Neil Taylor Transfer Saga & Other Adventures...

[ajax_andy 0]

You're aaful at this andy, get back to the photography section.

 

 

Haha its a bit dead in there these days, so thought i'd pop in here for a bit of crack

See you were expecting £6m for Yobo, but they'll not pay more than £2m. I can't think who would actually want to sign for such a skint club. I'd sack Fellaini personally if you could get what you paid, at least you'd have £15m to play with then, then maybe have a look round the CCC. Someone like Peter Whittingham or Snodgrass could do a good job for Everton, and maybe Bothroyd/Shane Long etc..

 

 

What has us wanting £6m for Yobo (which is the fee agreed in the loan agreement) got to do with anyone wanting to sign or not sign for us?

Fellaini may be sold, depends on if we can afford to offer him a big contract or not. Personally I'd sell him now and use the money to fund players coming in. Someone has to go if we want to sign anyone for an actual transfer fee. Rodwell had been expected to be the one to get the chop, but due to a poor season and Man U signing Jones I think its unlikely anyone will offer a decent enough wedge for us to be tempted to sell him now...Wow see its possible to have a nice conversation isn't it?

 

I dont have a problem with signing players from the lower leagues, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka (ok techincally a PL player, but relegated after just one season) have all been big sucesses. Beckford scored double figures despite being a donkey so even he was a fairly sucessful signing. Coleman won young player of the year and was bought for £60k from Sligo Rangers.

 

Moyes has an eye for a good prospect and a shrewd transfer, and unlike you I wouldn't turn my nose up at a player just because he doesn't have a fancy french name and no-one's ever heard of him before.

 

As Alex said Long is actually pretty highly rated, although for the money i'm not sure i'd want to take that much of a risk on him, but if Moyes thought he was good enough then that would do for me.

Because you don't have any money. Carlos Kickaball comes in "OK 50K I sign for Leeverpoo I mean Evatonnn, tell me who else we sign?" Regardless how many mercenaries there are players will want to know what the plans are, and you can't really invest till you sell. Obvious what my point was tbh.

 

Nice conversation, I find it hard to have a nice conversation with someone from a less club who has done nothing but patronise my club for two years. Was looking at the predictions thread the other day "Newcastle I'd be amazed if you came 17th" haha we were above you for 3/4's of the season as well.

 

 

You might need to be a bit clearer in future as to what your point is.

 

Yeah some players would want to know who you are signing, others would look at the excellet group of players already there, the stability in a club, and the regular high finishes, a manager who will develop them and not be sacked after just 6 months to be replaced by yet another nomark who may or may not play them.

 

There's a million reasons why a player would sign for a club, I dont think you can generalise and say no-one decent would want to sign for us because we dont have millions to throw at it.

 

Have I done nothing but patronise your club for 2 years? You have a long memory seeing as I hardly post in here, and only ever really post in the photography section, and even thats not that common an occurance. You must really hate Evertonians (or just me) to be storing up all this aggression?

 

Yeah you were above us for a long time, we finished comfortably above you in the end though and I took £40 off 2 of your lot after successfully predicting they had unrealistic expectations as per usual.

 

I'm pretty sure I stated that any team who's just been promoted should be happy with 17th as it means securing PL status and allows a club to build from there. I would say the same about every club thats just been promoted. yet some on here thought top 6 was possible , and no doubt will think next season it is.

 

You might take that personally, infact it seems you have. Doesnt bother me that much though tbh, I dont think there's anything wrong in stating a newly promoted team should be happy with 17th.

Firstly I don't hate you, why would I hate you. Patronise you arguably, but hate, I could never hate a happy clapper sky fanboy type mate, you are what you are.

 

See this is what lets you down, not one person on here said we'd come top 6, and this is where you lack personality it's as big a myth as we're all fat cunts with tattoo's on our bellies. Show me a post before the season started of someone saying we could come top 6, or apologise to this forum for being a "bad ted" as the dippers say.

 

 

As if I dont have better things to do with my time then search through hundreds of pages just to prove something to you?

 

Anyway a lot of you said you'd finish above us, we came 7th, so therefore that means you'd of had to come 6th... there you go that saved me some time.

 

I'm glad you dont hate me, or my club, or my fellow supporters... maybe we could all get along in a lovely footballing eutopia one day!

Why are you telling lies? Explain to this forum why you are telling lies. Not one person at the start of the season said we'd finish 6th. Not one person said we'd finish above Everton, explain what thought process compels you to tell lies about that, what do you have to gain from it?

 

It's went from we said we'd come 6th, to some random person who doesn't exist saying we'd come above you, therefore because you come 7th, half the forum claimed we'd come 6th. Are you mentally stable mate?

 

 

No i'm pretty sure I remember having this debate on here at the time... It went on for about as long as this one, possibly even longer!

 

Feel free to search all the posts and point me in the right direction for the thread in question... if I'm wrong i'll hold my hands up, I can't remember the exact thread and have no interest in searching for hours in order to just prove a point.

 

Btw you do realise this thread is 7 pages long, and about 5 of them are just me and you going round in circles. Dont get me wrong I can go all day, but i'm not sure its particularly productive to the thread in question and no one else seems to be interested in what either of us have to say. Especially as it just the same point be regurgatated in different ways (that you dont like Everton).

 

Feel free to carry this on via PM if you wish to, but maybe for other people's sanity we should stop derailing the thread.

[ajax_andy 0]

"Someone like Peter Whittingham or Snodgrass could do a good job for Everton, and maybe Bothroyd/Shane Long etc.."

 

Advising we sell Fellaini and that the above players could "do a good job for Everton", would suggest that you were having a dig at Championship players not being very good, but thats the level of Everton... i.e not very good

Its not just me who picked up on that, as Alex also defended Long in his post... maybe you weren't saying that, but as 2 of us picked up on it you can see why I thought that?

Where did I suggest that? Where did I suggest any level of Everton, I went on to say Sewpa Kev was the best marksman in the league for a short while, a player signed for 250k from Watford. Alex didn't really defend Long he thought he was decent but questioned whether he could do it in the Premiership.

 

 

Well as already pointed out there's been a few times where the point you're making isnt very clear.

 

Anyway please refer to my previous post about this thread.

[McFaul 35]

You're aaful at this andy, get back to the photography section.

 

 

Haha its a bit dead in there these days, so thought i'd pop in here for a bit of crack

See you were expecting £6m for Yobo, but they'll not pay more than £2m. I can't think who would actually want to sign for such a skint club. I'd sack Fellaini personally if you could get what you paid, at least you'd have £15m to play with then, then maybe have a look round the CCC. Someone like Peter Whittingham or Snodgrass could do a good job for Everton, and maybe Bothroyd/Shane Long etc..

 

 

What has us wanting £6m for Yobo (which is the fee agreed in the loan agreement) got to do with anyone wanting to sign or not sign for us?

Fellaini may be sold, depends on if we can afford to offer him a big contract or not. Personally I'd sell him now and use the money to fund players coming in. Someone has to go if we want to sign anyone for an actual transfer fee. Rodwell had been expected to be the one to get the chop, but due to a poor season and Man U signing Jones I think its unlikely anyone will offer a decent enough wedge for us to be tempted to sell him now...Wow see its possible to have a nice conversation isn't it?

 

I dont have a problem with signing players from the lower leagues, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka (ok techincally a PL player, but relegated after just one season) have all been big sucesses. Beckford scored double figures despite being a donkey so even he was a fairly sucessful signing. Coleman won young player of the year and was bought for £60k from Sligo Rangers.

 

Moyes has an eye for a good prospect and a shrewd transfer, and unlike you I wouldn't turn my nose up at a player just because he doesn't have a fancy french name and no-one's ever heard of him before.

 

As Alex said Long is actually pretty highly rated, although for the money i'm not sure i'd want to take that much of a risk on him, but if Moyes thought he was good enough then that would do for me.

Because you don't have any money. Carlos Kickaball comes in "OK 50K I sign for Leeverpoo I mean Evatonnn, tell me who else we sign?" Regardless how many mercenaries there are players will want to know what the plans are, and you can't really invest till you sell. Obvious what my point was tbh.

 

Nice conversation, I find it hard to have a nice conversation with someone from a less club who has done nothing but patronise my club for two years. Was looking at the predictions thread the other day "Newcastle I'd be amazed if you came 17th" haha we were above you for 3/4's of the season as well.

 

 

You might need to be a bit clearer in future as to what your point is.

 

Yeah some players would want to know who you are signing, others would look at the excellet group of players already there, the stability in a club, and the regular high finishes, a manager who will develop them and not be sacked after just 6 months to be replaced by yet another nomark who may or may not play them.

 

There's a million reasons why a player would sign for a club, I dont think you can generalise and say no-one decent would want to sign for us because we dont have millions to throw at it.

 

Have I done nothing but patronise your club for 2 years? You have a long memory seeing as I hardly post in here, and only ever really post in the photography section, and even thats not that common an occurance. You must really hate Evertonians (or just me) to be storing up all this aggression?

 

Yeah you were above us for a long time, we finished comfortably above you in the end though and I took £40 off 2 of your lot after successfully predicting they had unrealistic expectations as per usual.

 

I'm pretty sure I stated that any team who's just been promoted should be happy with 17th as it means securing PL status and allows a club to build from there. I would say the same about every club thats just been promoted. yet some on here thought top 6 was possible , and no doubt will think next season it is.

 

You might take that personally, infact it seems you have. Doesnt bother me that much though tbh, I dont think there's anything wrong in stating a newly promoted team should be happy with 17th.

Firstly I don't hate you, why would I hate you. Patronise you arguably, but hate, I could never hate a happy clapper sky fanboy type mate, you are what you are.

 

See this is what lets you down, not one person on here said we'd come top 6, and this is where you lack personality it's as big a myth as we're all fat cunts with tattoo's on our bellies. Show me a post before the season started of someone saying we could come top 6, or apologise to this forum for being a "bad ted" as the dippers say.

 

 

As if I dont have better things to do with my time then search through hundreds of pages just to prove something to you?

 

Anyway a lot of you said you'd finish above us, we came 7th, so therefore that means you'd of had to come 6th... there you go that saved me some time.

 

I'm glad you dont hate me, or my club, or my fellow supporters... maybe we could all get along in a lovely footballing eutopia one day!

Why are you telling lies? Explain to this forum why you are telling lies. Not one person at the start of the season said we'd finish 6th. Not one person said we'd finish above Everton, explain what thought process compels you to tell lies about that, what do you have to gain from it?

 

It's went from we said we'd come 6th, to some random person who doesn't exist saying we'd come above you, therefore because you come 7th, half the forum claimed we'd come 6th. Are you mentally stable mate?

 

 

No i'm pretty sure I remember having this debate on here at the time... It went on for about as long as this one, possibly even longer!

 

Feel free to search all the posts and point me in the right direction for the thread in question... if I'm wrong i'll hold my hands up, I can't remember the exact thread and have no interest in searching for hours in order to just prove a point.

 

Btw you do realise this thread is 7 pages long, and about 5 of them are just me and you going round in circles. Dont get me wrong I can go all day, but i'm not sure its particularly productive to the thread in question and no one else seems to be interested in what either of us have to say. Especially as it just the same point be regurgatated in different ways (that you dont like Everton).

 

Feel free to carry this on via PM if you wish to, but maybe for other people's sanity we should stop derailing the thread.

Why lie? Who said we'd come 6th? Why tell lies?

[McFaul 35]

"Someone like Peter Whittingham or Snodgrass could do a good job for Everton, and maybe Bothroyd/Shane Long etc.."

 

Advising we sell Fellaini and that the above players could "do a good job for Everton", would suggest that you were having a dig at Championship players not being very good, but thats the level of Everton... i.e not very good

Its not just me who picked up on that, as Alex also defended Long in his post... maybe you weren't saying that, but as 2 of us picked up on it you can see why I thought that?

Where did I suggest that? Where did I suggest any level of Everton, I went on to say Sewpa Kev was the best marksman in the league for a short while, a player signed for 250k from Watford. Alex didn't really defend Long he thought he was decent but questioned whether he could do it in the Premiership.

 

 

Well as already pointed out there's been a few times where the point you're making isnt very clear.

 

Anyway please refer to my previous post about this thread.

That may or may not be the case and you're the only one that's said that, but where did I suggest anything derogatory, why say things that aren't true? In fact based on what I have said explain your thought process that made you think it was a derogatory remark.

[ajax_andy 0]

"Someone like Peter Whittingham or Snodgrass could do a good job for Everton, and maybe Bothroyd/Shane Long etc.."

 

Advising we sell Fellaini and that the above players could "do a good job for Everton", would suggest that you were having a dig at Championship players not being very good, but thats the level of Everton... i.e not very good

Its not just me who picked up on that, as Alex also defended Long in his post... maybe you weren't saying that, but as 2 of us picked up on it you can see why I thought that?

Where did I suggest that? Where did I suggest any level of Everton, I went on to say Sewpa Kev was the best marksman in the league for a short while, a player signed for 250k from Watford. Alex didn't really defend Long he thought he was decent but questioned whether he could do it in the Premiership.

 

 

Well as already pointed out there's been a few times where the point you're making isnt very clear.

 

Anyway please refer to my previous post about this thread.

That may or may not be the case and you're the only one that's said that, but where did I suggest anything derogatory, why say things that aren't true? In fact based on what I have said explain your thought process that made you think it was a derogatory remark.

 

Already stated it seemed you were suggesting that they weren't on the same level as Fellaini, but they'd do for little old Everton as that's all we could attract.

 

If thats not the case then I am happy to apologise as I will have taken what you said out of context, but as stated some of your points are particularly clear.

[McFaul 35]

"Someone like Peter Whittingham or Snodgrass could do a good job for Everton, and maybe Bothroyd/Shane Long etc.."

 

Advising we sell Fellaini and that the above players could "do a good job for Everton", would suggest that you were having a dig at Championship players not being very good, but thats the level of Everton... i.e not very good

Its not just me who picked up on that, as Alex also defended Long in his post... maybe you weren't saying that, but as 2 of us picked up on it you can see why I thought that?

Where did I suggest that? Where did I suggest any level of Everton, I went on to say Sewpa Kev was the best marksman in the league for a short while, a player signed for 250k from Watford. Alex didn't really defend Long he thought he was decent but questioned whether he could do it in the Premiership.

 

 

Well as already pointed out there's been a few times where the point you're making isnt very clear.

 

Anyway please refer to my previous post about this thread.

That may or may not be the case and you're the only one that's said that, but where did I suggest anything derogatory, why say things that aren't true? In fact based on what I have said explain your thought process that made you think it was a derogatory remark.

 

Already stated it seemed you were suggesting that they weren't on the same level as Fellaini, but they'd do for little old Everton as that's all we could attract.

 

If thats not the case then I am happy to apologise as I will have taken what you said out of context, but as stated some of your points are particularly clear.

Everyone rates Fellaini, I think he's shite, I'm struggling to see where I suggested they weren't at the same level. Fellaini could probably command a £15m fee is what I said.

[ajax_andy 0]

Haha WHY BUT WHY?!!!!!! Calm down its only a commercial!

 

Not telling lies, pretty sure someone said top 6, might have been top 7 if not? Either way it was ridiculously high and beyond what the club could hope to achieve... ergo my points here and in the past about unrealistic expectations.

[Tom 14013]

To be fair Andy you said Everton could finish 2nd.

 

I'm not backing that up with anything by the way.

[ajax_andy 0]

To be fair Andy you said Everton could finish 2nd.

 

I'm not backing that up with anything by the way.

 

 

2nd? 1st by 30 points easy next season!

[ChezGiven 0]

No one on here was predicting anything above 12th. Only the most optimistic too and that was after a few games. I know this because i keep track of these things (in my head).

[ajax_andy 0]

No one on here was predicting anything above 12th. Only the most optimistic too and that was after a few games. I know this because i keep track of these things (in my head).

 

 

Looks like you were right... This is the thread I was thinking of... it's for next season, not this one... my apologies, and the talk was top 7 not 6!

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...;hl=predictions

Edited June 22, 2011 by ajax_andy

[McFaul 35]

No one on here was predicting anything above 12th. Only the most optimistic too and that was after a few games. I know this because i keep track of these things (in my head).

So can you try and fathom why he's said a number of people claimed we'd come 6th? I think a tired view is Newcastle fans are deluded, he ticks a lot of the boxes on the toon bingo box, and claiming we said we'd come 6th will win him browny points with any Everton fans viewing this thread. Every myth about NUFC going he tries to highlight, wages (it aint 2007 son), deluded fans (most would've settled for 17th), overexpectant (see above). Just a very poor poster indeed.

[McFaul 35]

No one on here was predicting anything above 12th. Only the most optimistic too and that was after a few games. I know this because i keep track of these things (in my head).

 

 

Looks like you were right... This is the thread I was thinking of... it's for next season, not this one... my apologies, and the talk was top 7 not 6!

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...;hl=predictions

That's for next fucking season you dope! You were insuating those were the views at the start of 10/11.

[ajax_andy 0]

No one on here was predicting anything above 12th. Only the most optimistic too and that was after a few games. I know this because i keep track of these things (in my head).

 

 

Looks like you were right... This is the thread I was thinking of... it's for next season, not this one... my apologies, and the talk was top 7 not 6!

 

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...;hl=predictions

That's for next fucking season you dope! You were insuating those were the views at the start of 10/11.

 

 

Hence the fact I posted the thread to point out that I was mistaken, and then apologised.

[Tom 14013]

That was for next season and people largely disagreed.

[McFaul 35]

EXHIBIT A - Your typical Everton fan. Desperate. Economical with the truth. Factual incorrect. Will do anything to put a positive spin on their lowly stature. Defeated easily.

[ajax_andy 0]

That was for next season and people largely disagreed.

 

 

I think the key point was that we (i.e. me and some of the posters) debated about teams needing to re-establish themselves in the division, with me stating you needed to, and others stating you didn't as you were already an established PL team who just had a holiday in the Championship. So that's where the confussion lies on my part, as I thought that was a thread before or just after the season had started, not a recent one about next season

[ajax_andy 0]

EXHIBIT A - Your typical Everton fan. Desperate. Economical with the truth. Factual incorrect. Will do anything to put a positive spin on their lowly stature. Defeated easily.

 

Yeah your points are pretty pointless... If i'd carried on arguing my point knowing I was wrong then maybe you'd have a point, but seeing as I posted an actual link that disproved what i was saying, then it shows what you've written to be incorrect.

 

However you still feel the need to generalise and stereotype Everton supporters, yet complain when someone does it to Toon fans? Hmmm seems a bit odd to me!

[ajax_andy 0]

You're aaful at this andy, get back to the photography section.

 

 

Haha its a bit dead in there these days, so thought i'd pop in here for a bit of crack

See you were expecting £6m for Yobo, but they'll not pay more than £2m. I can't think who would actually want to sign for such a skint club. I'd sack Fellaini personally if you could get what you paid, at least you'd have £15m to play with then, then maybe have a look round the CCC. Someone like Peter Whittingham or Snodgrass could do a good job for Everton, and maybe Bothroyd/Shane Long etc..

 

 

What has us wanting £6m for Yobo (which is the fee agreed in the loan agreement) got to do with anyone wanting to sign or not sign for us?

Fellaini may be sold, depends on if we can afford to offer him a big contract or not. Personally I'd sell him now and use the money to fund players coming in. Someone has to go if we want to sign anyone for an actual transfer fee. Rodwell had been expected to be the one to get the chop, but due to a poor season and Man U signing Jones I think its unlikely anyone will offer a decent enough wedge for us to be tempted to sell him now...Wow see its possible to have a nice conversation isn't it?

 

I dont have a problem with signing players from the lower leagues, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka (ok techincally a PL player, but relegated after just one season) have all been big sucesses. Beckford scored double figures despite being a donkey so even he was a fairly sucessful signing. Coleman won young player of the year and was bought for £60k from Sligo Rangers.

 

Moyes has an eye for a good prospect and a shrewd transfer, and unlike you I wouldn't turn my nose up at a player just because he doesn't have a fancy french name and no-one's ever heard of him before.

 

As Alex said Long is actually pretty highly rated, although for the money i'm not sure i'd want to take that much of a risk on him, but if Moyes thought he was good enough then that would do for me.

Because you don't have any money. Carlos Kickaball comes in "OK 50K I sign for Leeverpoo I mean Evatonnn, tell me who else we sign?" Regardless how many mercenaries there are players will want to know what the plans are, and you can't really invest till you sell. Obvious what my point was tbh.

 

Nice conversation, I find it hard to have a nice conversation with someone from a less club who has done nothing but patronise my club for two years. Was looking at the predictions thread the other day "Newcastle I'd be amazed if you came 17th" haha we were above you for 3/4's of the season as well.

 

 

Care to point me in the direction of this thread by the way, or were you lying... if so why? Why did you lie? Oh no I can't take it, please tell me why!!!!!

[McFaul 35]

I think we're less bad than....

 

Blackburn

Blackpool

West Brom

Bolton

Stoke

West Ham

Wigan

Wolverhampton

 

So I'm going for 12th too.

 

Blackburn - Wrong

Bolton - Wrong

Stoke - Wrong

West Ham - Debatable

Wigan - Debatable

Wolverhampton - Wrong

pmsl

[McFaul 35]

10th. Very optimistic. But with a good sense of togetherness from what the players are saying, along with a few decent signings and CH's tactics (expecting him to play 4-5-1 against stronger teams, more attacking at fortress SJP). Best feeling about the changing room atmosphere we've had since Sir Bobby days?

 

 

Its massively unlikely any team who's just won promotion would finish in the top half of the league... even if they spent shit loads of money:

 

Last Season's top 15:

 

Chelsea

Man U

Arsenal

Spurs

Man City

Villa

Liverpool

Everton

Brum

Blackburn

Stoke

Fulham

Sunderland

Bolton

Wolves

 

I fail to see how the Toon will finish higher than any of those teams this year.

 

16th-17th would represent a good season and something to build on for next year, whilst also giving the likes of Carroll another season of development and experience of playing at the top level.

pmsl

[AgentAxeman 189]

so, have we signed Naylor or what?

[McFaul 35]

10th. Very optimistic. But with a good sense of togetherness from what the players are saying, along with a few decent signings and CH's tactics (expecting him to play 4-5-1 against stronger teams, more attacking at fortress SJP). Best feeling about the changing room atmosphere we've had since Sir Bobby days?

 

 

Its massively unlikely any team who's just won promotion would finish in the top half of the league... even if they spent shit loads of money:

 

Last Season's top 15:

 

Chelsea

Man U

Arsenal

Spurs

Man City

Villa

Liverpool

Everton

Brum

Blackburn

Stoke

Fulham

Sunderland

Bolton

Wolves

 

I fail to see how the Toon will finish higher than any of those teams this year.

 

16th-17th would represent a good season and something to build on for next year, whilst also giving the likes of Carroll another season of development and experience of playing at the top level.

 

Not that I think we will finish any higher than 15th, haven't you just contradicted yourself with Birmingham finishing in the top half the season after promotion?

 

I hate it when people shoot down my arguments

 

Ok its possible if you spend a reasonable amount of money and bring in some shrewd signings:

 

Hart - Loan

Roger Johnson - £5m

Benitez - Loan

Ferguson - £1.25m

Gardner - £3m

Michel - £3m

 

Still thats £12.25 million and Joe Hart on Loan (who I think played a massive part in their sucess)

 

So yes its possible, if somewhat unlikely

It aint FM 2011 son.

[Tom 14013]

so, have we signed Naylor or what?

 

All but done - the Swansea chairman is on holiday apparently.

[ajax_andy 0]

All of the above are completely different to:

 

"Newcastle I'd be amazed if you came 17th"

 

But dont worry about taking anything out of context if it suits your own argument.

 

You seem to have pissed yourself for about 3 seperate posts there... i'd see someone about that if I was you, or go to boots and buy some Tenna Men... yes apparently they do make them for men these days... bit embarrasing buying them i'm sure, but you seem to piss yourself very easily which must be more embarrasing surely?