The Fish 10972 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Acca was spot on. People giving CT shit should read the 'I was right' thread too, headed up by Leazes and Stevie, probably our 2 most knowledgeable posters but CT got a few things right too. Enough at least to not dismiss absolutely everything he says. I'm such a party pooper, I know. Maybe it's because Leazes and Stevie's posts seem... considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hang on, that's not right. Most people predicted we'd struggle in the championship and slated posters like accadacca and called him a spacker for predicting we'd waltz it. Then when we were promoted they did the same when people said we would do ok. Last summer was a great window and the christmas window has not panned out how everyone predicted it would. Carroll added fuck all to Liverpool this season and therefore by definition we lost little. That may change next season but it hasn't happened yet so when you talk about the burden of proof it falls just as heavily on the depressive fuckers on here. For the record we've spent £5m and sold no one so far this summer, yes? Most people didn't think we'd struggle at all...this thread for example, where the consensus seems to be playoff places.... http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...hl=championship and my thoughts on the matter were.... I expect to win the first 11 games at least. Hopefully 12. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=630298 We didn't, but I thought we'd do just fine. And again this year, I predicted the exact spot we'd finish. Thought we'd do OK, not great, and we did. It was always based more upon which teams were worse than us than any sort of ambition though. No deals have been finalised yet, but as I stated before, happy as I'll be to see the mooted players coming in, we have a clear plan to buy early in the window to sell season tickets and sell players closer to the window closing...like we always do. Can't imagine why anyone would think any different given the rumblings of discontent and the history...especially someone who was so sure Carroll would stay in January. See I remember this thread where a good few including the great Alex, laughed at Accadacca. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...093&hl=piss (Apologies if its the same thread, havent checked.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Glad to see someone talkin sense....not siding with one nor another but a balanced opinion. Put it better than i could of. Listen i do actually think the alot of what FMA is doing is good for the club. I do also think many things he has done have been unmitigated disasters. However if we have a good summer and he shows his intent and its proven to be good, im happy for us to continue with him. UNTIL........An oil soaked stinking rich arab billionaire comes in a makes us his play toy. Absolutely spot on TN, but you shouldnt be saying these sort of things out loud in front of the clique. Its like that film invasion of the body snatchers, as soon as they spot something positive they all freeze and scream. (Probably before your time but the older ones will get the drift). Haha i have seen it actually! How old do you think i am? 16? ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 I think I've said before I find CT's irrational optimism quite enjoyable at times as generally I like to live in irrational hope sometimes as well but I think going this far leaves him open to some piss-taking. I think HF's posts about good players coming in being "pointless" if it comes with the price of the most positive aspect of the last two years (the team spirit) have been overlooked and that sums up my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 So how do you account for all our current early activity that is not just confirmed by various media but by the clubs where bids have gone in. And all before one single player of ours is sold. and Im sorry, cos I like you, but you need a Because that's what we do. We did it with Milner. We did it with Given and Nzogbia. We did it with Carroll. We sell without cover at the end of a window, occasionally having bought early to move season tickets. Do me a favour, Liverpool sold Torres at the last minute, leading to the Carroll deal. Hindsight proves it was better not to make some stupid 12th hour sale and instead have the time now to invest that money properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 First to bite gets 6 Rob W points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 So how do you account for all our current early activity that is not just confirmed by various media but by the clubs where bids have gone in. And all before one single player of ours is sold. and Im sorry, cos I like you, but you need a Because that's what we do. We did it with Milner. We did it with Given and Nzogbia. We did it with Carroll. We sell without cover at the end of a window, occasionally having bought early to move season tickets. Do me a favour, Liverpool sold Torres at the last minute, leading to the Carroll deal. Hindsight proves it was better not to make some stupid 12th hour sale and instead have the time now to invest that money properly. They agreed the deal at the weekend leaving them the full monday to get their men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Glad to see someone talkin sense....not siding with one nor another but a balanced opinion. Put it better than i could of. Listen i do actually think the alot of what FMA is doing is good for the club. I do also think many things he has done have been unmitigated disasters. However if we have a good summer and he shows his intent and its proven to be good, im happy for us to continue with him. UNTIL........An oil soaked stinking rich arab billionaire comes in a makes us his play toy. Absolutely spot on TN, but you shouldnt be saying these sort of things out loud in front of the clique. Its like that film invasion of the body snatchers, as soon as they spot something positive they all freeze and scream. (Probably before your time but the older ones will get the drift). Haha i have seen it actually! How old do you think i am? 16? ish Im quite insulted actually.....im 24! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 No deals have been finalised yet, but as I stated before, happy as I'll be to see the mooted players coming in, we have a clear plan to buy early in the window to sell season tickets and sell players closer to the window closing...like we always do. Tbf buying earlier gives the players more time to settle and have a good preseason. Selling at the end means they go for higher prices as other teams panic buy. Yes there may be an element of wanting to increase ticket sales, but even so it just makes good business+footballing sense to do it this way anyway tbh. Go easy on him, he's a goodun really. Just likes to play the WUM I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hang on, that's not right. Most people predicted we'd struggle in the championship and slated posters like accadacca and called him a spacker for predicting we'd waltz it. Then when we were promoted they did the same when people said we would do ok. Last summer was a great window and the christmas window has not panned out how everyone predicted it would. Carroll added fuck all to Liverpool this season and therefore by definition we lost little. That may change next season but it hasn't happened yet so when you talk about the burden of proof it falls just as heavily on the depressive fuckers on here. For the record we've spent £5m and sold no one so far this summer, yes? Most people didn't think we'd struggle at all...this thread for example, where the consensus seems to be playoff places.... http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...hl=championship and my thoughts on the matter were.... I expect to win the first 11 games at least. Hopefully 12. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=630298 We didn't, but I thought we'd do just fine. And again this year, I predicted the exact spot we'd finish. Thought we'd do OK, not great, and we did. It was always based more upon which teams were worse than us than any sort of ambition though. No deals have been finalised yet, but as I stated before, happy as I'll be to see the mooted players coming in, we have a clear plan to buy early in the window to sell season tickets and sell players closer to the window closing...like we always do. Can't imagine why anyone would think any different given the rumblings of discontent and the history...especially someone who was so sure Carroll would stay in January. See I remember this thread where a good few including the great Alex, laughed at Accadacca. http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...093&hl=piss (Apologies if its the same thread, havent checked.) Very few people saying we'll struggle in that thread. What people like you and Chez need to remember is that there's a whole host of possibilities between disagreeing that we'd piss the league and thinking we were relegation bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 I can find links proving a lot of things, they are time dependent, inconsistent and prove very little. What I will say is that anyone saying anything positive gets shouted down on this board, thats a fact that no amount of links will disprove to me. I've not even bothered to click on them, as a keen reader of this forum I'll form my own broad characterisations for myself. People were hoping for the play off, thats a long way from utterly pissing the league. As for predictions for the season just gone, again depends when you asked people. The point about January is that the rhetoric which is dominating again is that it was a negative window. Didn't pan out that way though, did it? Cabaye has signed too, waiting for that to be confirmed is like waiting for the Olympics to start before believing they will be in London. I know what I read on here and I know generally what people's attitudes are, your disingenuous claims that we're all really positive after all because one or two posts in thousands say so won't persuade me I've got to visit the opticians. I was wrong about Carroll but then again, Ashely was right to sell him (so far anyway, given the focus on proof) See what Im talkin about....Gay Icon. I wish I was Gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 How can any Newcastle fan assume they're all done deals? That's not negative either before you start, it's purely matter of fact. As I stated in the OP. But the very fact these are the type of players we are desperately trying to tie down should be cause of celebration. And btw, Cabaye must be on some sort of agreement for it all to come out. There will be at least a dozen good clubs looking at these players, let's wait and see. Nothing wrong with a bit of enthusiasm as long as it comes with disclaimers. Take it from me I learnt that the hard way in the early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 So how do you account for all our current early activity that is not just confirmed by various media but by the clubs where bids have gone in. And all before one single player of ours is sold. and Im sorry, cos I like you, but you need a Because that's what we do. We did it with Milner. We did it with Given and Nzogbia. We did it with Carroll. We sell without cover at the end of a window, occasionally having bought early to move season tickets. Do me a favour, Liverpool sold Torres at the last minute, leading to the Carroll deal. Hindsight proves it was better not to make some stupid 12th hour sale and instead have the time now to invest that money properly. My point is that there's an undeniable pattern of flogging players with value at the end of a window. It worked out with Carroll this season. Good deal. But it ended with relegation the other times. Hopefully it'll work out when we do it this window. Which you must agree we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) The big problem for me is that accadacca wasn't simply bullish about our chances. His optimism seemed blind, he couldn't back up his claims we'd piss the league. I've got no problem listening to informed people who're positive about our chances, it's just people stating, categorically, that we're signing fantastic players (despite knowing nothing about them, nor having sufficient insight to support their claims these new players could trasnfer good performances from one league to another), people stating this is all a grand plan, etc. Put it this way, when Tom is optimistic I'll pay attention. When CT is optimistic, I dismiss it as the attention seeking gibbering of a bored cabbie Bingo btw And just shows what a dullard attention seeker you are. As most will confirm (could even post the thread) Accadacca backed his claims up by listing our contenders in the championship and detailing why we were better. This is your problem Fish when you are always to quick to jump in slagging someone off. Learn from your mistakes. As I remember, this detail was him saying they were shit. Not great detail you'd agree. He actually said..... WBA - good manager, but have lost a few players from last season - Robinson, Fortune, the loanee from Arsenal, and probably Greening. Def' top 6. BORO - losing what little quality they had and bringing in cheapos - accident waiting to happen - will be nearer bottom than top. CARDIFF - have strengthened and look to be top 6 material but if McCormack and Ledley go could just finish outside PRESTON - one season wonders - no chance of doing it again and have sold most influential player to Forest - 8th/9th for them FOREST - have brought in loads of players in complete revamp. Davies knows this divsion and for me def' top 6. READING - unproven but highly rated new manager. Need to replace a few and havent done so. Home record will ensure they are up there but if Hunt goes and isnt replaced, no chance of top 6. SHEFF UTD - very strong team physically and decent boss in Blackwell . Have made couple of decent signings, strong squad by CCC standards and top 2 for me. SHEFF WED - have made 3 good signings but still not strong enough to make top 8 - if Tudgay goes, they really will struggle again. LEICESTER - lots of additions and could be a surprise package. Good manager and passionate home crowd - just outside top 6 for me. IPSWICH - lightweight squad and have RK's volatility to upset the apple cart. Strapped for cash - may just scrape top 6 but will be close. DERBY - have hardly heard of any of their players, and signing lower division players - no chance of top 8. QPR - plenty money backing them, but wtf is Magilton doing managing them ? Couple of decent signings so far and may just make the play offs. BRISTOL CITY - very busy in transfer market with decent manager - def in with shout of play offs - dodgy ground to go to as well esp in the 70's and 80's. SWANSEA -will try and play football under Sousa but losing Scotland is a blow - top 10. The amount of no hopers is unbelievable - Scunthorpe, Coventry {sold all their best players so far !}, Plymouth, Peterboro, Barnsley {5000 allocation !!}, Doncaster, Palace, Watford and Blackpool. The Town top, Sheff Utd 2nd, WBA 3rd, Forest 4th, Bristol City 5th and QPR 6th. Nowt to beat man - roll on 16 days time. No detail like Now come back with some petty crap if you like, but its clear to everyone the way you go on. Seriously you should try and contain your need to fawn and just try and join in without trying to be a nasty little girl. Edited May 30, 2011 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Happy to admit I was wrong about acca, still right about you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 So how do you account for all our current early activity that is not just confirmed by various media but by the clubs where bids have gone in. And all before one single player of ours is sold. and Im sorry, cos I like you, but you need a Because that's what we do. We did it with Milner. We did it with Given and Nzogbia. We did it with Carroll. We sell without cover at the end of a window, occasionally having bought early to move season tickets. Do me a favour, Liverpool sold Torres at the last minute, leading to the Carroll deal. Hindsight proves it was better not to make some stupid 12th hour sale and instead have the time now to invest that money properly. My point is that there's an undeniable pattern of flogging players with value at the end of a window. It worked out with Carroll this season. Good deal. But it ended with relegation the other times. Hopefully it'll work out when we do it this window. Which you must agree we will. We all know that prior to last summer, all transfer dealings were done during a time of turmoil and have no comparison to the relatively controlled and business like manner we find ourselves in today. I fully understand the hurt of the past but it shouldnt let you block out the new green shoots that are everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. Twaddle like that makes you as popular as you are. Tony Blair Mk. II tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. I'm not stopping them, but I'd take them more seriously if their English was GCSE grade C or above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. Twaddle like that makes you as popular as you are. Tony Blair Mk. II tbh I love you to But its still true. Like Stevie I remember being devatated when the mackems beat us in the play offs. Tearful when KK's helicopter left the pitch and fucking distraught when Beardsley (the greatest toon player I have seen) was sold to Liverpool. This after years and years and years of shite football. Times now are fucking brilliant compared to some of them. edit Ossies fucking army ffs (our lass thought we had a lot of mascots that day) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. I'm not stopping them, but I'd take them more seriously if their English was GCSE grade C or above. Im more interested in what they say, not how they say it or spell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4850 Posted May 30, 2011 Author Share Posted May 30, 2011 off for a piss and a sarnie brb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Against the backdrop of our current owner and recent history I don't think the general view on this board is unwarranted. I think the positivity/cynicism would be more or less inverse 15 years ago on here. At that time the cynics would have been panned. You forget though that 15 years ago was our "high" in decades.... There are lads today logging on here who only know Ashley (poor buggers) but they still want to feel positive and support the club, same as most of us did in the dire shit of the 70's and 80's. Twaddle like that makes you as popular as you are. Tony Blair Mk. II tbh I love you to But its still true. Like Stevie I remember being devatated when the mackems beat us in the play offs. Tearful when KK's helicopter left the pitch and fucking distraught when Beardsley (the greatest toon player I have seen) was sold to Liverpool. This after years and years and years of shite football. Times now are fucking brilliant compared to some of them. edit Ossies fucking army ffs (our lass thought we had a lot of mascots that day) Away and shite. You wouldn't know who we were playing when Keegan took his helicopter ride without Google. You're this bloke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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