Dr Gloom 21191 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Andrew said: Thats one of those plot points where I preferred that it was a bit out there tbh, I'd rather have had that scene than not and if they've been buried under a thousand feet of rubble mashed to a pulp it would've been worse for it. As for Danys end, how so? Jon Snow turns out be Azor Ahai in the end after all It just felt a little flat and rushed. Obviously you’re never going to please everyone. The whole thing did tbh, as final episodes of brilliant series often do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20177 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 It was a bit shit really tbh. The writers completely ran out of ideas after Jon murdered his aunt in cold blood. And i don't agree the characters had resolution. The nature of Bran was never explained. And why did Reepicheep just go off exploring? What was the point of the night's watch post zombies and now the free people are free? Greyworms behaviour was implausible too, as was Yaras. Meh. Breaking Bad beats this as the greatest series of all time as it perfectly completed the protagonists story arcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4646 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I basically killed the conversation on last weeks episode by pointing this out but I love how reasonable everyone on here is about the thing, anywhere else the discussion on this series has been an absolute turd as people got so hyped about it before it came on that it couldn't possibly have lived up to expectations. I wonder if its the downtrodden Newcastle fan side of us all that kept us grounded? No expectations means its hard to be let down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4646 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 And, just like last week, as soon as I start typing that in comes Renton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21191 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, Gemmill said: You can't call someone in a wheelchair "the broken". Are you still watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20177 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Andrew said: And, just like last week, as soon as I start typing that in comes Renton... I still think GoT was brilliant in its totality, just think the ending was a major let down. I got the impression the writers didn't know where it was heading from the start, so couldn't end it satisfactorily. Its the case 90% of the time, but I'm not under any illusion it was a stellar ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41165 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Needed more tits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20177 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Needed more tits. There is definitely a direct correlation between GoT quality and chebbage. I'll tell you how they should have ended this. Cut forward to an 80 year old Tyrion, rosy cheeked, getting noshed off by a young whore. One last gasp, eyes close, fade to black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4227 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Renton said: It was a bit shit really tbh. The writers completely ran out of ideas after Jon murdered his aunt in cold blood. And i don't agree the characters had resolution. The nature of Bran was never explained. And why did Reepicheep just go off exploring? What was the point of the night's watch post zombies and now the free people are free? Greyworms behaviour was implausible too, as was Yaras. Meh. Breaking Bad beats this as the greatest series of all time as it perfectly completed the protagonists story arcs. Breaking bad was "easy" to end satisfactoryly as it was dealing with two characters whose fate didn't affect the bigger world. Game of thrones, counting those alive before the long night, had to determine the fate of probably twenty main characters and also the fate of the whole world. The results were mixed. Reading between the lines, they followed Martin's vision more or less to the letter albeit without his words to follow. I think it proved too much for them and may prove too much for him if he ever gets there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20177 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 hours ago, NJS said: Breaking bad was "easy" to end satisfactoryly as it was dealing with two characters whose fate didn't affect the bigger world. Game of thrones, counting those alive before the long night, had to determine the fate of probably twenty main characters and also the fate of the whole world. The results were mixed. Reading between the lines, they followed Martin's vision more or less to the letter albeit without his words to follow. I think it proved too much for them and may prove too much for him if he ever gets there. Excellent point about BB and GoT. Ultimately perhaps for me the surviving characters just didn't have the emotional strength to pull the ending off. Never mind, still a remarkable series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29211 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Why were Ayra, Bran, Brienne and Ser Davos even at the meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4227 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Probably the only "powerful" people left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4227 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I see HF's on form suggesting Bran engineered everything and won the game - grain of sense in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16349 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, ewerk said: Why were Ayra, Bran, Brienne and Ser Davos even at the meeting? 1 Royal family 2 knight of the realm err....? "the onion knight" nice to lonely little girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29211 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, NJS said: Probably the only "powerful" people left. Aye but how do the Starks get three representatives? Kinda gave Bran the edge a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29211 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Also, it's been over 24 hours now and no word on The Fish. Can someone check on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41165 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ewerk said: Also, it's been over 24 hours now and no word on The Fish. Can someone check on him? Give me a second… … he’s halfway through typing up his reply synopsis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42030 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Are you still watching? My lass watches it. I'm very much just in the room while the drivel plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10335 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ewerk said: Why were Ayra, Bran, Brienne and Ser Davos even at the meeting? All three powerful figures in the country for different reasons. Arya is the one who ended the threat from the dead. Bran is some spooky nigh-on omniscient wizardy bloke, and Sansa is a leader of the entire North. Davos is a landed knight, has been hand of a couple of kings. I'm guessing Brienne is the leader of her house now? 11 hours ago, Renton said: I still think GoT was brilliant in its totality, just think the ending was a major let down. I got the impression the writers didn't know where it was heading from the start, so couldn't end it satisfactorily. Its the case 90% of the time, but I'm not under any illusion it was a stellar ending. I think it's the other way around, I think they knew where it was heading (Arya killing NK, Jon killing Dany then not sitting on the throne, Sansa as Queen of the North, Cersei and Jaime dying together etc.), but had so many strings to tie together, they tied themselves in knots or just cut threads off. After they ran out of books it clearly leapt from a Character driven meander, to a Plot driven railroad. It lost something because of that. Mostly because, in my opinion, there were so many characters whose individual motivations seem to be at loggerheads with the endgame by season/book 5 it could have taken a further 3 or 4 seasons to get a satisfying conclusion. As someone said, it was always going to be an odd episode because we all knew it was the end. I'm overall happy with the way it panned out, even if I've selfish preferences about how they could have got there. (Personally think they should have spent a season building up to the threat from the North being extinguished by Arya, then a season after the end of the NK with the forces of the North moving South, sowing more seeds of Dany's descent into madness and conflict with Jon so that when she goes full Barbecue Bonkers on Kings Landing it isn't as jarring). As mentioned, it was odd Grey Worm demanding justice for Dany, then fucking off forever without any apparent interest in seeing if that justice is served. Read on twitter that the island he's heading to might be pretty, but there's some plague there that the natives are immune to but any visitors all die within hours. Sam breaking out the "Song of Ice and Fire" was fucking cringe mind you. Also made me chuckle when someone suggested the Unsullied start a house. How're the cockless wonderboys going to manage that then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21191 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 there's a reason George RR Martin has taken so long to finish his books. trying up all the loose ends for so many characters in such a sprawling, epic story was never going to be easy, and was never likely to satisfy everyone. i think, on reflection, the final season was about a 6 or 7 out of 10. not as good as previous seasons but not a total disaster and it provided some memorable episodes, the long night and the last of the starks were both excellent tv, but both the penultimate episode and the finale felt a little rushed and anticlimactic. the finale also stank a bit of hollywood cheese, something which the series on whole has avoided, and lacking in major twists or surprises you would expect from the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10335 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: there's a reason George RR Martin has taken so long to finish his books. trying up all the loose ends for so many characters in such a sprawling, epic story was never going to be easy, and was never likely to satisfy everyone. i think, on reflection, the final season was about a 6 or 7 out of 10. not as good as previous seasons but not a total disaster and it provided some memorable episodes, the long night and the last of the starks were both excellent tv, but both the penultimate episode and the finale felt a little rushed and anticlimactic. the finale also stank a bit of hollywood cheese, something which the series on whole has avoided, and lacking in major twists or surprises you would expect from the show. Yeah, GoT's meat and drink is subverting expectations. And while some of the character's ended up taking dramatically different positions come the end, the major players were pretty much as expected; Dany dead, Jon alive but not wanting the throne, Jaime & Cersei dead, Tyrion alive, Sansa leading the Northern powerhouse, Arya fucking off for adventures. Even the way Dany died was a bit... meh. Partly because of Kit Harrington's performance, partly the writing, mostly the speed that they rattled through it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5127 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I don't think he will ever finish them because he's rich as fuck and seems to have no motivation. But then I'm cynical about authors in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10335 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I don't think he will ever finish them because he's rich as fuck and seems to have no motivation. But then I'm cynical about authors in general Because of the way he writes, I don't think he has it in him to tie it all together. Requires a different approach, imo. I wonder if, after he croaks, someone else will give it a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20177 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 It's like finding the motivation to complete a PhD after you've won the lottery. Arguably worse, because the TV show is already out there. I would most like the Bran/3er thing explained. It probably never will be satisfactorily. Like fuck am I reading the books though, even if he does finish them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4227 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I don't think he will ever finish them because he's rich as fuck and seems to have no motivation. But then I'm cynical about authors in general And a seventy-odd year old fat cunt as well. (Martin, not you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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