Huxley vs. Orwell

[sammynb 3368]

Having boinked a 25 year old asian who has the mental age of a 12 year old, I know that there's just no way that that is right.

 

Maybe he also likes them to taste like noodles!

[sammynb 3368]

Cat's Cradle is genius.

 

And with glass of Blair Athol in hand, I thank you sir.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

I think you need to re-read Nineteen Eighty Four as it's closer to 21st century US/UK than Stalin USSR as you're claiming.

While you're there read Dick's Galactic Pot-Healer while you're at it and Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle.

 

It's not really my claim, Orwell talked about it all himself in some of the extra-text with 1984/animal farm and in his essays. He talked about his goals and aims of his work and also this sort of criticism of Stalin a the time was quite radical and frowned upon, as he was an ally against Hitler, and admired by many of the left in England. I think people who believe 1984 is closer to US/UK than Stalinist regimes are incorrect, perhaps delusional, and the only guy I know personally who thinks that (he's not read 1984 like) is a grade-A nut, believes every conspiracy theory going except some of Icke's stuff.

 

Thanks for the book recommendations anyway, I'll check them out.

Edited May 12, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt

[Happy Face 29]

I don't like Woody Allen. I just don't get the whole marrying a 12 year old Asian chick deal.

 

To be fair she was 21 when they started the relationship and 26 when they married..

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

I don't like Woody Allen. I just don't get the whole marrying a 12 year old Asian chick deal.

 

To be fair she was 21 when they started the relationship and 26 when they married..

 

How old was he? About 40 odd? It's still not on. Perhaps my view is biased because the majority of people that age I've known have been very immature, including myself. I'm not judgmental about most things, but when I hear about, say, Seinfeld dating 19 year olds and shit like this, it does seem weird tbh.

[ChezGiven 0]

I think you need to re-read Nineteen Eighty Four as it's closer to 21st century US/UK than Stalin USSR as you're claiming.

While you're there read Dick's Galactic Pot-Healer while you're at it and Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle.

 

It's not really my claim, Orwell talked about it all himself in some of the extra-text with 1984/animal farm and in his essays. He talked about his goals and aims of his work and also this sort of criticism of Stalin a the time was quite radical and frowned upon, as he was an ally against Hitler, and admired by many of the left in England. I think people who believe 1984 is closer to US/UK than Stalinist regimes are incorrect, perhaps delusional, and the only guy I know personally who thinks that (he's not read 1984 like) is a grade-A nut, believes every conspiracy theory going except some of Icke's stuff.

 

Thanks for the book recommendations anyway, I'll check them out.

 

You reference this man quite often. Who is he?

[Happy Face 29]

I don't like Woody Allen. I just don't get the whole marrying a 12 year old Asian chick deal.

 

To be fair she was 21 when they started the relationship and 26 when they married..

 

How old was he? About 40 odd? It's still not on. Perhaps my view is biased because the majority of people that age I've known have been very immature, including myself. I'm not judgmental about most things, but when I hear about, say, Seinfeld dating 19 year olds and shit like this, it does seem weird tbh.

 

Much older than that. Well into his fifties.

 

Won't argue it's weird, but just thought I'd clarify, not criminally so.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

@ Chez

 

Just a guy a work, conspiracy theorist. He got sacked from the civil service because he tried to instigate a strike/riot. He smokes a lot of weed. He also wants to get a mail-order bride now. I was reading 1984 at work and he said, 'yeah man, that Orwell was ahead of his time man'. I asked him if he'd read 1984, to which he replied, 'I don't need to mate, I'M LIVING IT' He said this pointing his fingers to his temples like De Niro in Taxi Driver after he's massacred the pimps. He'll probably go postal one day.

 

Just reminded me, the last time I spoke to him at lunch I asked him about Bin Laden being killed and if he thought Bin Laden ever existed. He said he read a document that said Bin Laden was really a guy called Tim Osmond who worked for the CIA He's basically Parky but younger, and not as intelligent/likable.

Edited May 12, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt

[sammynb 3368]

I don't like Woody Allen. I just don't get the whole marrying a 12 year old Asian chick deal.

 

To be fair she was 21 when they started the relationship and 26 when they married..

 

How old was he? About 40 odd? It's still not on. Perhaps my view is biased because the majority of people that age I've known have been very immature, including myself. I'm not judgmental about most things, but when I hear about, say, Seinfeld dating 19 year olds and shit like this, it does seem weird tbh.

 

She was his adopted daughter - now that's just fucking wrong

[Guest alex]

KSA, you're not left-handed and bad at spelling are you?

[Happy Face 29]

I don't like Woody Allen. I just don't get the whole marrying a 12 year old Asian chick deal.

 

To be fair she was 21 when they started the relationship and 26 when they married..

 

How old was he? About 40 odd? It's still not on. Perhaps my view is biased because the majority of people that age I've known have been very immature, including myself. I'm not judgmental about most things, but when I hear about, say, Seinfeld dating 19 year olds and shit like this, it does seem weird tbh.

 

She was his adopted daughter - now that's just fucking wrong

 

No she wasn't.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

KSA, you're not left-handed and bad at spelling are you?

 

Spill the beans Alex, you're operating above my pay-grade here.

 

I can spell complex words like lugubrious, I'm not that bad. I use spoons with my left hand.

[Guest alex]

KSA, you're not left-handed and bad at spelling are you?

 

Spill the beans Alex, you're operating above my pay-grade here.

 

I can spell complex words like lugubrious, I'm not that bad. I use spoons with my left hand.

I can see how you didn't get the link but CT posted something about the spurious link between being bad at spelling and being creative. The fact he isn't bad at spelling and simply uses correctly spelt words in wrong context seemingly being lost on him. Left-handed people were supposedly more creative too (or did I just make that up?). Anyway, I think this work colleague of yours may be made up or perhaps embellished somewhat. That story didn't quite ring true like, especially the "I'm living it" bit. Maybe it's all true and he's a cockring or maybe you've missed your vocation and should be writing sit-coms.

[sammynb 3368]

KSA, you're not left-handed and bad at spelling are you?

 

Spill the beans Alex, you're operating above my pay-grade here.

 

I can spell complex words like lugubrious, I'm not that bad. I use spoons with my left hand.

maybe you've missed your vocation and should be writing sit-coms.

 

The new remake of Love Thy Neighbour perhaps?

[ChezGiven 0]

KSA, you're not left-handed and bad at spelling are you?

 

Spill the beans Alex, you're operating above my pay-grade here.

 

I can spell complex words like lugubrious, I'm not that bad. I use spoons with my left hand.

I can see how you didn't get the link but CT posted something about the spurious link between being bad at spelling and being creative. The fact he isn't bad at spelling and simply uses correctly spelt words in wrong context seemingly being lost on him. Left-handed people were supposedly more creative too (or did I just make that up?). Anyway, I think this work colleague of yours may be made up or perhaps embellished somewhat. That story didn't quite ring true like, especially the "I'm living it" bit. Maybe it's all true and he's a cockring or maybe you've missed your vocation and should be writing sit-coms.

Basically why i asked.

[Park Life 71]

@ Chez

 

Just a guy a work, conspiracy theorist. He got sacked from the civil service because he tried to instigate a strike/riot. He smokes a lot of weed. He also wants to get a mail-order bride now. I was reading 1984 at work and he said, 'yeah man, that Orwell was ahead of his time man'. I asked him if he'd read 1984, to which he replied, 'I don't need to mate, I'M LIVING IT' He said this pointing his fingers to his temples like De Niro in Taxi Driver after he's massacred the pimps. He'll probably go postal one day.

 

Just reminded me, the last time I spoke to him at lunch I asked him about Bin Laden being killed and if he thought Bin Laden ever existed. He said he read a document that said Bin Laden was really a guy called Tim Osmond who worked for the CIA He's basically Parky but younger, and not as intelligent/likable.

 

There's a lot of them about. Thanks for the kind rejoinder.

[Park Life 71]

Think it was the step daughter (adopted by Mia Farrow) iirc.

 

What was the name again...Ho chi Minge I think.

[sammynb 3368]

Think it was the step daughter (adopted by Mia Farrow) iirc.

 

What was the name again...Ho chi Minge I think.

 

No step about it, Farrow's adopted daughter, that he basically raised for the duration of the 12 year relationship!

All to Oedipus Rex tbh.

Edited May 12, 2011 by sammynb

[sammynb 3368]

From wikipedia.

 

Allen and Farrow's biological son, Ronan Farrow, said of Allen: "He's my father married to my sister. That makes me his son and his brother-in-law. That is such a moral transgression."

[Happy Face 29]

Think it was the step daughter (adopted by Mia Farrow) iirc.

 

What was the name again...Ho chi Minge I think.

 

Nope, they were never Married.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

KSA, you're not left-handed and bad at spelling are you?

 

Spill the beans Alex, you're operating above my pay-grade here.

 

I can spell complex words like lugubrious, I'm not that bad. I use spoons with my left hand.

Anyway, I think this work colleague of yours may be made up or perhaps embellished somewhat. That story didn't quite ring true like, especially the "I'm living it" bit. Maybe it's all true and he's a cockring or maybe you've missed your vocation and should be writing sit-coms.

Basically why i asked.

 

I swear to you, that, "I don't need to [read it], I'm living it," is verbatim.

 

He started going on about conspiracies all the time, so early on I asked him if there were any conspiracy theories he didn't believe, listing through all the ones I could think of. The only one he didn't go for was the David Icke lizard stuff. He complains about young english women and how stupid they are, he's quite a misogynist, and one time at lunch a woman in the kitchen staff overheard him and absolutely laid into him, proper character assassination, was funny as fuck. I make sure to chat to him often because he's good value for funny stories.

 

*edit - He also went down to some of the student riots, one at liverpool and also one recently against the monarchy or something, in light of the royal wedding. There's probably loads of people like him at those things.

Edited May 12, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt

[Park Life 71]

KSA, you're not left-handed and bad at spelling are you?

 

Spill the beans Alex, you're operating above my pay-grade here.

 

I can spell complex words like lugubrious, I'm not that bad. I use spoons with my left hand.

Anyway, I think this work colleague of yours may be made up or perhaps embellished somewhat. That story didn't quite ring true like, especially the "I'm living it" bit. Maybe it's all true and he's a cockring or maybe you've missed your vocation and should be writing sit-coms.

Basically why i asked.

 

I swear to you, that, "I don't need to [read it], I'm living it," is verbatim.

 

He started going on about conspiracies all the time, so early on I asked him if there were any conspiracy theories he didn't believe, listing through all the ones I could think of. The only one he didn't go for was the David Icke lizard stuff. He complains about young english women and how stupid they are, he's quite a misogynist, and one time at lunch a woman in the kitchen staff overheard him and absolutely laid into him, proper character assassination, was funny as fuck. I make sure to chat to him often because he's good value for funny stories.

 

*edit - He also went down to some of the student riots, one at liverpool and also one recently against the monarchy or something, in light of the royal wedding. There's probably loads of people like him at those things.

 

Well women are fucking up the planet with all those pairs of shoes (with no thought to the carbon footprint) and clothes made in Chinese prisons, never mind their irrational belief in harbouring small rat like dogs and drinking the foulest of white Italian plonk. I have come to realise that women are a serious danger to any society.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Like I said, he's like Parky

[Billy Whitehurst 898]

As someone mentioned, Orwell wrote more than one good book. 'Down and out in Paris and London' and 'Homage to Catalonia' are both brilliant. I also love 'Coming up for air' and 'Keep the aspidistra flying', he seems to have a real understanding of human nature.

 

I think I read somewhere that he was once taught by Huxley but that he was more influenced by Zamatin 'We' (which I found hard work') than BNW.

 

I just can't get into Huxley's stuff as easily as I can Orwell's.

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Huxley briefly taught Orwell French at Eton I recall. I heard that they corresponded in later years, might have been close to Orwell's death. Shame he had such lousy health as he was a good egg, but his lifestyle brought it on, and also getting shot in the throat in Spain by a fascist didn't help.