Anti Terror bid thwarted again

[NJS 4375]

If 3 Newcastle fans caused trouble at an away game and they banned all NUFC fans from going to away games that wouldn't really be fair would it?

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Thats what annoyed me about that case at Charlton with Man U over the alleged sexual assault where banning was talked of. For "All muslims are terrorist" read "All football fans are rapists".

[LeazesMag 0]

At the end of the day, this is nothing other than yet another cave in to extemists and the pc brigade, who are too stupid to realise they are helping to protect them

 

You're a fucking idiot.

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you must be a fucking naive stupid clown

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So what do you want LM?

 

Should the mosque where the london bombers went be closed?

 

Should all pubs where fights break out be closed?

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are the amount of pubs per head of population increasing in proportion with the amount of mosques ?

 

and

 

Do YOU know of anyone who is sitting in a pub planning terrorist acts, or being shielded from investigation of such by the law ?

 

Apart from those 2 glaring differences [unless you just don't want to see or acknowledge them] I can't see any others ........

[NJS 4375]

If you closed the Mosques whats to stop terrorists meeting in pubs?

 

I have nothing but contempt for all organised religions but the only way foward is by reaching out to communities not alienating them. In this case that means by including mosques.

 

Would you be prepared for the civil disorder and probable escalation in terrorism that would aaccompany something as stupid as closing mosques?

 

Sadly I know your answer to that one.

[rikko 20]

If you close the mosques you are just alienating the muslims even more forcing the moderates to become extremists all it would do is force the terrorists deeper undercover. If they are hiding in mosques do you really think that the government doesnt know this? Do you not also think its better to keep them where you know they are as opposed to some hovel somewhere you have no idea about?

[LeazesMag 0]

If you closed the Mosques whats to stop terrorists meeting in pubs?

 

lets just let everybody do whatever they like, when they like, to whoever they like then. Easy.

 

I have nothing but contempt for all organised religions but the only way foward is by reaching out to communities not alienating them. In this case that means by including mosques.

 

only way of "reaching out" to terrorists is with a piece of rope, and tell everyone that anyone found protecting them will be kicked out of the country on the next flight home, and pass the legislation to make it happen, and tell the pc brigade, do gooders and any other intefering arseholes to get stuffed.

 

Would you be prepared for the civil disorder and probable escalation in terrorism that would aaccompany something as stupid as closing mosques?

 

prevention would have been prefereable, I think it is amazing that people like yourself are still unable to see that we are not dealing with decent normal, human beings here, they are fanatics hell bent on killing and disrupting our way of life. Full stop.

 

Sadly I know your answer to that one.

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sadly i see no solution is offered other than the current either. This was govt legislation here, and while no one pretends they get everything right, at least they have realised tighter controls are needed

Edited December 25, 2005 by LeazesMag

[LeazesMag 0]

If you close the mosques you are just alienating the muslims even more forcing the moderates to become extremists all it would do is force the terrorists deeper undercover. If they are hiding in mosques do you really think that the government doesnt know this? Do you not also think its better to keep them where you know they are as opposed to some hovel somewhere you have no idea about?

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of course they know.....thats the point, the pc brigade etc and their protestations are helping them to remain protected..when what is needed is simply to ignore the idiots, stop fannying around and just go in and get them

[spongebob toonpants 3956]

how leazes shouldnt you be out delivering presents and spreading goodwill to all men at this point

[The Fish 10779]

just a point... it's not a one way process.

 

It's not solely the responsibility of the anglo-saxon to reach out to the muslim/bhuddist man, surely the compromise lies somewhere in between?

 

Hows about the leaders of Muslim faith denounce and revile the acts of the minority? Hows about the leaders of the islamic church seperate themselves from the extremists who ruin the name of a religion whose doctrine is not so far removed from the Christian church?

 

I'm all for compromise and acceptance, but I'm yet to see any staggering leaps of judgement of faith on the part of our middle eastern brethren...

 

call me selfish, but I'd like a little give AND take

[spongebob toonpants 3956]

just a point... it's not a one way process.

 

It's not solely the responsibility of the anglo-saxon to reach out to the muslim/bhuddist man, surely the compromise lies somewhere in between?

 

Hows about the leaders of Muslim faith denounce and revile the acts of the minority? Hows about the leaders of the islamic church seperate themselves from the extremists who ruin the name of a religion whose doctrine is not so far removed from the Christian church?

 

I'm all for compromise and acceptance, but I'm yet to see any staggering leaps of judgement of faith on the part of our middle eastern brethren...

 

call me selfish, but I'd like a little give AND take

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papist tbh

[The Fish 10779]

atheist actually tbh

[LeazesMag 0]

just a point... it's not a one way process.

 

It's not solely the responsibility of the anglo-saxon to reach out to the muslim/bhuddist man, surely the compromise lies somewhere in between?

 

Hows about the leaders of Muslim faith denounce and revile the acts of the minority? Hows about the leaders of the islamic church seperate themselves from the extremists who ruin the name of a religion whose doctrine is not so far removed from the Christian church?

 

I'm all for compromise and acceptance, but I'm yet to see any staggering leaps of judgement of faith on the part of our middle eastern brethren...

 

call me selfish, but I'd like a little give AND take

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Amen to that

[NJS 4375]

Out of interst LM how would you have handled the IRA campaign?

 

You seem to think that all muslims at least sympathise with the bombers so I take it all irishmen were potential murderers.

 

Would you have closed pubs in Kilburn etc? Deported irishmen?

 

BTW I don't think British Muslim leaders couls have been more clear in their condemnation though I agree wit the thrust of GFs post generally.

 

Having said that I don't hear Bush "reaching out" either.

[The Fish 10779]

Bush is a religious radical tbh

 

what ever happend to the seperation of church and state? They make it part of the foundations of their government system, yet they swear on the Holy Bilby when taking office...

 

not much of a seperation to be frank.

[LeazesMag 0]

Out of interst LM how would you have handled the IRA campaign?

 

You seem to think that all muslims at least sympathise with the bombers so I take it all irishmen were potential murderers.

 

Would you have closed pubs in Kilburn etc?  Deported irishmen?

 

BTW I don't think British Muslim leaders couls have been more clear in their condemnation though I agree wit the thrust of GFs post generally.

 

Having said that I don't hear Bush "reaching out" either.

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please explain this slur.

 

I am no expert on the irish situation, however I have met people over the years who have gave me their insight on it, among them my father in law.

 

Complex situation, however the majority of the people in northern ireland have elected to remain british, and observe British rule of law. End of.

 

My opinion as to how correct the SAS were to shoot the shitbags in gib have already been stated, this is my view of all terrorists, also stated elsewhere, so I don't see where you think I am appearing to insinuate anything different and would appreciate it if you didn't. You can however oddly stick to searching for reasons to encompass and retain terrorists on the loose in this country if you wish, that is your prerogative of course, which is what you and others are doing, whether you realise it or not.

 

Which is an obvious conclusion to the absurd notion that "we can't do anything about it otherwise we are penalising the majority", which you still think is an answer. This is the whole nub of the matter. TOUGH. When these arseholes see we mean business, the cleaning and weeding out of the scum will begin and not until.

 

As for this "reaching out" rubbish, I'm not reaching out to anyone, what the hell are you on about

[peasepud 59]

As for this "reaching out" rubbish, I'm not reaching out to anyone, what the hell are you on about

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too much Christmas sherry mate , I think the reaching out reference was to Geordie Fish's post about how both sides should be renouncing these things as the start of stuff.

[NJS 4375]

So you confirm all people "associated" with any terrorists deserve to be lumped in with them and treat like shit.

 

Fair enough.

 

Over the history of the empire Britain has tried your approach to terrorism/freedom fighters in various places. It NEVER worked. All the conflicts finally came down to compromise/surrender/victory to a greater or lesser extent.

 

The reaching out was in response to you echoing GF's comments about a lack of postivity from moderate muslims. With people like you around I don't blame them for not bothering.

[LeazesMag 0]

So you confirm all  people "associated" with any terrorists deserve to be lumped in with them and treat like shit.

 

you think terrorists, and those knowingly protecting them, should be treated with kid gloves ?

 

No wonder they are bombing us, and continuing to plot to bomb us.

 

Over the history of the empire Britain has tried your approach to terrorism/freedom fighters in various places. It NEVER worked. All the conflicts finally came down to compromise/surrender/victory to a greater or lesser extent.

 

you are talking about liberating their own countries ?

 

no quite the same thing is it

 

The reaching out was in response to you echoing GF's comments about a lack of postivity from moderate muslims. With people like you around I don't blame them for not bothering.

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with people like you around they know there is no need

Edited December 25, 2005 by LeazesMag

[BastianSchweinsteiger 0]

So you confirm all  people "associated" with any terrorists deserve to be lumped in with them and treat like shit.

 

you think terrorists, and those knowingly protecting them, should be treated with kid gloves ?

 

No wonder they are bombing us, and continuing to plot to bomb us.

 

Over the history of the empire Britain has tried your approach to terrorism/freedom fighters in various places. It NEVER worked. All the conflicts finally came down to compromise/surrender/victory to a greater or lesser extent.

 

you are talking about liberating their own countries ?

 

no quite the same thing is it

 

The reaching out was in response to you echoing GF's comments about a lack of postivity from moderate muslims. With people like you around I don't blame them for not bothering.

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with people like you around they know there is no need

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Dick.

[LeazesMag 0]

what solutions have you read in your library book clever clogs ?

[NJS 4375]

It may not be about liberating countries (unless you count Palestine) but the principle remains - if you fight terror with terror you create martyrs and increase recruitment more effectively than any campaign they could ever imagine.

 

As I said its been tried and it's never worked.

 

Spookily enough just like capital punishment and long sentences don't reduce crime - who'd have thought eh?

[LeazesMag 0]

aye the softly softly treat them nicely approach in the last few decades is discouraging murderers, and foreign terrorists a treat isn't it ?

 

I mean only 20-30 years ago there were no middle eastern terrorists on the loose in britain, no religiously divided inner city societies, or mosques that thought they were above the law.

 

Obviously those methods you and others advocate have worked a treat, because they are the ones we have been using, not the ones i am talking about

[Rob W 0]

just the IRA

[LeazesMag 0]

Wondered when mr do gooder would come along....you don't answer questions don't you, because you "don't have the time for this sort of thing"

 

Anyway, we are talking about the growth of extremist middle eastern groups, who have no desire to observe british laws, as they stand , or integrate into the community, so what is your reason for the situation now that dwarfs that of 20-30 years ago ?

 

As even the IRA didn't expect or want to to live in Britain, it's a totally different situation, as explained to NJS, which you fully understand but are only choosing not to.

 

I expect you will go quiet again when you know you cannot answer further, as always.

[The Fish 10779]

trouble is NJS, there can be no negotiating with terrorists, it lends legitmacy and credence to their methods which will in turn provoke more and more causes to resort to horrific methods in order to get their extreme views accepted or considered by the main stream.

 

I'm not saying I want Camp Xrays all over the world, but I sure as shit am tired of radicals of what-ever faith denouncing my beliefs or moral code only to hide behind human rights when I challenge or denounce theirs.

 

banning pig iconography in the work place because it offends Muslims is just one example of the a different kind of fear that pops up randomly, the fear of being branded racist or bigoted. So terrified of that the ban was upheld and a woman had to remove tissues because they had Whinnie the Pooh on them.

 

for fucks sake.

 

NJS, Bush doesn't lead my country and I don't believe he truly represents American's foregin policy. Wait, that's a false statement, I think he shapes American Policy because in truth many Americans are apathetic towards other countries until CNN or MSNBC tell them otherwise.

 

I generally live in Leeds which is markedly more culturally divers than the place I grew up and if I'm honest the segregation and racism I see really shocks me. what shocked me most was the direction that it flowed, it's not the pikey white chavs hurling abuse at the kid wearing a turban, it's the other way round.

 

not that I mind people abusing chavs mind you...

 

it's all well and good sticking up for the under-dog, the minority does need to be heard, but I'm wondering at what point do my sensibilities come into question? Why is it wrong for a western woman to walk around displaying her ankles, yet it's immaterial that I find the way the islamic faith treats women, gays, and members of other faiths reprehensible?

 

so if this business bans pig pictures, when will the dress code be enforced?

 

it's a similarily un-important thing for the west, ankles , faces a etc. are not an issue for Judeao-christian practioners, but some muslims find such displays offensive. Are we to step aside once more and curtail such heathen acts as permitting women to wear what ever they fucking please?

 

I'm all for diversity and if there is one organised religion we should really permit them all, but I absolutely believe that their right to... whatever stops an inch away from me and my rights.

 

how do you negotiate with Osama Bin Laden NJS?

 

we've nothing he wants, we've nothing to threaten him with, we can't impose sanctions, we can't offer aid and support to a usurper, we can't give him free tv...

 

he wants us dead or to follow him.

 

even killing him won't necessarily end his threat... so how exactly does one fight the very genuine threat of global terrorism? by encouraging more liberal muslims? that would be all well and good if it weren't for the fact that the majority of imams(sp?), are as afraid of change and progress as Tomás de Torquemada

[Wor Al 0]

I mean only 20-30 years ago there were no middle eastern terrorists on the loose in britain

 

How many of the London bombers were from the middle east you daft bugger?!