trophyshy 7084 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. I'm not stopping them, but I'd take them more seriously if their English was GCSE grade C or above. Im more interested in what they say, not how they say it or spell it. The two things are intrinsically linked. Have you seen the King's Speech, heard Obama or Winston orate? There's a reason it's not all swearing, mumbling and bbbrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaap. Edited May 30, 2011 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. Twaddle like that makes you as popular as you are. Tony Blair Mk. II tbh I love you to But its still true. Like Stevie I remember being devatated when the mackems beat us in the play offs. Tearful when KK's helicopter left the pitch and fucking distraught when Beardsley (the greatest toon player I have seen) was sold to Liverpool. This after years and years and years of shite football. Times now are fucking brilliant compared to some of them. edit Ossies fucking army ffs (our lass thought we had a lot of mascots that day) Away and shite. You wouldn't know who we were playing when Keegan took his helicopter ride without Google. And still dont, but I will happily swear on my kids life that I was perched on the wall under the scoreboard watching him take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. I'm not stopping them, but I'd take them more seriously if their English was GCSE grade C or above. Im more interested in what they say, not how they say it or spell it. The two things are intrinsically linked. Have you seen the King's Speech, heard Obama or Winston orate? There's a reason it's not all swearing, mumbling and bbbrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaap. Never took you for a snob. In my world people are salt of the earth based on how they act, not on how they spell or express themselves. Shame on you. As bad as a racist / feminist/ any other ist tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Never took you for a snob. In my world people are salt of the earth based on how they act, not on how they spell or express themselves. Shame on you. As bad as a racist / feminist/ any other ist tbf He is, at worst, a humourist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Never took you for a snob. In my world people are salt of the earth based on how they act, not on how they spell or express themselves. Shame on you. As bad as a racist / feminist/ any other ist tbf He is, at worst, a humourist. You've had enough humiliation for one night, run along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Never took you for a snob. In my world people are salt of the earth based on how they act, not on how they spell or express themselves. Shame on you. As bad as a racist / feminist/ any other ist tbf He is, at worst, a humourist. You've had enough humiliation for one night, run along. No matter how much of a dick I make myself look, I console myself by knowing I shall never be you. Your dickery is unsurpassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Shame on you. As bad as a racist / feminist/ any other ist tbf Those feminists, an evil that should be stamped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Shame on you. As bad as a racist / feminist/ any other ist tbf Those feminists, an evil that should be stamped out. Missed that. Kudos CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Shame on you. As bad as a racist / feminist/ any other ist tbf Those feminists, an evil that should be stamped out. Missed that. Kudos CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Shame on you. As bad as a racist / feminist/ any other ist tbf Those feminists, an evil that should be stamped out. Missed that. Kudos CT. How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? Doesn't matter, feminists won't change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySol 7 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Missed that. Kudos CT. How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? Doesn't matter, feminists won't change anything. so bad it's funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) I can find links proving a lot of things, they are time dependent, inconsistent and prove very little. What I will say is that anyone saying anything positive gets shouted down on this board, thats a fact that no amount of links will disprove to me. I've not even bothered to click on them, as a keen reader of this forum I'll form my own broad characterisations for myself. People were hoping for the play off, thats a long way from utterly pissing the league. As for predictions for the season just gone, again depends when you asked people. The point about January is that the rhetoric which is dominating again is that it was a negative window. Didn't pan out that way though, did it? Cabaye has signed too, waiting for that to be confirmed is like waiting for the Olympics to start before believing they will be in London. I know what I read on here and I know generally what people's attitudes are, your disingenuous claims that we're all really positive after all because one or two posts in thousands say so won't persuade me I've got to visit the opticians. I was wrong about Carroll but then again, Ashely was right to sell him (so far anyway, given the focus on proof) I don't see how having ambitions and saying where our standing should be is negative ? Ashley was wrong to sell Carroll above his managers head and not back him with the money [at least], and I stand by my view that the long term is one of limited ambition on the pitch and therefore decline. I was making a point about the burden of proof. Puppy Face said people are not saying "I'll be proven right", they're saying "There's no reason to expect anything different" and i am saying that bollocks because we keep doing a lot better than people predict. I dont know why he insists on turning that into me claiming that everybody said we would be relegated. The other 5% are predicting much greater things, with no apparent supporting evidence. What? Like the evidence of the past 2 seasons? Having a side with Tiote, Ben Arfa and Cabaye in it? Is that not greater than Nicky Butt, Geremi and Guthrie? I'd say they were better things. The burden of proof will be on those misguided few come September And that annoyed me, as the likelihood of adding 5 or 6 top class players (what we need) and not letting anyone go (possibly beyond anyone's control) is remote. Thats an acceptance of change and a hope that we will be better off than last season. As for Ashley doing it above Pardew's head, spot on and you're support of Pardew, given he has to work like that is admirable. This board is an inferior board to the last one, without a doubt. I will say two things to that though. One is that the Carroll sale paid off as we survived and i think it will strengthen us, just not by as much as it could do. Secondly, you say decline, i say new level. We are competing at a lower level now in the premiership than we were before, thats got nothing to do with my ambition for the club, its got everything to do with money. Having said all that i am still afraid of a bad summer and 2nd season syndrome kicking us in the nuts, its just i cant see the need to do that financially this summer, whereas in previous seasons, the accounts show large losses and hence the sales of key players in the relegation season. Milner and N'Zogbia should have started every game in that midfield, not the shithouses mentioned above. Ben Arfa, Tiote and Cabaye tells me he might have learnt a thing or two since then. Edited May 30, 2011 by ChezGiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 The main reason i'm dubious he's going to be brilliant is, Lille just won the league, into the champions league, if he's so key and such a great player they'd have offered him something to make sure he stayed, the only other draw that takes a player who is that good/that high standard of quality (say like his teammate Eden Hazard) away from that scenario is#1 Money (sure as fuck isn't the case with us) #2 Success... again not us #3 Bigger Club (We're not chelsea or arsenal or man utd, we're a big club, we're not a take lower wages and give up a champions league spot to join big like they are) He had a get out clause in his contract, which is why we got him so cheap by all acounts. He wouldn't get into those other teams at the moment (much like Barton), but he wants to play in a better league and I reckon we'll have improved his current salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hang on, that's not right. Most people predicted we'd struggle in the championship and slated posters like accadacca and called him a spacker for predicting we'd waltz it. Then when we were promoted they did the same when people said we would do ok. Last summer was a great window and the christmas window has not panned out how everyone predicted it would. Carroll added fuck all to Liverpool this season and therefore by definition we lost little. That may change next season but it hasn't happened yet so when you talk about the burden of proof it falls just as heavily on the depressive fuckers on here. For the record we've spent £5m and sold no one so far this summer, yes? Most people didn't think we'd struggle at all...this thread for example, where the consensus seems to be playoff places.... http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...hl=championship and my thoughts on the matter were.... I expect to win the first 11 games at least. Hopefully 12. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=630298 We didn't, but I thought we'd do just fine. And again this year, I predicted the exact spot we'd finish. Thought we'd do OK, not great, and we did. It was always based more upon which teams were worse than us than any sort of ambition though. No deals have been finalised yet, but as I stated before, happy as I'll be to see the mooted players coming in, we have a clear plan to buy early in the window to sell season tickets and sell players closer to the window closing...like we always do. Can't imagine why anyone would think any different given the rumblings of discontent and the history...especially someone who was so sure Carroll would stay in January. See I remember this thread where a good few including the great Alex, laughed at Accadacca. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...093&hl=piss (Apologies if its the same thread, havent checked.) Very few people saying we'll struggle in that thread. What people like you and Chez need to remember is that there's a whole host of possibilities between disagreeing that we'd piss the league and thinking we were relegation bait. Fuck off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) we keep doing a lot better than people predict. I dont know why he insists on turning that into me claiming that everybody said we would be relegated. We've done no better than I've predicted. You said "Most people predicted we'd struggle". I'm not putting words in your mouth. Having a side with Tiote, Ben Arfa and Cabaye in it? Is that not greater than Nicky Butt, Geremi and Guthrie? I'd say they were better things. Selective choices there. Aren't Milner, Carroll and Given better than Best, Guthrie, Kuqi and Krul? I'd say those were better things. The burden of proof will be on those misguided few come September And that annoyed me, as the likelihood of adding 5 or 6 top class players (what we need) and not letting anyone go (possibly beyond anyone's control) is remote. Thats an acceptance of change and a hope that we will be better off than last season. I'm sory it's annoyed you, but that's the way it is. Ashley's tenureship has been an unmitigated diaster and he's going to have to do more than get us promoted and aiming for survival to convince anyone otherwise. Of course the burden of proof is on him and anyone approving of his every decision. Edited May 30, 2011 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 878 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 The 'pozzy's' and the 'negs'! ;) What a complete and utter lunatic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Acca was spot on. People giving CT shit should read the 'I was right' thread too, headed up by Leazes and Stevie, probably our 2 most knowledgeable posters but CT got a few things right too. Enough at least to not dismiss absolutely everything he says. I'm such a party pooper, I know. Don't think i've read that thread or what he got right but i'll assume it was something generalised like not being relegated or pissing the championship, things like that. The problem with CT's football related posts is he doesn't know anything about anyone or any club outside of ours, he says this himself, but he'll sit and comment on things that heavily involve other clubs/other players and the like, and rant on and on like he actually does. So it's as pointless as debating a coin toss, take the transfer threads where he's praising Carr for signings and scouting players he's never heard of let alone seen to pass comment on. Cabaye being a prime example, i've no idea if it'll be a good signing, i've seen very little of him, what i did see he was /ok/, he's 26 at the end of the year but until this year was yet to make any meaningful contribution to any team to have made a name for himself. But for CT it's like we've signed Neymar and the board are giving us all our dreams come true. The main reason i'm dubious he's going to be brilliant is, Lille just won the league, into the champions league, if he's so key and such a great player they'd have offered him something to make sure he stayed, the only other draw that takes a player who is that good/that high standard of quality (say like his teammate Eden Hazard) away from that scenario is #1 Money (sure as fuck isn't the case with us) #2 Success... again not us #3 Bigger Club (We're not chelsea or arsenal or man utd, we're a big club, we're not a take lower wages and give up a champions league spot to join big like they are) We're not the kind of club in a situation who can pick off a squads better players when they've performed unexpectedly. For £4m, his club not really trying to hold onto him, and no others chasing him, i think it's safe to say he'll be alright nothing brilliant but not awful, basically he's probably going to be a french Barton in level of quality. Happy with it but i'm not going jump around like we've won the lotto, and i sure as fuck won't make a thread on here promoting the successful turnaround of FCB and dekka I know loads of 'experts' with shit judgement. People are dicks when they are right about things, just look at Leazes. If Cabaye turns out to be very good, then credit should be given, which in turn will mean CT and his shit one-eyed patter about FCB and Dekka would have been right again. Doesnt mean he knows more about football than you or anything and i'm not defending his OP or him, just pointing out the facts. I've got no idea about Cabaye tbh but that Lille side was canny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 The 'pozzy's' and the 'negs'! ;) What a complete and utter lunatic! Seriously are you a Newcastle fan? Everything thats gone on in the last week and in one full week you manage two posts, both about me. The one above and....... "I'm honestly dying here! What a mentalist! CT man, get help". Both in this thread ffs Get a life man and join in the discussions, the comings the goings, Barton etc etc Rather than stalking, start a few threads yourself, chip in, keep the place going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Acca was spot on. People giving CT shit should read the 'I was right' thread too, headed up by Leazes and Stevie, probably our 2 most knowledgeable posters but CT got a few things right too. Enough at least to not dismiss absolutely everything he says. I'm such a party pooper, I know. Don't think i've read that thread or what he got right but i'll assume it was something generalised like not being relegated or pissing the championship, things like that. The problem with CT's football related posts is he doesn't know anything about anyone or any club outside of ours, he says this himself, but he'll sit and comment on things that heavily involve other clubs/other players and the like, and rant on and on like he actually does. So it's as pointless as debating a coin toss, take the transfer threads where he's praising Carr for signings and scouting players he's never heard of let alone seen to pass comment on. Cabaye being a prime example, i've no idea if it'll be a good signing, i've seen very little of him, what i did see he was /ok/, he's 26 at the end of the year but until this year was yet to make any meaningful contribution to any team to have made a name for himself. But for CT it's like we've signed Neymar and the board are giving us all our dreams come true. The main reason i'm dubious he's going to be brilliant is, Lille just won the league, into the champions league, if he's so key and such a great player they'd have offered him something to make sure he stayed, the only other draw that takes a player who is that good/that high standard of quality (say like his teammate Eden Hazard) away from that scenario is #1 Money (sure as fuck isn't the case with us) #2 Success... again not us #3 Bigger Club (We're not chelsea or arsenal or man utd, we're a big club, we're not a take lower wages and give up a champions league spot to join big like they are) We're not the kind of club in a situation who can pick off a squads better players when they've performed unexpectedly. For £4m, his club not really trying to hold onto him, and no others chasing him, i think it's safe to say he'll be alright nothing brilliant but not awful, basically he's probably going to be a french Barton in level of quality. Happy with it but i'm not going jump around like we've won the lotto, and i sure as fuck won't make a thread on here promoting the successful turnaround of FCB and dekka I know loads of 'experts' with shit judgement. People are dicks when they are right about things, just look at Leazes. If Cabaye turns out to be very good, then credit should be given, which in turn will mean CT and his shit one-eyed patter about FCB and Dekka would have been right again. Doesnt mean he knows more about football than you or anything and i'm not defending his OP or him, just pointing out the facts. I've got no idea about Cabaye tbh but that Lille side was canny. Its helped pass the weekend. I think Ive been very upfront about knowing nothing about Cabaye, in the same way that I know nowt about Messi other than I heard the name "somewhere". However I am very capable of doing a little research and discovering that Cabaye is supposedly an excellent box to box player who is loved by Lille fans and players and was hugged by each player as he was given a standing ovation as he left the pitch. I also discovered (dickweed -- Ant) that your statement "until this year was yet to make any meaningful contribution to any team to have made a name for himself" like most of what you say is know nowt shite. Had you bothered, like I, to do a little research, you would have seen that his best year was actually the season before this when he scored 15 from midfield. I am quite sure that you are either one of these sad little loners with an electric dish and spend all your time drinking cheap cider and watching football without retaining any information or you are simply one of the many football manager spastics who think your occasional win over a computer makes you the next Alex Feguson. Tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 we keep doing a lot better than people predict. I dont know why he insists on turning that into me claiming that everybody said we would be relegated. We've done no better than I've predicted. Having a side with Tiote, Ben Arfa and Cabaye in it? Is that not greater than Nicky Butt, Geremi and Guthrie? I'd say they were better things. Selective choices there. Aren't Milner, Carroll and Given better than Best, Guthrie, Kuqi and Krul? I'd say those were better things. The burden of proof will be on those misguided few come September And that annoyed me, as the likelihood of adding 5 or 6 top class players (what we need) and not letting anyone go (possibly beyond anyone's control) is remote. Thats an acceptance of change and a hope that we will be better off than last season. I'm sory it's annoyed you, but that's the way it is. Ashley's tenureship has been an unmitigated diaster and he's going to have to do more than get us promoted and aiming for survival to convince anyone otherwise. Of course the burden of proof is on him and anyone approving of his every decision. So since relegation, how could it have gone better and is that realistic? We could not have done better than top in the championship and we were 1 minute away from 9th in our first season back having gone through a financial hurricane of shit (caused by Ashley but we're talking since then). You predicted top and 12th and this is an unmitigated disaster? I guess you wanted top and then top 6 this year? Hmm. You predicted great things by any objective standards, those things have occurred and you're still furious with the board? Selective choices? Go an read our starting midfield for every match of the relegation season and see how many times those 3 play, i addressed Milner and N'zogbia in the post too. The point is about starting players in the midfield getting better, those are 2 sets of (hopefully) regularly starting players from the past and the present and you're arguing they're not better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 The number of times I've read "box to box" from people who've got it off Wikipedia. Haven't several people with a bit more knowledge already said that's bollocks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 The number of times I've read "box to box" from people who've got it off Wikipedia. Haven't several people with a bit more knowledge already said that's bollocks? Linky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22185 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hand on heart, has anyone ever really seen this kid play a full 90 mins in a live game? I know i haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hand on heart, has anyone ever really seen this kid play a full 90 mins in a live game? I know i haven't. Graham Carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22185 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hand on heart, has anyone ever really seen this kid play a full 90 mins in a live game? I know i haven't. Graham Carr I'll rephrase that. Has anyone that posts on here seen him play a full game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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