speculation your honour.

 

Gone are the days when we become the laughing-stock of everyone else by paying crazy money (transfer fees and wages) for dreadful players. The successful clubs in the future will be those who are sensible, prudent and build gradually. (OK, freak situations like Man City might threaten that – but we still await their real success, and will it last?) Fact (in my opinion).

 

"Fact, in my opinion" betrays a complete lack of conviction behind anything being said.

 

And – I’m not sure quite how the Ashley-haters deal with this one – Mike Ashley has pumped over £100 million of his own money into the club. It may be a loan, but without it no-one seems quite sure where we’d have been. Fact.

 

Yep, no-one knows. We could have been bought by the people that ended up at Man City instead, or the one's who are currently at Liverpool. No-one knows. FACT!

 

And finally, whether we like it or not, Mr Ashley has bought us. It’s a free country, governed largely by property and ownership and money – and Ashley owns the whole thing from Jose Enrique down to the light switch in the gents toilet. Fact.

 

 

Wenger and his board will not spend unless they absolutely have to – they have spent a lot less than Newcastle since Wenger took over but have developed from within and bought young, hungry players at prices often well below £1m. (Vieira, for example, at £350k). When from time to time they’ve bought big, the player has almost always been a great success.

 

 

96/97 -

£20.25m

Vs £5.2m

97/98 -

£0.8m

Vs £22.37

98/99 -

£13.8m

Vs £22.5m

99/00 -

£22.85m

Vs £24.8m

00/01 -

£35m

Vs £13m

01/02 -

£15.25m

Vs £29m

02/03 -

£6.6m

Vs £15m

03/04 -

£16m

Vs £3.6m

04/05 -

£1m

Vs £22m

05/06 -

£32.35m

Vs £30.8m

06/07 -

£11.9m

Vs £25.7m

07/08 -

£13.2m

Vs £16.75m

08/09 -

£30.8m

Vs £16.8m

09/10 -

£19.7m

Vs £4m

10/11 -

£0

Vs £4.5m

 

Total

£239.5m

Vs £256m

 

Over 15 years, arsenal have spent 94% as much as us, not really a "lot less". For ten years it was enough to get us into europe, competing with them. Over the last 5 years, we haven't spent as much as Arsenal...and we've not competed with them

 

That’s the model to follow. All you Ashley-bashers really haven’t a clue.

 

That IS the model to follow yes, as shown by our decline since we stopped matching their spending.

[Jusoda Kid 1]

Happy face destroys chris gray

[trophyshy 7073]

and that is why HF is a legend on this board.

 

(he's the only one who can be arsed - fair play to the man)

 

Edited June 12, 2011 by trophyshy