Happy Face 29 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I've never come across anyone with such a desperate need to constantly prove he was "right" about something. Very very strange behaviour. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=916194 They'll be insufferable when Ashley has us back in te champions league. That random post generator still needs a bit of work. That one was nearly relevant. You're right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21364 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 After reading the french article this morning that the Gervinho deal is nearly wrapped up, it has me thinking about who we have next season. Tiote, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Gervinho. Could this be the start of a new time for NUFC? And also do you think that all this early movement will pursuade Enrique to sign? the entertainers? we haven't even signed those players yet, nor have we seen them play or do we have any idea how they'd fit into our side or which of our current crop is on the way out. i'm all up for a bit of fantasy football chat but this is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Stop derailing the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4473 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Happy face then mis-quotes me. At worst I selectively quoted you in one of four examples. You blatantly had a hard-on for Hughton. It's worse watching you squirm than it would be if you just embraced the fact you change your mind. Nothing whatsoever wrong with changing your mind. Would be interesting to understand the reasons why though. In the absence of any reasons I can only assume it's because you're contrary. See Im in a no win situ If I explain, Im desperate to prove myself right Anyone who doesnt change their mind seems odd to me. Its like thinking Allardyce and Ashley may be an improvement to the situation we were in in 2007 and then realising its not. Its like thinking relegation is the end of the world, then realising its not. Its like thinking we'll do a Leeds, then romping the league. Its like thinking we'll go straight back down and then surviving quite comfortably. My "problem" is I often see the the possible "bigger" picture on here so get called Contrary As others have pointed out I expressed Hughton should be given a go when others were adamant he shouldnt. I did caution about him being too nice possibly to succeed. After the good start to the promotion season, lots then agreed with me. However none of us at the time really new how much influence the senior players had put in and were putting in in the overall running of things. Again it became clear that he was merely a caretaker, a yes man and so his sacking in my eyes was not a great loss. As with the senior committee, I think they did great in the championship and our first year back, but that doesnt mean the club should be forced into handing out expensive long term contracts to 29 year olds. How Peasepud cant see the two views being acceptable is quite bizarre. Nolan has two years left on his contract. If the signings we are in for come off, he will struggle to be a first team regular next year, never mind in 3 or 4 years. Again with Ashley, I have said for a while that it looks to me as though he would get things right financially and then on the field. Contrary at the time, but given the calibre of the players we are in for, looking very accurate once again. What can I say, its a gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3163 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 As others have pointed out I expressed Hughton should be given a go when others were adamant he shouldnt. I did caution about him being too nice possibly to succeed. After the good start to the promotion season, lots then agreed with me. However none of us at the time really new how much influence the senior players had put in and were putting in in the overall running of things. Again it became clear that he was merely a caretaker, a yes man and so his sacking in my eyes was not a great loss. I know I really shouldn't bother but there has been speculation, more than once and from many, that in fact he wasn't a yes man and it was because he said NO that he was escorted from the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 As others have pointed out I expressed Hughton should be given a go when others were adamant he shouldnt. I did caution about him being too nice possibly to succeed. After the good start to the promotion season, lots then agreed with me. However none of us at the time really new how much influence the senior players had put in and were putting in in the overall running of things. Again it became clear that he was merely a caretaker, a yes man and so his sacking in my eyes was not a great loss. I know I really shouldn't bother but there has been speculation, more than once and from many, that in fact he wasn't a yes man and it was because he said NO that he was escorted from the building. The notion that Pardew is aything but a yes man is hilarious. You think he has any say whatsoever on who comes and who goes CT? Do you not think it's the intended structure? Managers come and go, the squad is a higher level vision, to avoid expensive restructuring with every new man...like Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I like how the media make Pardew out to be their man btw. As though Ashley didn't appoint Keegan or Hughton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14002 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 For instance Pardew was insistent that Carroll was not for sale but Mike & D-Dekk had other ideas - gone. Pardew was insistent that Barton was a key part of his plans - the board had other ideas. This list could grow very long if anyone cares enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3163 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Also can I point to our previous managers (Dogleash, Souness) who have made wholesale changes to the squad in an attempt to make it "their" team and remind those that need it, of the success they brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 See Im in a no win situ If I explain, Im desperate to prove myself right Anyone who doesnt change their mind seems odd to me. Its like thinking Allardyce and Ashley may be an improvement to the situation we were in in 2007 and then realising its not. Its like thinking relegation is the end of the world, then realising its not. Its like thinking we'll do a Leeds, then romping the league. Its like thinking we'll go straight back down and then surviving quite comfortably. We all want to be proven right about stuff, but we all admit when we were wrong. I was Mr contrary about Roeder on here, years before you arrived. I was probably wrong (We haven't had a better finish since he was here, but he contributed to the decline) so I don't rewrite history and say I never liked the bloke. Gemmil supported Souness longer than most (I think) he doesn't deny it. I've not once seen you say you were wrong about anything, you just move on to blind support for the next incumbent. Whoever's currently at the club is brilliant, whoever has left or been forced out was always no good, despite what you said about them before. That's the opposite of... My "problem" is I often see the the possible "bigger" picture on here so get called Contrary As others have pointed out I expressed Hughton should be given a go when others were adamant he shouldnt. I did caution about him being too nice possibly to succeed. After the good start to the promotion season, lots then agreed with me. However none of us at the time really new how much influence the senior players had put in and were putting in in the overall running of things. Again it became clear that he was merely a caretaker, a yes man and so his sacking in my eyes was not a great loss. As with the senior committee, I think they did great in the championship and our first year back, but that doesnt mean the club should be forced into handing out expensive long term contracts to 29 year olds. How Peasepud cant see the two views being acceptable is quite bizarre. Nolan has two years left on his contract. If the signings we are in for come off, he will struggle to be a first team regular next year, never mind in 3 or 4 years. Again with Ashley, I have said for a while that it looks to me as though he would get things right financially and then on the field. Contrary at the time, but given the calibre of the players we are in for, looking very accurate once again. What can I say, its a gift. How can you say the bold bit, while claiming you gave them all the credit in the world at the time, and that you have a gift for seeing it before anyone else? Being linked with players doesn't take anything. Last year it was Robbie Keane, Steve Sidwell, Ngog and Gyan. You're Toontastic's very own Joseph Goebbels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 See Im in a no win situ If I explain, Im desperate to prove myself right Anyone who doesnt change their mind seems odd to me. Its like thinking Allardyce and Ashley may be an improvement to the situation we were in in 2007 and then realising its not. Its like thinking relegation is the end of the world, then realising its not. Its like thinking we'll do a Leeds, then romping the league. Its like thinking we'll go straight back down and then surviving quite comfortably. We all want to be proven right about stuff, but we all admit when we were wrong. not everybody Gloomy has blocked me, he's now saying exactly what he gave me flak for saying.... Now he agrees with me, what's his problem Anyway, on 1st September, a few more excuses from a few people will be rolling in. Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 See Im in a no win situ If I explain, Im desperate to prove myself right Anyone who doesnt change their mind seems odd to me. Its like thinking Allardyce and Ashley may be an improvement to the situation we were in in 2007 and then realising its not. Its like thinking relegation is the end of the world, then realising its not. Its like thinking we'll do a Leeds, then romping the league. Its like thinking we'll go straight back down and then surviving quite comfortably. We all want to be proven right about stuff, but we all admit when we were wrong. not everybody Gloomy has blocked me, he's now saying exactly what he gave me flak for saying.... Now he agrees with me, what's his problem Anyway, on 1st September, a few more excuses from a few people will be rolling in. Whatever. Calls for a what were you wrong about thread, with a tally chart. You'd be on zero obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I like how the media make Pardew out to be their man btw. As though Ashley didn't appoint Keegan or Hughton. he's ex West Heeeem though. And Keegans a "quitter", unlike Martin O'Neill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I like how the media make Pardew out to be their man btw. As though Ashley didn't appoint Keegan or Hughton. he's ex West Heeeem though. And Keegans a "quitter", unlike Martin O'Neill Redknapp, O'Neill and Bruce are 'ambitious' due to only leaving jobs for dishonourable reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabit71 0 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 CT: "Barton was quite clearly one of the gang of four who "took control" of the team / dressing room etc following relegation. His lack of playing had no effect on his lack of "management" off the pitch, as commented on many times, Himself and the other three." CT: "I dont usually call people, get proved wrong and not have the good decency to apologise. Manners Tom, manners. Takes a big man and all that....." Alex: "The fact the senior players in question were Nicky Butt, Alan Smith, Kevin Nolan and Steve Harper seems to nullify that point of yours a little. " unless i've missed it, someone owes someone an apology for being wrong and arsey about it btw - my quote thing is broken, can't type in the box after i quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I like how the media make Pardew out to be their man btw. As though Ashley didn't appoint Keegan or Hughton. he's ex West Heeeem though. And Keegans a "quitter", unlike Martin O'Neill Redknapp, O'Neill and Bruce are 'ambitious' due to only leaving jobs for dishonourable reasons and are all "better" than Keegan, of course. All 3 of them will win the premiership next season then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14002 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Just like Harry Redknapp is a loveable cockney who is more experienced and emotionally intelligent than Keegan! Must have been those years at Seattle Sounders whilst Keegan was picking up his second Ballon d'Or... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Just like Harry Redknapp is a loveable cockney who is more experienced and emotionally intelligent than Keegan! Must have been those years at Seattle Sounders whilst Keegan was picking up his second Ballon d'Or... feck off, am a fecking footbal meneger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 After a pre-season thrashing at Leyton Orient, there was an almighty dressing‑room row. Fingers were pointed but, when the air cleared, a siege mentality emerged....Giving power to Kevin Nolan, Alan Smith, Steve Harper and Nicky Butt, a man who as a Tottenham full-back had mixed in Trotskyite circles watched that 'Politburo' ensure his coaching drills and game plans were strictly adhered to. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/20...-premier-league No mention of Barton there btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 You can just pm the apology btw, CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4473 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 As others have pointed out I expressed Hughton should be given a go when others were adamant he shouldnt. I did caution about him being too nice possibly to succeed. After the good start to the promotion season, lots then agreed with me. However none of us at the time really new how much influence the senior players had put in and were putting in in the overall running of things. Again it became clear that he was merely a caretaker, a yes man and so his sacking in my eyes was not a great loss. I know I really shouldn't bother but there has been speculation, more than once and from many, that in fact he wasn't a yes man and it was because he said NO that he was escorted from the building. The notion that Pardew is aything but a yes man is hilarious. You think he has any say whatsoever on who comes and who goes CT? Do you not think it's the intended structure? Managers come and go, the squad is a higher level vision, to avoid expensive restructuring with every new man...like Chelsea. Funny that Just so happens I suggested the same thing yesterday in this very thread, here http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=916265 :lol: Ahead of the curve again I guess Honestly a gift or a curse????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Chernobyl-esque meltdown in the offing here like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41395 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 He's fecking nappy happy man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4473 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 See Im in a no win situ If I explain, Im desperate to prove myself right Anyone who doesnt change their mind seems odd to me. Its like thinking Allardyce and Ashley may be an improvement to the situation we were in in 2007 and then realising its not. Its like thinking relegation is the end of the world, then realising its not. Its like thinking we'll do a Leeds, then romping the league. Its like thinking we'll go straight back down and then surviving quite comfortably. We all want to be proven right about stuff, but we all admit when we were wrong. See this is the General idiots approach on here which you have now fallen into in your desperation to try and win a point. Your question this morning was asking for a reason why I change my mind. I give you some clear examples of why Newcastle supporters, me included, may change our mind about things. Rather than accepting a very sensible answer, you now change tac again and now say its about admitting your wrong You then once again dress your own version of reality as my comments by suggesting I said I never liked Hughton. I didnt. (Links if you have them). Rather than iffs and buts...why dont you just say I was wrong about xy and z if it makes you feel better and back it up with actual facts rather than mis quotes and your own ramblings. The bottom line is I, like everyone else have been wrong about lots of things. I thought Hughton might work out, he didnt. I dont see what the big deal is to be honest other than a few too many wanting to be internet warriors rather than getting on with the here and now. All a tad sad really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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