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I get your point LM but I agree with what most are trying to say. You can't really say Liverpool are building when they spend £20M on one and we are scrimping as we pay £5M on a player. End of the day it's what the manager can do with the players he has. For £20M we can have a Ben Arfa AND Cabate AND Tiote and still have change? We seem to have spent better no? If we spent the £20M on Ben Arfa only would that have made you feel better?

 

Now you know I dont support the owner but when buying in concerned, he is doing "ok". I think their stance on Barton and Nolan is short sited however they are protecting the long term interest of the club (not being stuck with an older player who might not be doing it) but the player is protecting his interest (wanting a longer and potentially final contract at a bigger club). I hope that on one or both of those a resolution in the middle may be found as I think losing Barton this summer would be a huge mistake.

 

see JawD, I don't believe he has the long term success of the club in mind at all, I think [as I have always done] that he just wants to stay in the premiership with as small an outlay as possible and hope to make a small profit for himself, and if that means selling any decent player we find for peanuts so be it.

 

I dont think selling Carroll for £35M was peanuts? Who else would you say we have incorrectly sold? I think Given and Milner were undersold but it's not like he is trying to cash in on any others (that we know of....). Of course it's a concern, it's tempting to think he wants to buy cheap and then sell for a profit. But, he's hardly been making himself any coin? I sound like an apologist here but Im far from it, I just like to take a balanced view as I see it.

 

Liverpool can offer the carrot of CL football to players and could Spurs to a degree, both teams wanting to push for it next season. We could offer what? A push for a top 10? I'd take that though as that would show steady progress than Im happy with. Course Id love nothing more than to be in Europe again. Doesnt have to be CL, playing in Europe brings a certain buzz as you know. Top ten next season, top 8 the one after etc. Course, that can only happen if we retain the best players. We couldnt knock back Carroll, letting Barton go will be a mistake imo if he does and I hope Nolan can be sorted (have 2 years yet though, realistically one). Enrique is a tough one but if he wants to go theres not much we can do. I get the idea he is holding on to see if an offer comes along before he will sign with us again. This is where we should be convincing him we are heading up and not happy sitting in 11-13th.

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Do I or anyone else need to contribute anything when you will just make up what we have said as you go along anyway?

 

I made my contribution to this thread by stating I think they paid well over the odds for Henderson and if we signed him for that amount I would have been annoyed. As usual you went off on one of your rants where me saying I thought one of their signings was a bad one actually meant I thought their whole transfer policy over the last 40 years was wrong ;)

 

It's the same old ridiculous histrionics we have all come to expect from you though I suppose.

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I get your point LM but I agree with what most are trying to say. You can't really say Liverpool are building when they spend £20M on one and we are scrimping as we pay £5M on a player. End of the day it's what the manager can do with the players he has. For £20M we can have a Ben Arfa AND Cabate AND Tiote and still have change? We seem to have spent better no? If we spent the £20M on Ben Arfa only would that have made you feel better?

 

Now you know I dont support the owner but when buying in concerned, he is doing "ok". I think their stance on Barton and Nolan is short sited however they are protecting the long term interest of the club (not being stuck with an older player who might not be doing it) but the player is protecting his interest (wanting a longer and potentially final contract at a bigger club). I hope that on one or both of those a resolution in the middle may be found as I think losing Barton this summer would be a huge mistake.

 

see JawD, I don't believe he has the long term success of the club in mind at all, I think [as I have always done] that he just wants to stay in the premiership with as small an outlay as possible and hope to make a small profit for himself, and if that means selling any decent player we find for peanuts so be it.

 

I dont think selling Carroll for £35M was peanuts? Who else would you say we have incorrectly sold? I think Given and Milner were undersold but it's not like he is trying to cash in on any others (that we know of....). Of course it's a concern, it's tempting to think he wants to buy cheap and then sell for a profit. But, he's hardly been making himself any coin? I sound like an apologist here but Im far from it, I just like to take a balanced view as I see it.

 

Liverpool can offer the carrot of CL football to players and could Spurs to a degree, both teams wanting to push for it next season. We could offer what? A push for a top 10? I'd take that though as that would show steady progress than Im happy with. Course Id love nothing more than to be in Europe again. Doesnt have to be CL, playing in Europe brings a certain buzz as you know. Top ten next season, top 8 the one after etc. Course, that can only happen if we retain the best players. We couldnt knock back Carroll, letting Barton go will be a mistake imo if he does and I hope Nolan can be sorted (have 2 years yet though, realistically one). Enrique is a tough one but if he wants to go theres not much we can do. I get the idea he is holding on to see if an offer comes along before he will sign with us again. This is where we should be convincing him we are heading up and not happy sitting in 11-13th.

 

sorry, I mean't "bought for peanuts".

 

You are right of course when you say we shouldn't be selling our top players, but why buy 2nd rate players at all when good ones become available, a big club like NUFC ? It only means you buy again later, this sort of thing is what smaller clubs do. Buying two good strikers and offloading Best and Ameobi to offset the cost if need be, why not ? Is it preferable to buy a slightly better player than those, and keeping them for a few years then another better one, by which time you have lost players like Enrique and Tiotte ?

 

It's a myth, this "building slowly". Again, NUFC are bigger than that. Get it right the first time then look elsewhere in the team and move people out to accommodate them if you have to. This is, again, how the successful clubs do it, so who are we to say differently ? Do people really think they know better than how Liverpool have run their club for 40 years and won what they have won ? Mind boggling.

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I get your point LM but I agree with what most are trying to say. You can't really say Liverpool are building when they spend £20M on one and we are scrimping as we pay £5M on a player. End of the day it's what the manager can do with the players he has. For £20M we can have a Ben Arfa AND Cabate AND Tiote and still have change? We seem to have spent better no? If we spent the £20M on Ben Arfa only would that have made you feel better?

 

Now you know I dont support the owner but when buying in concerned, he is doing "ok". I think their stance on Barton and Nolan is short sited however they are protecting the long term interest of the club (not being stuck with an older player who might not be doing it) but the player is protecting his interest (wanting a longer and potentially final contract at a bigger club). I hope that on one or both of those a resolution in the middle may be found as I think losing Barton this summer would be a huge mistake.

 

see JawD, I don't believe he has the long term success of the club in mind at all, I think [as I have always done] that he just wants to stay in the premiership with as small an outlay as possible and hope to make a small profit for himself, and if that means selling any decent player we find for peanuts so be it.

 

I dont think selling Carroll for £35M was peanuts? Who else would you say we have incorrectly sold? I think Given and Milner were undersold but it's not like he is trying to cash in on any others (that we know of....). Of course it's a concern, it's tempting to think he wants to buy cheap and then sell for a profit. But, he's hardly been making himself any coin? I sound like an apologist here but Im far from it, I just like to take a balanced view as I see it.

 

Liverpool can offer the carrot of CL football to players and could Spurs to a degree, both teams wanting to push for it next season. We could offer what? A push for a top 10? I'd take that though as that would show steady progress than Im happy with. Course Id love nothing more than to be in Europe again. Doesnt have to be CL, playing in Europe brings a certain buzz as you know. Top ten next season, top 8 the one after etc. Course, that can only happen if we retain the best players. We couldnt knock back Carroll, letting Barton go will be a mistake imo if he does and I hope Nolan can be sorted (have 2 years yet though, realistically one). Enrique is a tough one but if he wants to go theres not much we can do. I get the idea he is holding on to see if an offer comes along before he will sign with us again. This is where we should be convincing him we are heading up and not happy sitting in 11-13th.

 

My thoughts exactly, especially the apologist part. It feels like if you don't proclaim him the devil or even go as far to disagree with something negative said about him/mention something remotely positive he has done then you are an Ashley fan boy and he obviously can do no wrong etc..

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Do I or anyone else need to contribute anything when you will just make up what we have said as you go along anyway?

 

I made my contribution to this thread by stating I think they paid well over the odds for Henderson and if we signed him for that amount I would have been annoyed. As usual you went off on one of your rants where me saying I thought one of their signings was a bad one actually meant I thought their whole transfer policy over the last 40 years was wrong ;)

 

It's the same old ridiculous histrionics we have all come to expect from you though I suppose.

 

oh dear. YOU think so, but Liverpool don't. Are you going to argue with Liverpools record, and have you seen Henderson play ? Or are you just trying to justify our 2nd rate transfer policy [which I suspect is the case]

 

So lad. Answer the questions. I don't know if he is worth it yet and neither do you, so cut out the crap and wait and see which club's transfer policy does the best on the pitch.

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Do I or anyone else need to contribute anything when you will just make up what we have said as you go along anyway?

 

I made my contribution to this thread by stating I think they paid well over the odds for Henderson and if we signed him for that amount I would have been annoyed. As usual you went off on one of your rants where me saying I thought one of their signings was a bad one actually meant I thought their whole transfer policy over the last 40 years was wrong ;)

 

It's the same old ridiculous histrionics we have all come to expect from you though I suppose.

 

oh dear. YOU think so, but Liverpool don't. Are you going to argue with Liverpools record, and have you seen Henderson play ? Or are you just trying to justify our 2nd rate transfer policy [which I suspect is the case]

 

So lad. Answer the questions. I don't know if he is worth it yet and neither do you, so cut out the crap and wait and see which club's transfer policy does the best on the pitch.

 

 

I, like a lot of people think Liverpool have well overpaid for this player, not their whole transfer record over 40 years you stupid old twat. This transfer strategy will have also changed a number of times but this seems to completely pass you by for some reason.

 

I have seen him a few times and he looks nothing remotely special, this seems to be a common opinion and not just amongst Newcastle fans who would be slightly biased. In fact, if anything it would be better if Henderson was this brilliant player because then it wouldn't be Sunderland getting a lot of money for what looks like a distincitvely average player.

 

Does that answer your question? I will expect not because you are a bit thick and I am not sure you understand what your question really is but I have tried my best.

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Do I or anyone else need to contribute anything when you will just make up what we have said as you go along anyway?

 

I made my contribution to this thread by stating I think they paid well over the odds for Henderson and if we signed him for that amount I would have been annoyed. As usual you went off on one of your rants where me saying I thought one of their signings was a bad one actually meant I thought their whole transfer policy over the last 40 years was wrong ;)

 

It's the same old ridiculous histrionics we have all come to expect from you though I suppose.

 

oh dear. YOU think so, but Liverpool don't. Are you going to argue with Liverpools record, and have you seen Henderson play ? Or are you just trying to justify our 2nd rate transfer policy [which I suspect is the case]

 

So lad. Answer the questions. I don't know if he is worth it yet and neither do you, so cut out the crap and wait and see which club's transfer policy does the best on the pitch.

 

 

I, like a lot of people think Liverpool have well overpaid for this player, not their whole transfer record over 40 years you stupid old twat. This transfer strategy will have also changed a number of times but this seems to completely pass you by for some reason.

 

I have seen him a few times and he looks nothing remotely special, this seems to be a common opinion and not just amongst Newcastle fans who would be slightly biased. In fact, if anything it would be better if Henderson was this brilliant player because then it wouldn't be Sunderland getting a lot of money for what looks like a distincitvely average player.

 

Does that answer your question? I will expect not because you are a bit thick and I am not sure you understand what your question really is but I have tried my best.

 

 

Well, shitforbrains, I am sorry but I am finding all this criticism about Liverpool and their transfer policy and ambitions [by those attempting to justify our own 2nd rate ambitions] fantastically embarrassing

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Do I or anyone else need to contribute anything when you will just make up what we have said as you go along anyway?

 

I made my contribution to this thread by stating I think they paid well over the odds for Henderson and if we signed him for that amount I would have been annoyed. As usual you went off on one of your rants where me saying I thought one of their signings was a bad one actually meant I thought their whole transfer policy over the last 40 years was wrong ;)

 

It's the same old ridiculous histrionics we have all come to expect from you though I suppose.

 

oh dear. YOU think so, but Liverpool don't. Are you going to argue with Liverpools record, and have you seen Henderson play ? Or are you just trying to justify our 2nd rate transfer policy [which I suspect is the case]

 

So lad. Answer the questions. I don't know if he is worth it yet and neither do you, so cut out the crap and wait and see which club's transfer policy does the best on the pitch.

 

 

I, like a lot of people think Liverpool have well overpaid for this player, not their whole transfer record over 40 years you stupid old twat. This transfer strategy will have also changed a number of times but this seems to completely pass you by for some reason.

 

I have seen him a few times and he looks nothing remotely special, this seems to be a common opinion and not just amongst Newcastle fans who would be slightly biased. In fact, if anything it would be better if Henderson was this brilliant player because then it wouldn't be Sunderland getting a lot of money for what looks like a distincitvely average player.

 

Does that answer your question? I will expect not because you are a bit thick and I am not sure you understand what your question really is but I have tried my best.

 

 

Well, shitforbrains, I am sorry but I am finding all this criticism about Liverpool and their transfer policy and ambitions [by those attempting to justify our own 2nd rate ambitions] fantastically embarrassing

 

 

Stop making them up then ;)

 

If you didn't read peoples posts then add loads of shit up that they didn't say in your head you might not get so angry :D

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the club is in decline. I don't know if Henderson is as good a prospect as Carroll or not, do you ? Or are you casting judgement on him without seeing him play ? Peabrain indeed.

 

My point is Liverpool think he is good enough to play for them and their aspirations, and have paid the money they think he is worth.

 

Peabrain again, this is not difficult.

I've seen Henderson play and sure, at times he's seemed decent, but no more impressive than, say Jack Rodwell, or Jamie O'Hara.

 

I get your point, You think that Liverpool believe Henderson to be worth £20m to them and I'm saying they're wrong. He's not £20m worth of talent, he's just simply not. They're paying above the going rate because he's English. Not because he had a blinding season (because he didn't), not because he's a precocious talent (because he's not), but because he's English.

 

We've signed Yohan Cabaye, who has been an integral part of Lille's double winning team, for £4.8m after extensive scouting and all that nonsense.

 

so;

Yohan Cabaye promising title and cup winner.. £4.8m

Jordan Henderson promising and... English......£20m

 

Stick your fucking retarded black and white view of the world up your fat racist arse. ;)

 

in other words, you think our transfer policy is going to produce a superior football team to Liverpool ?

 

it's you who has a "black and white view of the world" when you turn your nose up at looking at how other clubs have attained success [including the best performance from our own club in half a century].

 

Stupid deluded, parochial, insular cunt.

Do you know what either of those terms mean? ;)

 

Also, point to me, in any of my posts, where I have stated that our transfer policy is going to produce a superior football team to Liverpool.

 

Point to me where, in any of my posts I have turned my nose up at other clubs have attained success.

 

I'd be happy if we bought players at the cheapest price we could but were not dissuaded from our target simply because his actual valuation is high. Ben Arfa was a steal at £5m, and Henderson is overpriced at £20m. I'm not sure what you're not understanding. Liverpool have paid over the odds twice, which means if I was an owner of a club with a player attracting attention from the Red Side of Scouseland I'd stick a premium on his cost. If I was a player attracting their attention I'd demand higher wages.

 

We're getting a reputation for driving a hard-bargain and we're not getting a reputation for going only for bargain basement deals. So what's the problem? Will you only be satisfied if the incoming player has a phat price tag?

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I get your point LM but I agree with what most are trying to say. You can't really say Liverpool are building when they spend £20M on one and we are scrimping as we pay £5M on a player. End of the day it's what the manager can do with the players he has. For £20M we can have a Ben Arfa AND Cabate AND Tiote and still have change? We seem to have spent better no? If we spent the £20M on Ben Arfa only would that have made you feel better?

 

Now you know I dont support the owner but when buying in concerned, he is doing "ok". I think their stance on Barton and Nolan is short sited however they are protecting the long term interest of the club (not being stuck with an older player who might not be doing it) but the player is protecting his interest (wanting a longer and potentially final contract at a bigger club). I hope that on one or both of those a resolution in the middle may be found as I think losing Barton this summer would be a huge mistake.

 

see JawD, I don't believe he has the long term success of the club in mind at all, I think [as I have always done] that he just wants to stay in the premiership with as small an outlay as possible and hope to make a small profit for himself, and if that means selling any decent player we find for peanuts so be it.

 

I dont think selling Carroll for £35M was peanuts? Who else would you say we have incorrectly sold? I think Given and Milner were undersold but it's not like he is trying to cash in on any others (that we know of....). Of course it's a concern, it's tempting to think he wants to buy cheap and then sell for a profit. But, he's hardly been making himself any coin? I sound like an apologist here but Im far from it, I just like to take a balanced view as I see it.

 

Liverpool can offer the carrot of CL football to players and could Spurs to a degree, both teams wanting to push for it next season. We could offer what? A push for a top 10? I'd take that though as that would show steady progress than Im happy with. Course Id love nothing more than to be in Europe again. Doesnt have to be CL, playing in Europe brings a certain buzz as you know. Top ten next season, top 8 the one after etc. Course, that can only happen if we retain the best players. We couldnt knock back Carroll, letting Barton go will be a mistake imo if he does and I hope Nolan can be sorted (have 2 years yet though, realistically one). Enrique is a tough one but if he wants to go theres not much we can do. I get the idea he is holding on to see if an offer comes along before he will sign with us again. This is where we should be convincing him we are heading up and not happy sitting in 11-13th.

 

sorry, I mean't "bought for peanuts".

 

You are right of course when you say we shouldn't be selling our top players, but why buy 2nd rate players at all when good ones become available, a big club like NUFC ? It only means you buy again later, this sort of thing is what smaller clubs do. Buying two good strikers and offloading Best and Ameobi to offset the cost if need be, why not ? Is it preferable to buy a slightly better player than those, and keeping them for a few years then another better one, by which time you have lost players like Enrique and Tiotte ?

 

It's a myth, this "building slowly". Again, NUFC are bigger than that. Get it right the first time then look elsewhere in the team and move people out to accommodate them if you have to. This is, again, how the successful clubs do it, so who are we to say differently ? Do people really think they know better than how Liverpool have run their club for 40 years and won what they have won ? Mind boggling.

 

I dont mind paying "peanuts" for a player if he turns to be good enough. The club under MA have bought good players that have remained with the club and still are. Football has changed loads since we last brought in a top top player. That said, I doint think FS would blink at paying £20-£25M on a player now. I dont think MA likes that level of risk perhaps after seeing us waste millions on over paid players that just didnt fit for whatever reason. Not a big risk taer. Odd given his gambling tendancies...

 

I think rather than buy "big" players we are buying "small" players. It's still a gamble whether they pay off (see Perch, Best etc) but when they do (see Tiote) it's well worth it. I dont think Id knock what Liverpool are doing I just dont think it's right for us. Say we have £35M to spend (I think we have less in transfer funds), would you really rather we spent that £35M on one player or two players? The squads is thin and needs improving and we need more like 4 players so Id rather see that happen. Mind, it's not just transfer funds that are the problem, it's wages. This I think highlights your point better than the proce of a player. We know we no longer offer top wages so no matter what the transfer fund of a player is, they wont come for £40K a week or whatever. But, I think we could get into Europe without a side full of £100K a week players, but perhaps not the CL.

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Still waiting for this performance that changes my mind, some comments:

 

"20million pounds. The New Gerard. I'm waiting for the transfer window to close with some kind of rescheduled April fools day announcement.

 

I'd be vexed if we found him at Hartlepool for 200k. Any Mackem that was sad to see him go wants their head checking. A completely nothing player if ever there was one, he adds nothing."

 

"Would also much rather see Rodwell and Wilshire as our central pairing.

 

The £20m man is invisible."

 

"Of course he is, happens every time people are 'watching him' He's like those Ghosts from Mario that stand still when you look at them, but do wonders when you turn your back. "

 

That one was rather good ;)

 

"Jordan Henderson doing what he does best so far. Hide in the middle of the park"

 

"Cleverley is far far better than Henderson. "

 

 

 

Just saying, as said I/we are probably completely wrong and he does have this ability somewhere, maybe he just saves it for the behind closed door games where he turns into Zidane? ;)

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maybe he needs to be put up against James Perch ?

 

 

Doesn't make any sense at all but yeah, makes complete sense. ;)

 

it probably makes perfect sense to anybody with half a brain.

 

Tell you what Gejon, on the basis that Mike Ashley is still owner of NUFC I'll bet you that Liverpool finish above NUFC next season [as you think they are doing it wrong and we are doing it right] ? And this time next year I'll give you the option of double or quits for the season after too ?

 

That would be after 6 years of Mike Ashleys "plan" by then ?

 

Yes or no ?

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maybe he needs to be put up against James Perch ?

 

 

Doesn't make any sense at all but yeah, makes complete sense. ;)

 

it probably makes perfect sense to anybody with half a brain.

 

Tell you what Gejon, on the basis that Mike Ashley is still owner of NUFC I'll bet you that Liverpool finish above NUFC next season [as you think they are doing it wrong and we are doing it right] ? And this time next year I'll give you the option of double or quits for the season after too ?

 

That would be after 6 years of Mike Ashleys "plan" by then ?

 

Yes or no ?

 

Well you compare a player that cost £1m with one that cost £20m, both who play in completely different positions anyway. Why didn't you go with Tiote? Is it because it would have made your stupid comment redundant? ;)

 

Of course not you fucking moron. How many times have we finished above Liverpool in the last 20 years? Where did I ever say Liverpool's whole transfer policy was wrong? I even said I was jealous of the two forwards they signed in January. I picked one transfer I think they paid well over the odds on, I have pointed this out already. Just how thick are you really?

 

Honestly it really is like hitting my head against a brick wall but instead of it making me thicker you seem to be having the negative affects on the old brain cells.

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maybe he needs to be put up against James Perch ?

 

 

Doesn't make any sense at all but yeah, makes complete sense. ;)

 

it probably makes perfect sense to anybody with half a brain.

 

Tell you what Gejon, on the basis that Mike Ashley is still owner of NUFC I'll bet you that Liverpool finish above NUFC next season [as you think they are doing it wrong and we are doing it right] ? And this time next year I'll give you the option of double or quits for the season after too ?

 

That would be after 6 years of Mike Ashleys "plan" by then ?

 

Yes or no ?

 

Well you compare a player that cost £1m with one that cost £20m, both who play in completely different positions anyway. Why didn't you go with Tiote? Is it because it would have made your stupid comment redundant? ;)

 

Of course not you fucking moron. How many times have we finished above Liverpool in the last 20 years? Where did I ever say Liverpool's whole transfer policy was wrong? I even said I was jealous of the two forwards they signed in January. I picked one transfer I think they paid well over the odds on, I have pointed this out already. Just how thick are you really?

 

Honestly it really is like hitting my head against a brick wall but instead of it making me thicker you seem to be having the negative affects on the old brain cells.

 

you will always find one signing to justify any "argument" you care to have, you're an imbecile. Show me 9 more Tiotes, guaranteed to become 20m players overnight, and you may have a point.

 

Basically, as I said, you and others are harping on about this transfer and making all this wild speculation about it because 1. You think it justifies the 2nd rate ambitions of NUFC, and 2. You are actually making this judgement without even having seen him play for the mackems, which Liverpool have, and THEY think he is worth the fee. Get it ? It isn't YOUR money, its THEIRS.

 

So we get to the whole point, if you are laughing at Liverpools transfer policy, tried and proven over 40 years of success and european football, and say ours is "better", put up the proof and accept my bet.

 

The ONLY times we have finished above Liverpool in the last FORTY years [not 20, but 40] is when the football club had owners who attempted to do it Liverpools way, and the way of other clubs who have been successful and played in europe regularly, and guess what happened ? :D

 

I realise you may not like the truth, but that is the truth. Are you going to take my bet or not ?

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maybe he needs to be put up against James Perch ?

 

 

Doesn't make any sense at all but yeah, makes complete sense. ;)

 

it probably makes perfect sense to anybody with half a brain.

 

Tell you what Gejon, on the basis that Mike Ashley is still owner of NUFC I'll bet you that Liverpool finish above NUFC next season [as you think they are doing it wrong and we are doing it right] ? And this time next year I'll give you the option of double or quits for the season after too ?

 

That would be after 6 years of Mike Ashleys "plan" by then ?

 

Yes or no ?

 

Well you compare a player that cost £1m with one that cost £20m, both who play in completely different positions anyway. Why didn't you go with Tiote? Is it because it would have made your stupid comment redundant? ;)

 

Of course not you fucking moron. How many times have we finished above Liverpool in the last 20 years? Where did I ever say Liverpool's whole transfer policy was wrong? I even said I was jealous of the two forwards they signed in January. I picked one transfer I think they paid well over the odds on, I have pointed this out already. Just how thick are you really?

 

Honestly it really is like hitting my head against a brick wall but instead of it making me thicker you seem to be having the negative affects on the old brain cells.

 

You probably didn't, it'll be "you know who" making stuff up again.

 

Liverpools transfer policy is exactly like ours is now stated to be, when it comes to transfers they have always lived within their means.

 

£20Mill for Henderson is ridiculous (IMO) but if they can afford it, that's up to them.

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