Meenzer 15531 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 In case you didnt know Tecato, Bæsj is the norwegian national dish, much like your fish`n`chips That explains a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) You want to challenge Spurs for 4th/5th? They're currently missing big first teamers like Adebayor, Bale, Dawson, Ekotto and Kaboul. Probably bigger misses than us. But look at how strong their bench was on Saturday... 24 Friedel - Full international 33 Caulker - Full International 06 Huddlestone - Full International 08 Parker - Full International 22 Sigurdsson - Full International 29 Livermore - Full International 31 Townsend - U21 International Who did we have again? 21 Elliot - got some games at Accrington Stanley 31 Ferguson - Full International 34 Tavernier - got some games for Milton Keynes Dons 20 Bigirimana - Coventry legend 22 Marveaux - U21 international 23 Sh Ameobi - Papa Nigeria 28 Sa Ameobi - 2 U21 games Saying we have the same problems with squad depth that our competitors do is demonstrably arse talk. Quotes from Shearer this morning: “Newcastle missed a huge opportunity in the summer.” “Having punched above their weight last season and almost made it into the top four, this was the time to spend.” “The club was up and running again after so many years mired in uncertainty.” “There was once again a feel-good factor and even Mike Ashley was enjoying it, but he needed to put his hand in his pocket and strengthen with two or three quality players.” “The best time to buy is when you are in a position of strength.” “It’s up to Ashley how much he spends, but just look at what Spurs did last summer.” “They pipped Newcastle to fourth place and went out and spent £57M on six players. Newcastle spent £8.1M on three and got a fourth in on a free.” “Nowadays in the Premier League you need to spend £15m just to stand still.” “Newcastle needed to move forward again, particularly with the demands of the Europa League factored into the equation.” “They should be knocking on the door of the top four and occasionally getting in it.” “Sadly the momentum built up by Alan Pardew last season has been lost and what is going on at St James’ right now is starting to look worrying.” Shearer reads TT Edited December 18, 2012 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 That explains a lot... They do say you are what you eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Alex you still believe we cant attact a better manager than Alan fucking Pardew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Quotes from Shearer this morning: “Newcastle missed a huge opportunity in the summer.” “Having punched above their weight last season and almost made it into the top four, this was the time to spend.” “The club was up and running again after so many years mired in uncertainty.” “There was once again a feel-good factor and even Mike Ashley was enjoying it, but he needed to put his hand in his pocket and strengthen with two or three quality players.” “The best time to buy is when you are in a position of strength.” “It’s up to Ashley how much he spends, but just look at what Spurs did last summer.” “They pipped Newcastle to fourth place and went out and spent £57M on six players. Newcastle spent £8.1M on three and got a fourth in on a free.” “Nowadays in the Premier League you need to spend £15m just to stand still.” “Newcastle needed to move forward again, particularly with the demands of the Europa League factored into the equation.” “They should be knocking on the door of the top four and occasionally getting in it.” “Sadly the momentum built up by Alan Pardew last season has been lost and what is going on at St James’ right now is starting to look worrying.” Shearer reads TT Shearer conveniently forgot that Spurs also sold players for nigh on £60m. We both had more or less nil net spend, but Spurs sold Modric for silly money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Alex you still believe we cant attact a better manager than Alan fucking Pardew? That's what he's asking you man Bjorn. Divvent just repeat the question. Who do you eagerly anticipate coming here on less money than Nile fucking Ranger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Shearer conveniently forgot that Spurs also sold players for nigh on £60m. We both had more or less nil net spend, but Spurs sold Modric for silly money. We sold a player for silly money ourselves the year before. All that cash never got reinvested mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Shearer conveniently forgot that Spurs also sold players for nigh on £60m. We both had more or less nil net spend, but Spurs sold Modric for silly money. In a way, this could be the model that Ashley is tying to follow. Maybe he didnt think there was enough money on the table early enough for Cabaye or HBA and didnt want to do a deal at the end for fear of getting a Carroll type backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Alex you still believe we cant attact a better manager than Alan fucking Pardew? As HF points out, I was asking you that, more or less, so I'll ask again as the answer which you said was forthcoming seems not to have appeared: are you suggesting the salary on offer and the working transfer budget constraints wouldn't have an effect on the type of candidate we could attract to take over as manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 As HF points out, I was asking you that, more or less, so I'll ask again as the answer which you said was forthcoming seems not to have appeared: are you suggesting the salary on offer and the working transfer budget constraints wouldn't have an effect on the type of candidate we could attract to take over as manager? Let me just start by saying if we dont, then its a mute point to engage in ANY debate ever again concerning the manager because surely anyone they would replace him with would be infinately worse. For me its come to a point where I`d replace him with any of the other managers in the division save for perhaps Artie Marty. So from that point of view - yeah finding a better manager should be doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 That's not what I asked. However, obviously people can criticise the manager (where did I say people couldn't?). The point I'm making is both obvious and pertinent though, especially in response to someone continually calling for Pardew's head. Who do you think would come here for £500k a year? I.e. roughly what Nile Ranger is on. And, as I've pointed out, they aren't going to have a lot of money to spend (zero/negative net spend perhaps). They're also going to have to work with the players someone else has chosen, i.e. Graham Carr. Another constraint, arguably. I'm sure there would be plenty people willing to take the job but I don't think they'd be what you'd call blue chip candidates. And I don't see Ashley changing tack and appointing a big name on a big wage, do you? So you can shout for the manager's head but unless you consider the alternatives it's just mindless whingeing that's not based on a pragmatic assessment of the reality at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 That's not what I asked. However, obviously people can criticise the manager (where did I say people couldn't?). You didnt, but by that reasoning we should be grateful to have pardew since noone else wants to come here on what would no doubt be peanuts offered. Fair enough if thats your view. Im not disagreeing with what you said btw, theres alot in it - but I think we might still be able to attract some fairly good managers - albeit obviously not in the mourinho division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 You didnt, but by that reasoning we should be grateful to have pardew since noone else wants to come here on what would no doubt be peanuts offered. Fair enough if thats your view. I'm not sure why you'd think that was my view, given I said later in the same post I thought plenty managers would take the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 By noone else is implied noone good or better than pardew. Which is basically what we disagree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 and as you well know I dont rate pardew at all - and I havent seen anything in his career to suggest otherwise. So finding someone better shouldnt be that hard. Chris hughton would be an upgrade ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Which is why I asked who you thought would come and work under those conditions. Because I bet even Laudrup and Martinez, let alone Jol, Moyes etc. are on much more money than Pardew is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Which is why I asked who you thought would come and work under those conditions. Because I bet even Laudrup and Martinez, let alone Jol, Moyes etc. are on much more money than Pardew is on. So we cant match wigan and swanseas manager budget? I hope thats not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Difference between could and would. Like Ashley could afford to spend £20m on a forward in January, but he won't. Do you reckon Laudrup's on £500k a year like? I'd take him over Pardew but it's not realistic when you factor in compensation for them, what you'd pay Laudrup and Pardew's £1m pay-off. Ashley won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 So we cant match wigan and swanseas manager budget? I hope thats not true. not been paying much attention to Ashley since he's been here have we? Pardew was Ashley's appointment...so who really is to blame for this season?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Pardew is on the same money as Chelsea's goalkeeping coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Quotes from Shearer this morning: “Newcastle missed a huge opportunity in the summer.” “Having punched above their weight last season and almost made it into the top four, this was the time to spend.” “The club was up and running again after so many years mired in uncertainty.” “There was once again a feel-good factor and even Mike Ashley was enjoying it, but he needed to put his hand in his pocket and strengthen with two or three quality players.” “The best time to buy is when you are in a position of strength.” “It’s up to Ashley how much he spends, but just look at what Spurs did last summer.” “They pipped Newcastle to fourth place and went out and spent £57M on six players. Newcastle spent £8.1M on three and got a fourth in on a free.” “Nowadays in the Premier League you need to spend £15m just to stand still.” “Newcastle needed to move forward again, particularly with the demands of the Europa League factored into the equation.” “They should be knocking on the door of the top four and occasionally getting in it.” “Sadly the momentum built up by Alan Pardew last season has been lost and what is going on at St James’ right now is starting to look worrying.” Shearer reads TT he's spot on to be fair. we had a massive chance to kick on and we failed to sign one player capable of going straight into the first team. calling for pardew's head is daft. he did a great job last season and deserves a chance to turn it around. he earned the right to have the owner spend more than he did in the summer window. the best move is to retain our playing squad and add some quality in the winter window - something that should have been done in the summer. even if he is sacked, who will ashley realistically get in? i hear joe kinear is out of work at the moment, or maybe dennis wise fancies another crack at management. Edited December 19, 2012 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeris 0 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) not been paying much attention to Ashley since he's been here have we? Pardew was Ashley's appointment...so who really is to blame for this season?... True, that makes Pardew/Ashley/Llambias a trinity.... Now imagine if your wife/gf(Newcastle) was blatantly sleeping with another guy (this trinity), would just you keep blindly loving her? You as a man would either try to rip the head of that other man (P/A/L), or just leave the wife (Newcastle). What do you choose? Edited December 19, 2012 by Aeris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Difference between could and would. Like Ashley could afford to spend £20m on a forward in January, but he won't. Do you reckon Laudrup's on £500k a year like? I'd take him over Pardew but it's not realistic when you factor in compensation for them, what you'd pay Laudrup and Pardew's £1m pay-off. Ashley won't do it. Just because Pardew is on 500k doesnt mean thats the ceiling necessarily... if relegation really becomes a threat then I am sure they realise that they will have to pay up a bit more to get someone in who can steady the ship again. That being said they are probably happy enough having a yes man on 500k who defends the regime, that they wont do anything unless absolutely fucking necessary. FWIW Hughton was sacked for being 11th in the league first year back after being relegated. Now we are on relegation form with a team full of stars. Make of that what you will in regards to how blameless pardew is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just because Pardew is on 500k doesnt mean thats the ceiling necessarily... if relegation really becomes a threat then I am sure they realise that they will have to pay up a bit more to get someone in who can steady the ship again. what, like last time when they got joe kinear in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 And every expensive transfer is going to be a Luque/Owen signing is it? Sometimes transfers or managers dont work out, that shouldnt be used as an arguement for not spending at all. Money doesnt guarantee success, but show me ONE club whos had it WITHOUT spending money. If you dont spend you will be left behind. Its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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