Tooj 17 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Lets face it chaps, and I know the pessimists dont want to hear this, but this transfer window is gearing up to be one of the most anticipated and exciting for a lot of years. We do have a solid foundation We do have a great squad spirit We are about to break even by all accounts We have a proper transfer kitty to play with We have Graham Carr And we have been told we have had lots of people out scouting for several months now. Its going to be awesome. Bookmarked for September 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Lets face it chaps, and I know the pessimists dont want to hear this, but this transfer window is gearing up to be one of the most anticipated and exciting for a lot of years. We do have a solid foundation We do have a great squad spirit We are about to break even by all accounts We have a proper transfer kitty to play with We have Graham Carr And we have been told we have had lots of people out scouting for several months now. Its going to be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 "We have Graham Carr" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 @ N'Zogbia at left back. He was a rubbish left back, always out of position, couldn't tackle and repeatedly failed to clear the ball. All stands to reason because you can't just decide someone is a left back because they're left footed. Has never had an ounce of defending in him and never will. And most importantly...wait for it...he wanted to leave us because we were always playing him at LB! Why would he ever come back here to play LB for us again? It boggles the mind what these morons will come up with. It's fair enough wanting to be optimistic about our club, God knows we could use some optimism (you know, like the optimistic feeling most of us on here had around November before we sacked our best manager in 6-7 years and sold our best striker without replacing him) but fuck me, you've got to have absolutely no sense of pattern recognition not to see what's going on here. See you on September 2nd. Watch your mouth you little bitch. You're a moron who thinks FM is reality, your posts are cringeworthy, and you're an embarrassment. Up to this point, I've not joined in with the group of people who always have a go at you for your idiotic predictions and constant berating of people who are 'overly pessimistic' (i.e. they live in the real world whereas you live in cloud cuckoo land) because I felt sorry for you, but your increasing arrogance (as though there's anything to be arrogant about when you're predicting we'll sign or even go after Huntelaar, Derdiyok and van der Wiel) is really not attractive or endearing. Haha I thought you hadnt joined in with the rest of them as you had a brain, obviously not, obviously your a little sheep as well as a little bitch. Do you suck them off too? Honestly dont patronise me, i dont yours or anyone elses pitty because miserable idiots dont agree with me, im a big lad and can take their stupid sly little digs...end of the day i enjoy my "cloud cookoo land life" its pretty good. Its probably you and them with the pessimistic outlook who are living a pretty shitty boring life and feel the need to "try" and talk down to anyone with a bit of optimism. Get a grip man. And for the record...i NEVER said we would go for the likes of VDW and Huntelaar, more that it was the standard we should be aiming for. Fuck sake. We HAVE a solid foundation. There IS money to be spent. We CAN attract quality players. We just have to wait and see what happens in the summer. I just rather be positive about it and let down than miserable all the time and then even more miserable. Pint half full...always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 @ N'Zogbia at left back. He was a rubbish left back, always out of position, couldn't tackle and repeatedly failed to clear the ball. All stands to reason because you can't just decide someone is a left back because they're left footed. Has never had an ounce of defending in him and never will. And most importantly...wait for it...he wanted to leave us because we were always playing him at LB! Why would he ever come back here to play LB for us again? It boggles the mind what these morons will come up with. It's fair enough wanting to be optimistic about our club, God knows we could use some optimism (you know, like the optimistic feeling most of us on here had around November before we sacked our best manager in 6-7 years and sold our best striker without replacing him) but fuck me, you've got to have absolutely no sense of pattern recognition not to see what's going on here. See you on September 2nd. Watch your mouth you little bitch. You're a moron who thinks FM is reality, your posts are cringeworthy, and you're an embarrassment. Up to this point, I've not joined in with the group of people who always have a go at you for your idiotic predictions and constant berating of people who are 'overly pessimistic' (i.e. they live in the real world whereas you live in cloud cuckoo land) because I felt sorry for you, but your increasing arrogance (as though there's anything to be arrogant about when you're predicting we'll sign or even go after Huntelaar, Derdiyok and van der Wiel) is really not attractive or endearing. Haha I thought you hadnt joined in with the rest of them as you had a brain, obviously not, obviously your a little sheep as well as a little bitch. Do you suck them off too? Honestly dont patronise me, i dont yours or anyone elses pitty because miserable idiots dont agree with me, im a big lad and can take their stupid sly little digs...end of the day i enjoy my "cloud cookoo land life" its pretty good. Its probably you and them with the pessimistic outlook who are living a pretty shitty boring life and feel the need to "try" and talk down to anyone with a bit of optimism. Get a grip man. And for the record...i NEVER said we would go for the likes of VDW and Huntelaar, more that it was the standard we should be aiming for. Fuck sake. We HAVE a solid foundation. There IS money to be spent. We CAN attract quality players. We just have to wait and see what happens in the summer. I just rather be positive about it and let down than miserable all the time and then even more miserable. Pint half full...always. ah, the innocence of youth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4858 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Lets face it chaps, and I know the pessimists dont want to hear this, but this transfer window is gearing up to be one of the most anticipated and exciting for a lot of years. We do have a solid foundation We do have a great squad spirit We are about to break even by all accounts We have a proper transfer kitty to play with We have Graham Carr And we have been told we have had lots of people out scouting for several months now. Its going to be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 878 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Haha I thought you hadnt joined in with the rest of them as you had a brain, obviously not, obviously your a little sheep as well as a little bitch. Do you suck them off too? Honestly dont patronise me, i dont yours or anyone elses pitty because miserable idiots dont agree with me, im a big lad and can take their stupid sly little digs...end of the day i enjoy my "cloud cookoo land life" its pretty good. Its probably you and them with the pessimistic outlook who are living a pretty shitty boring life and feel the need to "try" and talk down to anyone with a bit of optimism. Get a grip man. And for the record...i NEVER said we would go for the likes of VDW and Huntelaar, more that it was the standard we should be aiming for. Fuck sake. We HAVE a solid foundation. There IS money to be spent. We CAN attract quality players. We just have to wait and see what happens in the summer. I just rather be positive about it and let down than miserable all the time and then even more miserable. Pint half full...always. TN man, we have seen what happens in the summer, and in January, and in summer and January and summer and January and on and on and on. I just don't understand what signs you think there are that indicate that this summer is going to be any different. I've never understood it. I like to think that I'm not a doom and gloom type as far as NUFC is concerned. I don't think we're doomed to failure next season. But I have absolutely no faith in the fat wanker who owns us and holds the purse strings and I have no faith in the puppet who picks the team either, and with that unholy combination I just don't see how we will press on from the position we attained this year. We do have a solid foundation. It's the other two that are the problem. I don't believe that we will spend any substantive amount of money, and that's not based on my being 'miserable', but on the evidence of all the past transfer windows. I believe we are more likely to see parts of the 'solid foundation' sold off than to see upgrades brought in. And I do believe we can attract quality players - Fulham, Birmingham, WBA, even West Ham brought in decent players and they're in similar situations to us. But I don't think that we fork out the required amounts to attract quality, and that we will continue to gamble on unproven players for low fees and wages and to hope that some of them come good. When enough of our new recruits do turn out to be decent, we will attain moderate success, as we did this season. When it doesn't happen, we will flounder. We gambled on our Premier League status in '09 and lost, and we gambled again this January. We won this time. What's to say we'll win next time Fat Mike or whichever of his cronies actually makes the decisions thinks we're safe/good enough? If all of that makes me miserable or my outlook on NUFC shitty, so be it. I want to believe we will succeed, as opposed to some who I genuinely believe are pleased that we are unlikely to, as it vindicates their beliefs. But I see no evidence to indicate that we will push on from here, and plenty of evidence that indicates we may regress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Last summer was good with hindsight. Kept our best players and added in 2 magnificent signings. It was that good it made January all the more surprising. There is certainly no pattern you are alluding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10032 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 TN man, we have seen what happens in the summer, and in January, and in summer and January and summer and January and on and on and on. I just don't understand what signs you think there are that indicate that this summer is going to be any different. I've never understood it. Simple really, previously the club was on it's arse, financially, now it isn't. Of course whether that will make a difference remains to be seen, nonetheless it is a significant difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Last summer was good with hindsight. Kept our best players and added in 2 magnificent signings. It was that good it made January all the more surprising. There is certainly no pattern you are alluding to. True dat. Could even be argued our championship january was alright considering where we were. Routledge helped us finish the job last year and we'l probs get a fee for him this summer, while Best's goals after New Year kept morale up and bagged us some vital points. Will hopefully be an adequate 3rd/4th choice next year and nick 5-10 goals again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) I did argue that in January when saying we would keep Carroll. So i'm going to hang back from predicting a good summer. However the Routledge deal is interesting, I wonder if Pardew was helping the summer pot by trimming the wage bill. It didnt make any sense at the time, we could have played him in loads of games recently, yet we havent ultimately needed him. If that is the crack then not sure it bodes well for the summer. If he needs to shift less than half a mill off the wage bill, it's not exactly going to be a massive budget. I reckon £15m net, possibly £10m as I reckon we'll get a daft offer for Enrique. There will be plenty who think thats optimistic so we'll see. I started a thread to keep track of these things. Edited May 16, 2011 by ChezGiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Last summer was good with hindsight. Kept our best players and added in 2 magnificent signings. It was that good it made January all the more surprising. There is certainly no pattern you are alluding to. I think keeping our best players in that window was because no one wanted to touch them, if an offer came in for any of them they'd have been shipped out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3120 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Duff got sold. If we got offers for that bag of crap then we certainly got offers for the others. Probably just not at the asking price that was set for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Thats cos he'd been there and done it though, he'd proved for Chelsea and Blackburn he was a good Prem player but for us he never got near that level, so he was a good cheap option for a bit of experience. But the likes of Jonas, Colo and Enrique, they didnt have a good time that season and never shone, Nolan didn't look up to scratch neither in those 6 months he had with us, Barton was considered a ticking timebomb, Ryan Taylor was shyte, no one really wanted to pay over the odds for an unproven player in Carroll at that time, Ameobi was balls back then too. So i think if a decent offer for any of them had been received i think they'd have been away, theyre was probably a few enquiries but nothing solid or anything that matched their pricetags, which was something that was done with the likes of Martins, Bassong, Beye etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10032 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Last summer was good with hindsight. Kept our best players and added in 2 magnificent signings. It was that good it made January all the more surprising. There is certainly no pattern you are alluding to. I think keeping our best players in that window was because no one wanted to touch them, if an offer came in for any of them they'd have been shipped out I don't see any basis for that stance, to be honest. Carroll's sale could be put forward as an example, but that was stupid money. We kept an "expensive" squad nucleus when we went down, no real firesale and given the reduced money in the Championship that was only going to cost one certain person a decent slab of his own money. Yes it was a gamble that we'd come back up, but it was an individual risk/gamble for you know who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3523 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Last summer was good with hindsight. Kept our best players and added in 2 magnificent signings. It was that good it made January all the more surprising. There is certainly no pattern you are alluding to. I think keeping our best players in that window was because no one wanted to touch them, if an offer came in for any of them they'd have been shipped out I don't see any basis for that stance, to be honest. Carroll's sale could be put forward as an example, but that was stupid money. We kept an "expensive" squad nucleus when we went down, no real firesale and given the reduced money in the Championship that was only going to cost one certain person a decent slab of his own money. Yes it was a gamble that we'd come back up, but it was an individual risk/gamble for you know who. No it wasn't. It was well documented there were no relegation clauses in the contracts of our players and those that they received offers for were sold - the rest stayed because they would not get the same wages elsewhere and that's if there were even offers for them. It wasn't a gamble, he had no choice because of his own gamble that the club wouldn't be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 10032 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Last summer was good with hindsight. Kept our best players and added in 2 magnificent signings. It was that good it made January all the more surprising. There is certainly no pattern you are alluding to. I think keeping our best players in that window was because no one wanted to touch them, if an offer came in for any of them they'd have been shipped out I don't see any basis for that stance, to be honest. Carroll's sale could be put forward as an example, but that was stupid money. We kept an "expensive" squad nucleus when we went down, no real firesale and given the reduced money in the Championship that was only going to cost one certain person a decent slab of his own money. Yes it was a gamble that we'd come back up, but it was an individual risk/gamble for you know who. No it wasn't. It was well documented there were no relegation clauses in the contracts of our players and those that they received offers for were sold - the rest stayed because they would not get the same wages elsewhere and that's if there were even offers for them. It wasn't a gamble, he had no choice because of his own gamble that the club wouldn't be relegated. Aye OK. There's ways of cutting losses though and we didn't particularly savagely. BTW no relegation clauses is just the way NUFC did contracts, it wasn't an Ashley invention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 We HAVE a solid foundation. - Who doesn't have a solid foundation? EVERY club in the league has something to build on. You don't build anything by selling your best platyers though. Which is the stated aim.There IS money to be spent. - What makes you think that? The club has a nine figure debt. We CAN attract quality players. - But we won't pay quality prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Last summer was good with hindsight. Kept our best players and added in 2 magnificent signings. It was that good it made January all the more surprising. There is certainly no pattern you are alluding to. I think keeping our best players in that window was because no one wanted to touch them, if an offer came in for any of them they'd have been shipped out I don't see any basis for that stance, to be honest. Carroll's sale could be put forward as an example, but that was stupid money. We kept an "expensive" squad nucleus when we went down, no real firesale and given the reduced money in the Championship that was only going to cost one certain person a decent slab of his own money. Yes it was a gamble that we'd come back up, but it was an individual risk/gamble for you know who. No it wasn't. It was well documented there were no relegation clauses in the contracts of our players and those that they received offers for were sold - the rest stayed because they would not get the same wages elsewhere and that's if there were even offers for them. It wasn't a gamble, he had no choice because of his own gamble that the club wouldn't be relegated. Thats completely made up. Also, if the club had wanted to reduce its wage bill it could have got rid of players last summer. You have no idea what offers came in, what the players were thinking in relation to leaving and what view the club had on its playing staff. SCSI is also just making things up. Last summer was a good summer with hindsight, we kept our best players and brought in 2 excellent signings. If we do the same this summer and bring in 2 players of the quality of Tiote/Ben Arfa, then it will be a positive summer. It was not a positive January (although its forgotten we turned the Ben Arfa deal permanent which was a big move). There is no pattern. Seeing one is just seeing what you want to see. Using January to predict what will happen this summer is about as useful as using the FTSE index today to predict where it will be next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 We could have got rid of Alan Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I would go for Santa Cruz and push the boat out for Sturridge, if not maybe a loan. City are gonna sign more strikers and they also have 3 on loan so Santa Cruz ain't going back and we are a step up from Blackburn. Hang onto Jose,Barton and Nolan and cover for Tiote plus flog Smith,R Taylor,Perch and release Campbell to free up wages. All that will cost less than 20m net. I can't see Chelsea having Sturridge as a starting striker with Torres, Roman is gonna want another big name Maybe have enough left to sign Foster and fuck Krul off for a mil too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I would go for Santa Cruz and push the boat out for Sturridge, if not maybe a loan. City are gonna sign more strikers and they also have 3 on loan so Santa Cruz ain't going back and we are a step up from Blackburn. Hang onto Jose,Barton and Nolan and cover for Tiote plus flog Smith,R Taylor,Perch and release Campbell to free up wages. All that will cost less than 20m net. I can't see Chelsea having Sturridge as a starting striker with Torres, Roman is gonna want another big name Maybe have enough left to sign Foster and fuck Krul off for a mil too PS we WERE a step up from Blackburn We are more likely to sell Enrique, Barton or Tiotte and replace them with another Perch, RTaylor or Campbell. At least you got Krul right, because he's a flapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaythesouthernmag 0 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I would go for Santa Cruz and push the boat out for Sturridge, if not maybe a loan. City are gonna sign more strikers and they also have 3 on loan so Santa Cruz ain't going back and we are a step up from Blackburn. Hang onto Jose,Barton and Nolan and cover for Tiote plus flog Smith,R Taylor,Perch and release Campbell to free up wages. All that will cost less than 20m net. I can't see Chelsea having Sturridge as a starting striker with Torres, Roman is gonna want another big name Maybe have enough left to sign Foster and fuck Krul off for a mil too PS we WERE a step up from Blackburn We are more likely to sell Enrique, Barton or Tiotte and replace them with another Perch, RTaylor or Campbell. At least you got Krul right, because he's a flapper. Yyyyaaaaaaawwwwnnnnn!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I would go for Santa Cruz and push the boat out for Sturridge, if not maybe a loan. City are gonna sign more strikers and they also have 3 on loan so Santa Cruz ain't going back and we are a step up from Blackburn. Hang onto Jose,Barton and Nolan and cover for Tiote plus flog Smith,R Taylor,Perch and release Campbell to free up wages. All that will cost less than 20m net. I can't see Chelsea having Sturridge as a starting striker with Torres, Roman is gonna want another big name Maybe have enough left to sign Foster and fuck Krul off for a mil too PS we WERE a step up from Blackburn We are more likely to sell Enrique, Barton or Tiotte and replace them with another Perch, RTaylor or Campbell. At least you got Krul right, because he's a flapper. Yyyyaaaaaaawwwwnnnnn!!!!!!!!! ah, more innocence of youth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4858 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 This forums definitely polarising into on one side who still have hope that progress can be made and extremists at the other end of the scale who are posters who appear to have swapped supporting for sniping. It's a shame more sensible posters like myself, Chez, Tiote, Jonas, Jay etc etc can't drown out these downtalkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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