Change @ St. James

[bobbyshinton 59]

Why? Because he highlighted that discussing arsenal isn't a tangent?

 

My point HF is that the reaction has been framed in terms of a 'destruction of 130 years of history' 'tearing pages out of the history books' and 'the nail in the coffin of traditional values in football'. When it will take just a few seconds to reverse this decision, those words are ridiculous when Arsenal, Man city and Sunderland have all upped sticks without anyone saying that.

 

Stevie, I really genuinely think you're a top lad and am full of respect for you so I wouldn't argue against you unless there was a point to be made. Am just saying these other moves were worse than this, not that renaming the stadium is anything other than a pisstake.

 

You're from Wallsend so I think you will understand this. I do not give a fuck what the Mackems, Gooners, York City did also I'm not that bothered what happened to the Grainger Town when compared to NUFC.

 

I'm totally against the re naming of the ground, changing of the strip, changing the name, relocating....Why? Cos I am.

 

By the way I like the cut of your gib nothing personal

[Asprilla 96]

Why on earth would he want to advertise someone other than SD?

 

He'll make more from the exposure than he will from any advertising fee.

[ChezGiven 0]

People disagreed with me all day yesterday pud and then this morning I get told the same point I was making was 'obvious' which just goes to show the value of repeating yourself. You'll have to do the same for me, mainly because am on my phone.

 

Don't worry about people disagreeing with you it brings balance to threads.

Also made the letter I wrote to the culture secretary last night well worded and to the point. I used many of the points people have made on here but focussed on disclosure of real not theoretical commercial benefits as critical in evaluating the erosion of heritage. I asked that Hunt or Penrose ensured that If SD remained the sponsor of the stadium that the financial benefits to the club and community be spelled out publicly so that an assessment of whether this erosion of local heritage was actually being compensated. I worded it better than that though. if I get a reply, will hoy it in here.

[Phil 6]

People disagreed with me all day yesterday pud and then this morning I get told the same point I was making was 'obvious' which just goes to show the value of repeating yourself. You'll have to do the same for me, mainly because am on my phone.

 

 

No doubt people will make the argument that hes not gaining anything by not paying but I honestly believe he is. Additional advertising raises the profile of SD and in turn the profits. As major shareholder he gains from those both in "paper wealth" and actual dividends. NUFC however is different' date=' the more profit it makes then the more the fans expect to see investing in the team etc and him taking money out will not be seen well.

 

So he gives away the advertising and the club end up 2,3,4 or more millions down however all that does is reduce the amount we can spend on players so hes not out of pocket at all. SD however reaps the benefits of world wide exposure, not only in the amount of ads in and around the ground but other things as mentioned on here by others. [/quote']

 

Basic premise is that he cant be seen to be taking money out of the club even if it does make a profit therefore he ensures we dont, ideally breaking even ie no profit and no losses he has to cover. In the meantime he takes the free advertising etc to boost the exposure of SD and reaps his rewards that way.

 

So he'll happily rename the ground, but not take money out!?

[Renton 21643]

I don't really get a chance to post much on here much nowadays but feel I have to reply to this. Nice site update btw, well done Ant.

 

I've read about 15 pages worth in the 40s to 50s regions, so I guess it's all been said before. The people who I most agree with are Peasepud and Stevie, and those who share their views. I'm totally gutted by this latest action from Ashley, it's worse than the Keegan incident for me. The thought that one fat cunt can take over the club and systematically destroy our heritage is sickening. It literally feels like he's raping the city. Now I know that people like Chez will say this is a hysterical over-reaction but I'd say back that I'm genuinely astonished that all true Newcastle fans don't share my opinion. And fwiw, what the fuck has Grainger town got to with anything?

 

Someone made a ridiculous hypothetical question about what you'd prefer - to win the Champions league or to get St James' Park back. I'd accept missing out on the Champions league and getting relegated in order to restore our name and get rid of Ashley once and for all. For me personally, this feels like the straw that has broken my back and I am seriously thinking of not renewing next year. I say this after every Ashley raping though, so I'll probably be a hypocrite on this score. But then again, why should I let this cunt stop supporting my club? Tough one.

 

The irony of all this is it comes at a time when the football itself is so enjoyable. In fact, since Ashley has taken over the football has been the best since the Robson hay days - even the relegation season at least provided some nail biting excitement. But I don't credit Ashley with any of this; he's been surprisingly lucky in managerial appointments imo. Plus, at the end of the day, we are still basically a mid table club and we'll never win anything under his stewardship.

 

Don't know if it's been suggested, but could one practical thing we do as fans be to start a small consortium to permanently rent the billboards outside the Gallowgate to read 'This is St James' Park' in massive letters? Surely that wouldn't cost too much. Not sure who owns them but if it's anything to do with the council surely they'd welcome this effort.

 

Anyway, if this is the future of football then count me out, I don't want to be part of it any more. Which is really sad when I think about it, but once it starts taking more than it gives you've got to ask yourself what's the point. Will the good times ever return?

Edited November 12, 2011 by Renton

[ChezGiven 0]

I thought 'I'd rather keep the name than win the champions league' was hysterical. The person who wrote that seems to have softened his stance too Rents.

[Park Life 71]

People disagreed with me all day yesterday pud and then this morning I get told the same point I was making was 'obvious' which just goes to show the value of repeating yourself. You'll have to do the same for me, mainly because am on my phone.

 

Don't worry about people disagreeing with you it brings balance to threads.

Also made the letter I wrote to the culture secretary last night well worded and to the point. I used many of the points people have made on here but focussed on disclosure of real not theoretical commercial benefits as critical in evaluating the erosion of heritage. I asked that Hunt or Penrose ensured that If SD remained the sponsor of the stadium that the financial benefits to the club and community be spelled out publicly so that an assessment of whether this erosion of local heritage was actually being compensated. I worded it better than that though. if I get a reply, will hoy it in here.

 

Good stuff bro. Look forward to the reply.

[Renton 21643]

I thought 'I'd rather keep the name than win the champions league' was hysterical. The person who wrote that seems to have softened his stance too Rents.

 

It was Stevie and a reference to Ashley's tenure in general wasn't it?

 

I'm not softening my stance like, winning things has never happened in my life time and has absolutely no bearing on why I love and support NUFC. If that's hysterical then so be it. I'm not going to argue with you rationally because 1) You'd beat me and 2) Football to me has nothing to do with rationality. It's an emotional outlet, one of the few that adult males are 'allowed'.

 

Btw, to all the southern cunt journalists who don't see what the big deal is, how would they feel if the name of Wembley was unilaterally changed to something that sounded utterly shit overnight?

[Toonpack 9479]

Btw, to all the southern cunt journalists who don't see what the big deal is, how would they feel if the name of Wembley was unilaterally changed to something that sounded utterly shit overnight?

 

Would it be OK if it was flattened and a new one built called something else ???

[Toonpack 9479]

People disagreed with me all day yesterday pud and then this morning I get told the same point I was making was 'obvious' which just goes to show the value of repeating yourself. You'll have to do the same for me, mainly because am on my phone.

 

 

No doubt people will make the argument that hes not gaining anything by not paying but I honestly believe he is. Additional advertising raises the profile of SD and in turn the profits. As major shareholder he gains from those both in "paper wealth" and actual dividends. NUFC however is different' date=' the more profit it makes then the more the fans expect to see investing in the team etc and him taking money out will not be seen well.

 

So he gives away the advertising and the club end up 2,3,4 or more millions down however all that does is reduce the amount we can spend on players so hes not out of pocket at all. SD however reaps the benefits of world wide exposure, not only in the amount of ads in and around the ground but other things as mentioned on here by others. [/quote']

 

Basic premise is that he cant be seen to be taking money out of the club even if it does make a profit therefore he ensures we dont, ideally breaking even ie no profit and no losses he has to cover. In the meantime he takes the free advertising etc to boost the exposure of SD and reaps his rewards that way.

 

All the while he's exposed personally to the tune of £150 Million-ish.

 

Be quicker to use SD as a vehicle to pay NUFC and recoup his personal exposure from profit taking/re-allocation. Win, win, sort of (for him).

[timnufc 0]

I don't really get a chance to post much on here much nowadays but feel I have to reply to this. Nice site update btw, well done Ant.

 

I've read about 15 pages worth in the 40s to 50s regions, so I guess it's all been said before. The people who I most agree with are Peasepud and Stevie, and those who share their views. I'm totally gutted by this latest action from Ashley, it's worse than the Keegan incident for me. The thought that one fat cunt can take over the club and systematically destroy our heritage is sickening. It literally feels like he's raping the city. Now I know that people like Chez will say this is a hysterical over-reaction but I'd say back that I'm genuinely astonished that all true Newcastle fans don't share my opinion. And fwiw, what the fuck has Grainger town got to with anything?

 

Someone made a ridiculous hypothetical question about what you'd prefer - to win the Champions league or to get St James' Park back. I'd accept missing out on the Champions league and getting relegated in order to restore our name and get rid of Ashley once and for all. For me personally, this feels like the straw that has broken my back and I am seriously thinking of not renewing next year. I say this after every Ashley raping though, so I'll probably be a hypocrite on this score. But then again, why should I let this cunt stop supporting my club? Tough one.

 

The irony of all this is it comes at a time when the football itself is so enjoyable. In fact, since Ashley has taken over the football has been the best since the Robson hay days - even the relegation season at least provided some nail biting excitement. But I don't credit Ashley with any of this; he's been surprisingly lucky in managerial appointments imo. Plus, at the end of the day, we are still basically a mid table club and we'll never win anything under his stewardship.

 

Don't know if it's been suggested, but could one practical thing we do as fans be to start a small consortium to permanently rent the billboards outside the Gallowgate to read 'This is St James' Park' in massive letters? Surely that wouldn't cost too much. Not sure who owns them but if it's anything to do with the council surely they'd welcome this effort.

 

Anyway, if this is the future of football then count me out, I don't want to be part of it any more. Which is really sad when I think about it, but once it starts taking more than it gives you've got to ask yourself what's the point. Will the good times ever return?

 

I agree. About renewing, I've always said that the best way to go about things with Ashley is to get tickets as a member, or general sale. Granted it may work out a tad more expensive if you go to every game, but you could miss the odd game or even buy cheaper tickets. If more people refused to buy ST's, we'd have so much more power, or be in a better position to give a reponse. Brilliant idea about the billboards, how would we find out? I'd totally be interested and back that.

[Renton 21643]

Btw, to all the southern cunt journalists who don't see what the big deal is, how would they feel if the name of Wembley was unilaterally changed to something that sounded utterly shit overnight?

 

Would it be OK if it was flattened and a new one built called something else ???

 

I couldn't give a shit what Wembley is called. Your question should be directed at said southern journalists.

[peasepud 59]

Btw, to all the southern cunt journalists who don't see what the big deal is, how would they feel if the name of Wembley was unilaterally changed to something that sounded utterly shit overnight?

 

Would it be OK if it was flattened and a new one built called something else ???

I personally wouldnt give a shit, frankly though I wouldnt care less if England (football team) was renamed the "big gay English bastards" and made to run out in Pink tops.

 

Im Newcastle, couldnt give a fuck about anyone else.

 

What I would say incenses me the most here is the implication that this is being done for the clubs benefit. The whole "Sir Mike has graciously allowed us to use Sports Direct to showcase the potential, you should thank him".

 

If he'd turned around and said "Im doing this, paying £5m per year to change the name now fuck off" then I'd still be against it but would have a modicum of respect and understanding.

[ChezGiven 0]

No Rents, it was just related to the name change. Everyone agreed you can move the stadium, rebuild it and rename it If the benefits are clear. I am guessing that ultimate reason for moving to the emirates was to increase their chances of winning the champions league. You're right though, it's an emotive subject so that's why you get these apparent contradictions. I'm a bit contradictory myself, am against it, disagree with how it's been presented in the press and if it was me in charge would probably do the same if someone did actually put £10m on the table.

[McFaul 35]

I thought 'I'd rather keep the name than win the champions league' was hysterical. The person who wrote that seems to have softened his stance too Rents.

...and for some reason you think this person was me. I've said this three times now, a point I've made consistently during our good run, if we ever win the Champions League I'd still hate Ashley. That is my point. The statement has nothing to do with anything else, I just hate him, I've hated him for four years he's done nothing to increase or decrease my hatred of him, and there's nothing he could possibly do (good or bad) that would alter my feelings for him.

[LeazesMag 0]

I don't really get a chance to post much on here much nowadays but feel I have to reply to this. Nice site update btw, well done Ant.

 

I've read about 15 pages worth in the 40s to 50s regions, so I guess it's all been said before. The people who I most agree with are Peasepud and Stevie, and those who share their views.

 

glad you said that, although I didn't expect you to mention me by name.....read the comments not the poster Renton lad.

[LeazesMag 0]

Btw, to all the southern cunt journalists who don't see what the big deal is, how would they feel if the name of Wembley was unilaterally changed to something that sounded utterly shit overnight?

 

Would it be OK if it was flattened and a new one built called something else ???

 

I couldn't give a shit what Wembley is called. Your question should be directed at said southern journalists.

 

Toonpack continues to defend Mike Ashley for all he's worth, even though he "made his mind up about him" on 1st september 2011.

 

Poor bloke is too late, he's realised at last he is "recouping" [4 years after being told this by myself] but STILL defends him. What did he think Ashley would do with the money from the sales of Carroll particularly I wonder ? I've asked him this, but true to form, he didn't reply, same as he hasn't replied to a particularly well made comment from sammyb [i think ].

 

Edit....just dropped in, away until Monday.

Edited November 12, 2011 by LeazesMag

[Toonpack 9479]

Btw, to all the southern cunt journalists who don't see what the big deal is, how would they feel if the name of Wembley was unilaterally changed to something that sounded utterly shit overnight?

 

Would it be OK if it was flattened and a new one built called something else ???

 

I couldn't give a shit what Wembley is called. Your question should be directed at said southern journalists.

 

Toonpack continues to defend Mike Ashley for all he's worth, even though he "made his mind up about him" on 1st september 2011.

 

Poor bloke is too late, he's realised at last he is "recouping" [4 years after being told this by myself] but STILL defends him. What did he think Ashley to do with the money from the sales of Carroll particularly I wonder ? I've asked him this, but true to form, he didn't reply, same as he hasn't replied to a particularly well made comment from sammyb [i think ].

 

Edit....just dropped in, away until Monday.

 

Sadly your lack of comprehension resurfaces. Recouping is significantly different to "pocketing".

 

My posts are not a defence either by the way. Please point out which one's are.

 

Second bold bit, please re-post or quote it and I'll respond, if appropriate, I must have missed it.

 

As for not answering, sadly I can't answer in pictures, maybe if I could, you would then understand what I am saying.

Edited November 12, 2011 by Toonpack

[LeazesMag 0]

next step = Sports Direct logo on the shirts folks [for nothing, or nothing put into the managers transfer kitty for it, despite Dekka's claims that "we need players/replacements" [delete as appropriate] which will be made at the time

 

step after that = an away strip of blue and red

 

step after that = your guess is as good as mine......

[LeazesMag 0]

Btw, to all the southern cunt journalists who don't see what the big deal is, how would they feel if the name of Wembley was unilaterally changed to something that sounded utterly shit overnight?

 

Would it be OK if it was flattened and a new one built called something else ???

 

I couldn't give a shit what Wembley is called. Your question should be directed at said southern journalists.

 

Toonpack continues to defend Mike Ashley for all he's worth, even though he "made his mind up about him" on 1st september 2011.

 

Poor bloke is too late, he's realised at last he is "recouping" [4 years after being told this by myself] but STILL defends him. What did he think Ashley to do with the money from the sales of Carroll particularly I wonder ? I've asked him this, but true to form, he didn't reply, same as he hasn't replied to a particularly well made comment from sammyb [i think ].

 

Edit....just dropped in, away until Monday.

 

Sadly your lack of comprehension resurfaces. Recouping is significantly different to "pocketing".

 

My posts are not a defence either by the way. Please point out which one's are.

 

Second bold bit, please re-post or quote it and I'll respond, if appropriate, I must have missed it.

 

As for not answering, sadly I can't answer in pictures, maybe if I could, you would then understand what I am saying.

 

sadly, your comprehension of a progressive club is non-existent, as it has always been.

 

I'll give you a clue ... you back your manager while you actually own it, rather than sell the "business" for a profit [would you not do differently] ?

 

Enough clues for the moment, or are you about to confirm the meaning of "clueless"

[Toonpack 9479]

Btw, to all the southern cunt journalists who don't see what the big deal is, how would they feel if the name of Wembley was unilaterally changed to something that sounded utterly shit overnight?

 

Would it be OK if it was flattened and a new one built called something else ???

 

I couldn't give a shit what Wembley is called. Your question should be directed at said southern journalists.

 

Toonpack continues to defend Mike Ashley for all he's worth, even though he "made his mind up about him" on 1st september 2011.

 

Poor bloke is too late, he's realised at last he is "recouping" [4 years after being told this by myself] but STILL defends him. What did he think Ashley to do with the money from the sales of Carroll particularly I wonder ? I've asked him this, but true to form, he didn't reply, same as he hasn't replied to a particularly well made comment from sammyb [i think ].

 

Edit....just dropped in, away until Monday.

 

Sadly your lack of comprehension resurfaces. Recouping is significantly different to "pocketing".

 

My posts are not a defence either by the way. Please point out which one's are.

 

Second bold bit, please re-post or quote it and I'll respond, if appropriate, I must have missed it.

 

As for not answering, sadly I can't answer in pictures, maybe if I could, you would then understand what I am saying.

 

sadly, your comprehension of a progressive club is non-existent, as it has always been.

 

I'll give you a clue ... you back your manager while you actually own it, rather than sell the "business" for a profit [would you not do differently] ?

 

Enough clues for the moment, or are you about to confirm the meaning of "clueless"

 

You can do that admirably, without any help from me

[Barney 0]

I'm still not sure why he doesn't just change the clubs name.

[ohhh_yeah 2968]

I'm still not sure why he doesn't just change the clubs name.

 

 

& have a red and blue turf pitch laid down.

[Lake Bells tits 1]

Well empirically I think we can safely say - as fans - playing nice wont help a thing. Team doing great, journos and fans slowly warming to Mike - everything is set for him to turn his image around - rather than try to make amends and fix broken friendships, Mike sees the success on the pitch as an opportunity to do something even more vile off it.

 

He`s the sort of lad who - when offered a finger - takes the whole hand off.

 

No protest is going to help, the only thing who will leave Mike fuming is huge amounts of Kitbag gear on display.

Edited November 12, 2011 by Saltwater

[Asprilla 96]

He`s the sort of lad who - when offered a finger - takes the whole hand off.

 

I HATE people like that.