Demba Ba

[OTF 7216]

It's funny seeing that sort of attitude from other clubs fans. Part of it is obviously a bitterness, the rest is outdated from previous times. The wage strategy has changed vastly since our relegation. Our fans and stadium are our biggest draw cards IMO.

[ajax_andy 0]

90% of ''ITK's tell you what you want to hear.

 

Who cares if it goes directly against a clubs policies eh?

 

 

90% of ITK's I wouldn't even give the time of day too... Sheedy on the other hand I would listen to all day long due to his track record.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13762]

Other than wages I dont think you are an attractive club...

 

How aren't you getting this?

 

It's excuse making really.

 

Wages for new players tend to be low - before his new contract Tiote was on £10k.

 

Ben Arfa is on £40k. etc etc

 

Not the pie in the sky shit Andy seems to be implying.

 

 

Again I passed on info from 2 reliable ITK's... you lot are fucking boring the pants off me with your shite. You don't believe them? Fine I really dont care... Like I said i'll keep the info to myself in future.

 

I think I'll stick to the financial reports and some trusted journalists with regards to what's happening at NUFC.

 

Starting an N'Zogbia rumour and having the media report the rumour doesn't count as ITK.

Edited June 17, 2011 by Ayatollah Hermione

[JawD 99]

Can't see the wage being £70K like Andy. Kinda goes against our whole salary cap etc. Nolan left as we wouldnt give him what West Ham are (55k and 5 years iirc). I know a couple of people told you it, but it just doesnt make sense. Also tbf, nearly everyone who has any "itk" stuff at the moment is said to be bullshitting (not you personally). Seems to be the thing this year for some reason, worse than usual.

 

I'll not get into the handbag passing contest

[ajax_andy 0]

Other than wages I dont think you are an attractive club...

 

How aren't you getting this?

 

It's excuse making really.

 

Wages for new players tend to be low - before his new contract Tiote was on £10k.

 

Ben Arfa is on £40k. etc etc

 

Not the pie in the sky shit Andy seems to be implying.

 

 

Again I passed on info from 2 reliable ITK's... you lot are fucking boring the pants off me with your shite. You don't believe them? Fine I really dont care... Like I said i'll keep the info to myself in future.

 

I think I'll stick to the financial reports and some trusted journalists with regards to what's happening at NUFC.

 

 

Feel free, like I said I wont share any info on here as non of you want to hear it anyway... will save myself a lot of time and agro.

[McFaul 35]

£70,000 a week Mike Ashley, 70k. Do they put white powder on your chips, at Stargate Chippy???!!

[ajax_andy 0]

Can't see the wage being £70K like Andy. Kinda goes against our whole salary cap etc. Nolan left as we wouldnt give him what West Ham are (55k and 5 years iirc). I know a couple of people told you it, but it just doesnt make sense. Also tbf, nearly everyone who has any "itk" stuff at the moment is said to be bullshitting (not you personally). Seems to be the thing this year for some reason, worse than usual.

 

I'll not get into the handbag passing contest

 

 

Aye well the £70k came from one ITK that I dont know as he posts on a different forum but apparently has got a good track record as far as incoming transfers to Everton.

 

This Sheedy guy says that Ba asked us to meet the Toons demands and would join if we did... I trust him. I'm not surprised no-one on here does as its not what you'd want to hear about a new signing... especially when there is such a low opinion of the club he apparently would rather have joined (allegedly)

 

I could still see Ashley looking at a free transfer and £70k a week being better than £10m and £50k a week for an alternative player, just my opinion tho. He was on £50k at West Ham and it would be extremely rare for a player to leave on a free and move to another club for less money... would be surprised by that massively, especially if there's more than one team bidding for his signiture.

 

Maybe the £70k a week is BS? Who knows... could be less, but even if it is i'd expect it to be somewhere in between 50-70k.

 

Haha nah I think me and you should stick to the photography chat and leave football politics alone

[ajax_andy 0]

£70,000 a week Mike Ashley, 70k. Do they put white powder on your chips, at Stargate Chippy???!!

 

 

Haha actually not had owt from there for a while... I think you've just sorted out tonights tea for me

[Kitman 2204]

Andy it's nothing personal I just don't believe your itk. Everything we hear coming out of the club says high wages are a thing of the past. One of the reasons players like Barton and Nolan won't sign new contracts.

[PaddockLad 16992]

Andy there are more supporters going through the turnstiles throughout each month of the season on Tyneside than there is on Merseyside. Each area has 2 premier league clubs but Merseyside has a population of around 500k to 750k more than Tyne and Wear. And Merseyside has one club with a much vaunted 'world wide fanbase'...not that it helps them fill their place that often either....;-)

 

 

Ok so you're using Sunderland as an example, yet its in a different area completely and is again a one club city.

 

I see what you are trying to say, but at the end of the day your point isnt exactly a fair comparison.

 

Manchester would be one that you could compare Liverpool too as this is also a true 2 club city.... Tyne & Wear aint.

 

Anyway this is all getting rather tiresome... Its the same old shite debate, you love your club, I love mine, lets just move on from it as no-one gives a shit... we'll pick up the debate again in the future no doubt, mainly when we finish above you yet again next season or when Ba's knee implodes in the 1st minute of the 1st match of the season

 

I'll keep any info I get regarding your club to myself in future... you're all very defensive and even if I had a video of the negotiations in which Ba gets a £70k a week contract you would still all get up in arms about some Toffee on here daring to tell you something that's not from a geordie lol!

 

It would be nice to share info without hostility, but I guess there's no such thing as a perfect world eh?

You mentioned the 'one club city' thing and I was just illustrating that if you look at population (and if you want to, trophies won in the last 40 odd years..and lets face it, you do) that there should be far more people watching football on Merseyside. You can offer an opinion why if you want, but no worries if you don't. Just wanted to make the point. And try not to beleive uncheckable sources on the internet. It does make you appear rather foolish in this thread, and,it has to be said,suffering from a nasty case of sour grapes.

 

ps....you may want to consider how much we payed the player's agent/s if you want to get to the real reason why he came here.

[Dr Gloom 21760]

Can't see the wage being £70K like Andy. Kinda goes against our whole salary cap etc. Nolan left as we wouldnt give him what West Ham are (55k and 5 years iirc). I know a couple of people told you it, but it just doesnt make sense. Also tbf, nearly everyone who has any "itk" stuff at the moment is said to be bullshitting (not you personally). Seems to be the thing this year for some reason, worse than usual.

 

I'll not get into the handbag passing contest

 

 

Aye well the £70k came from one ITK that I dont know as he posts on a different forum but apparently has got a good track record as far as incoming transfers to Everton.

 

This Sheedy guy says that Ba asked us to meet the Toons demands and would join if we did... I trust him. I'm not surprised no-one on here does as its not what you'd want to hear about a new signing... especially when there is such a low opinion of the club he apparently would rather have joined (allegedly)

 

I could still see Ashley looking at a free transfer and £70k a week being better than £10m and £50k a week for an alternative player, just my opinion tho. He was on £50k at West Ham and it would be extremely rare for a player to leave on a free and move to another club for less money... would be surprised by that massively, especially if there's more than one team bidding for his signiture.

 

Maybe the £70k a week is BS? Who knows... could be less, but even if it is i'd expect it to be somewhere in between 50-70k.

 

Haha nah I think me and you should stick to the photography chat and leave football politics alone

 

why would you everton ITK know about the waged we offer though? i'm not doubting he's well connected with all things everton. it's just common knowledge now because of things the club have said and the fact that senior pros aren't getting improved contracts that we don't offer those wages anymore. so in the case of ba, that's not why you lot lost out to him. sorry

[OTF 7216]

Sounds like Ba heard the offer from us, decided he'd need an extra 35K to compensate if he played for Everton and tried it on with them in a way that wouldn't offend.

[McFaul 35]

£70,000 a week Mike Ashley, 70k. Do they put white powder on your chips, at Stargate Chippy???!!

 

 

Haha actually not had owt from there for a while... I think you've just sorted out tonights tea for me

Never been for years, 5th best chippy I've ever been to.

[ajax_andy 0]

Andy there are more supporters going through the turnstiles throughout each month of the season on Tyneside than there is on Merseyside. Each area has 2 premier league clubs but Merseyside has a population of around 500k to 750k more than Tyne and Wear. And Merseyside has one club with a much vaunted 'world wide fanbase'...not that it helps them fill their place that often either....;-)

 

 

Ok so you're using Sunderland as an example, yet its in a different area completely and is again a one club city.

 

I see what you are trying to say, but at the end of the day your point isnt exactly a fair comparison.

 

Manchester would be one that you could compare Liverpool too as this is also a true 2 club city.... Tyne & Wear aint.

 

Anyway this is all getting rather tiresome... Its the same old shite debate, you love your club, I love mine, lets just move on from it as no-one gives a shit... we'll pick up the debate again in the future no doubt, mainly when we finish above you yet again next season or when Ba's knee implodes in the 1st minute of the 1st match of the season

 

I'll keep any info I get regarding your club to myself in future... you're all very defensive and even if I had a video of the negotiations in which Ba gets a £70k a week contract you would still all get up in arms about some Toffee on here daring to tell you something that's not from a geordie lol!

 

It would be nice to share info without hostility, but I guess there's no such thing as a perfect world eh?

You mentioned the 'one club city' thing and I was just illustrating that if you look at population (and if you want to, trophies won in the last 40 odd years..and lets face it, you do) that there should be far more people watching football on Merseyside. You can offer an opinion why if you want, but no worries if you don't. Just wanted to make the point. And try not to beleive uncheckable sources on the internet. It does make you appear rather foolish in this thread, and,it has to be said,suffering from a nasty case of sour grapes.

 

ps....you may want to consider how much we payed the player's agent/s if you want to get to the real reason why he came here.

 

Yeah I see where you are going with it, but Sunderland and Newcastle are like Liverpool or Everton and Man City/Utd. Sunderland is a one club city, so everyone from that city supports Sunderland, Newcastle is a one club city, so everyone from that city supports Newcastle. Its a split demographic in Liverpool which ultimately has a knock on effect of how many supporters each gets through their gates per week.

 

So I still dont think its a fair comparison.

 

Well like i said I was sharing info, it all got a bit out of hand and maybe it was niave of me to think that it was worth sharing. I'll keep it to myself in future.

 

No sour grapes though on my behalf... I dont want another injury prone striker, and dont think my club can afford to pay the wages of someone who might harldy play over a 3-5 year contract. Would much rather we sold a player and brought in a young hotshot on lower wages with a long future ahead of him, or at least a large sell on fee.

 

Yes agents fees were apparently very high too (£2m I believe?) which isn't helpful when on a tight budget.

[ajax_andy 0]

Can't see the wage being £70K like Andy. Kinda goes against our whole salary cap etc. Nolan left as we wouldnt give him what West Ham are (55k and 5 years iirc). I know a couple of people told you it, but it just doesnt make sense. Also tbf, nearly everyone who has any "itk" stuff at the moment is said to be bullshitting (not you personally). Seems to be the thing this year for some reason, worse than usual.

 

I'll not get into the handbag passing contest

 

 

Aye well the £70k came from one ITK that I dont know as he posts on a different forum but apparently has got a good track record as far as incoming transfers to Everton.

 

This Sheedy guy says that Ba asked us to meet the Toons demands and would join if we did... I trust him. I'm not surprised no-one on here does as its not what you'd want to hear about a new signing... especially when there is such a low opinion of the club he apparently would rather have joined (allegedly)

 

I could still see Ashley looking at a free transfer and £70k a week being better than £10m and £50k a week for an alternative player, just my opinion tho. He was on £50k at West Ham and it would be extremely rare for a player to leave on a free and move to another club for less money... would be surprised by that massively, especially if there's more than one team bidding for his signiture.

 

Maybe the £70k a week is BS? Who knows... could be less, but even if it is i'd expect it to be somewhere in between 50-70k.

 

Haha nah I think me and you should stick to the photography chat and leave football politics alone

 

why would you everton ITK know about the waged we offer though? i'm not doubting he's well connected with all things everton. it's just common knowledge now because of things the club have said and the fact that senior pros aren't getting improved contracts that we don't offer those wages anymore. so in the case of ba, that's not why you lot lost out to him. sorry

 

 

Because apparently Ba came back to us and said you'd offered it, and would join us if we offered the same.

 

Maybe he was trying to pull a fast one and play the two teams off against each other if that's not the wage you offered?

[ajax_andy 0]

£70,000 a week Mike Ashley, 70k. Do they put white powder on your chips, at Stargate Chippy???!!

 

 

Haha actually not had owt from there for a while... I think you've just sorted out tonights tea for me

Never been for years, 5th best chippy I've ever been to.

 

Aye its pretty good like... the portions are massive too which means you only need one bag of chips between two (yeah i'm a cheap skate lol)

 

God damn it i'm really hungry now lol!

[Craig 6670]

It's that bit that is beyond believable though in my view. It's the same as every time we get a player Everton are interested in, "he's went for the money". I'd rather sign for someone like Fulham or Sunderland if I was a player personally.

 

A foreigner (even if he has been here a while) would have a colder view though Stevie - he'd see Everton's stability as a plus - I think you're right by the way but could see it being true anyway.

A foreigner will be aware of Newcastle United over Everton though. He'd see the facilities, regardless what we think of Ashley there's money to invest in the team through the AC money and now Nolan, he'd see we've just signed someone who plays for his adopted country, he's obviously aware of who our transfer targets are, he'd be aware that our stadium is like a Rolls Royce compared to a Talbot Avenger at Goodison, he'd see a fanbase that is akin to U2 compared to Black Lace. He'd see a team that in recent memory were competing in the Champions League in March. Everton are skint, they can't compete with West Brom money wise let alone us, just a totally unattractive proposition.

 

 

Or he'd see a team that has done nothing for many many years... hell even in your golden patch of the 90's we won more than you lol!

 

He'll see a team that got relegated recently and a graveyard for many foreign footballers who came to you and were never heard of again.

 

So yes you have a nice stadium, but you have a complete mong in charge, you think your reputation as a club is second to none, when anyone I know who supports another team (Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Sunderland) think your club is a joke. You lurch from one pr disaster to another, one footballing disaster to another, and yet you still think everyone looks at your club through the same rose tinted black and white spectacles you do.

 

Its just not the case.

 

There are 2 sides to every story, you have a lovely stadium, and a very passionate and loyal support... both things should be recognised as being a big positive factor, I have not denied that at any point on this board.

 

However you have MANY bad points to your club, and that is the reason you've won nothing in 50 years and why no-one takes you seriously as a major force in the game... your poor league finishes also back up this viewpoint.

 

My club doesn't have the nice stadium, and has less fans coming through the turnstiles... however you are a one club city and get 55,000... Liverpool is a 2 club city and gets gates of nearly 80,000 between then clubs, so I dont see much difference there.

 

We have excellent stability, consistent high placed finishes, and an excellent manager - all big draws for a player who isn't motivated by just money alone. We take players and develop them, we make them internationals and give them a home where they want to stay for the rest of their careers (in the main part i.e. Cahill, Tim Howard etc)

 

Please stop harping on about being in the champions league nearly a decade or more ago... I can hardly remember it so I hardly think anyone other than you lot give a rats arse about it.

Of the last 12 seasons, you have finished above us 6 times and we have finished above you 6 times yet you have the temerity to write that no one takes us seriosuly because of our because of our poor league finishes and you are a big draw because of your consistent high finishes.

 

Do you realise how much of a wanker that makes you sound?

 

 

In the last 6 seasons we've finshed above you... how many footballers are gonna give a fuck where you finished 12-6 years ago?

 

So yes finishing 6th, 5th,5th, 8th, 7th will be a draw for a player over a team who have finished 12th, 12th, 18th (relegated), N/A, 12th

 

If you think its not then I can't help you i'm afraid.

 

Its not just your poor finishes in recent times, its the way your club conducts its business. I'm responding to the fact you said people see your club as being a shiny beacon of awesomeness, when in fact anyone I know who supports someone else thinks the complete opposite.

 

Hang on a minute, you can't use that argument and then in the next breath try to beat us with the "you've not won anything for 50 years" line. If footballers aren't "gonna give a fuck where you finished 12-6 years ago", what does the previous 38 years matter?

 

[ChezGiven 0]

It's that bit that is beyond believable though in my view. It's the same as every time we get a player Everton are interested in, "he's went for the money". I'd rather sign for someone like Fulham or Sunderland if I was a player personally.

 

A foreigner (even if he has been here a while) would have a colder view though Stevie - he'd see Everton's stability as a plus - I think you're right by the way but could see it being true anyway.

A foreigner will be aware of Newcastle United over Everton though. He'd see the facilities, regardless what we think of Ashley there's money to invest in the team through the AC money and now Nolan, he'd see we've just signed someone who plays for his adopted country, he's obviously aware of who our transfer targets are, he'd be aware that our stadium is like a Rolls Royce compared to a Talbot Avenger at Goodison, he'd see a fanbase that is akin to U2 compared to Black Lace. He'd see a team that in recent memory were competing in the Champions League in March. Everton are skint, they can't compete with West Brom money wise let alone us, just a totally unattractive proposition.

 

 

Or he'd see a team that has done nothing for many many years... hell even in your golden patch of the 90's we won more than you lol!

 

He'll see a team that got relegated recently and a graveyard for many foreign footballers who came to you and were never heard of again.

 

So yes you have a nice stadium, but you have a complete mong in charge, you think your reputation as a club is second to none, when anyone I know who supports another team (Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Sunderland) think your club is a joke. You lurch from one pr disaster to another, one footballing disaster to another, and yet you still think everyone looks at your club through the same rose tinted black and white spectacles you do.

 

Its just not the case.

 

There are 2 sides to every story, you have a lovely stadium, and a very passionate and loyal support... both things should be recognised as being a big positive factor, I have not denied that at any point on this board.

 

However you have MANY bad points to your club, and that is the reason you've won nothing in 50 years and why no-one takes you seriously as a major force in the game... your poor league finishes also back up this viewpoint.

 

My club doesn't have the nice stadium, and has less fans coming through the turnstiles... however you are a one club city and get 55,000... Liverpool is a 2 club city and gets gates of nearly 80,000 between then clubs, so I dont see much difference there.

 

We have excellent stability, consistent high placed finishes, and an excellent manager - all big draws for a player who isn't motivated by just money alone. We take players and develop them, we make them internationals and give them a home where they want to stay for the rest of their careers (in the main part i.e. Cahill, Tim Howard etc)

 

Please stop harping on about being in the champions league nearly a decade or more ago... I can hardly remember it so I hardly think anyone other than you lot give a rats arse about it.

Of the last 12 seasons, you have finished above us 6 times and we have finished above you 6 times yet you have the temerity to write that no one takes us seriosuly because of our because of our poor league finishes and you are a big draw because of your consistent high finishes.

 

Do you realise how much of a wanker that makes you sound?

 

 

In the last 6 seasons we've finshed above you... how many footballers are gonna give a fuck where you finished 12-6 years ago?

 

So yes finishing 6th, 5th,5th, 8th, 7th will be a draw for a player over a team who have finished 12th, 12th, 18th (relegated), N/A, 12th

 

If you think its not then I can't help you i'm afraid.

 

Its not just your poor finishes in recent times, its the way your club conducts its business. I'm responding to the fact you said people see your club as being a shiny beacon of awesomeness, when in fact anyone I know who supports someone else thinks the complete opposite.

 

Hang on a minute, you can't use that argument and then in the next breath try to beat us with the "you've not won anything for 50 years" line. If footballers aren't "gonna give a fuck where you finished 12-6 years ago", what does the previous 38 years matter?

 

To answer his question though, both Ben Arfa and Cabaye have referred to our history going back more than 6 years in their interviews with the french press on why they joined Newcastle. Ben Arfa actually referred directly to 2 players who signed over a decade ago. Now, players say all sorts of things for PR purposes but it does completely negate the point.

[McFaul 35]

Even saying the word Everton just puts grotty thoughts in your head. It's like saying T-K Maxx or Aldi. Well it is to me.

[Phil 6]

Demba Ba on 70k a week... :D

[manc-mag 1]

Basically we've sort of had a history since the Prem began that foreign types are aware of and residually we still have a bit of profile out of that. Everton don't, despite having actually won things during this same period-which we completely failed to do. Not a massive amount to crow about either way though whichever side of the debate you're on, although I'd personally love to have known what it felt like to actually win something, so I'm hardly going to start calling Everton.

 

The £70k figure is obviously a bit daft (and not true) though whichever way you slice it.

[Barney 0]

Basically we've sort of had a history since the Prem began that foreign types are aware of and residually we still have a bit of profile out of that. Everton don't, despite having actually won things during this same period-which we completely failed to do. Not a massive amount to crow about either way though whichever side of the debate you're on, although I'd personally love to have known what it felt like to actually win something, so I'm hardly going to start calling Everton.

 

The £70k figure is obviously a bit daft (and not true) though whichever way you slice it.

 

The way I look at it is he was playing Everton off us saying if he could get £70k from them by saying that's what we'd offered even if we hadn't.

 

The alternative is that we actually HAVE offered £70k p/w. I'm taking that to include a signing on fee(as he's a free agent) spread out over a portion or all of his 3year deal.

 

I'm taking the above from here:

 

The free signings Joe Cole and Milan Jovanovic, for example, earn £100,000 and £120,000 a week at Liverpool respectively, although the latter's astonishing salary includes a signing-on fee payable over the first 12 months of his contract.

 

link

[Ayatollah Hermione 13762]

Jimbo just retweeted someone claiming SSN is saying that he's failed his medical.

[Tom 14011]

Right, Back to Merseyside with the hapless shite.

[Ketsbaia 0]

Pardew has said there's a delay because of his knee problem.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13792378.stm

Edited June 17, 2011 by Ketsbaia