Park Life 71 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 cartoon is excellent but doesnt explain the underlying issues in both books, content merely to paraphrase. between bnw and 1984 my favourite is 1984. that is not to say that bnw is not without merit. please excuse my ramblings. ive been on the pish since 1. p.s. in answer to parky's question earlier, weve been airstrip 1 since 1942. “The lowest strata are reproducing too fast. Therefore… they must not have too easy access to relief or hospital treatment lest the removal of the last check on natural selection should make it too easy for children to be produced or to survive; long unemployment should be a ground for sterilisation.” - Julian Huxley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentAxeman 199 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 cartoon is excellent but doesnt explain the underlying issues in both books, content merely to paraphrase. between bnw and 1984 my favourite is 1984. that is not to say that bnw is not without merit. please excuse my ramblings. ive been on the pish since 1. p.s. in answer to parky's question earlier, weve been airstrip 1 since 1942. “The lowest strata are reproducing too fast. Therefore… they must not have too easy access to relief or hospital treatment lest the removal of the last check on natural selection should make it too easy for children to be produced or to survive; long unemployment should be a ground for sterilisation.” - Julian Huxley haha!! the man sure does talk some sense. ....it'll never happen tho.................. unfortunately................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 There's that comparison between Huxley and Orwell that frequently does the rounds on the internet which contends that Huxley was right, although it's so long since I've read either 1984 or Brave New World that I'm not sure how tenuously either are being paraphrased to illustrate that point. Either way, Orwell wrote more than one decent book. I've found everything else by Huxley pretty hard going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Was the cartoon strip produced before the war on whistleblowers started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 On a slightly related note, A Clockwork Orange gets a remastered launch at Cannes tomorrow. Blue Ray version will be made available in a couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Got an email about some one-off screenings of that although I thought going down to Brunel University was a bit of a trek (a few scenes were filmed there apparently). I've never actually seen it though, although I've read the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 On a slightly related note, A Clockwork Orange gets a remastered launch at Cannes tomorrow. Blue Ray version will be made available in a couple of weeks. You have to love how Krubrick refused to let it be released to video but the moment he's dead it's on DVD and then remastered and on blu-ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Got an email about some one-off screenings of that although I thought going down to Brunel University was a bit of a trek (a few scenes were filmed there apparently). I've never actually seen it though, although I've read the book. The movie is a lot easier than the book. It would be worth the effort Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Got an email about some one-off screenings of that although I thought going down to Brunel University was a bit of a trek (a few scenes were filmed there apparently). I've never actually seen it though, although I've read the book. The movie is a lot easier than the book. It would be worth the effort Alex. Just never gotten round to seeing it. I loved the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Got an email about some one-off screenings of that although I thought going down to Brunel University was a bit of a trek (a few scenes were filmed there apparently). I've never actually seen it though, although I've read the book. Unique amongst Kubrick films in that the book's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Got an email about some one-off screenings of that although I thought going down to Brunel University was a bit of a trek (a few scenes were filmed there apparently). I've never actually seen it though, although I've read the book. Unique amongst Kubrick films in that the book's better. I reckon Lolitta is a better book than film. Edited May 12, 2011 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Got an email about some one-off screenings of that although I thought going down to Brunel University was a bit of a trek (a few scenes were filmed there apparently). I've never actually seen it though, although I've read the book. Unique amongst Kubrick films in that the book's better. I reckon Lolitta is a better book than film. Any imagery of the story in my head comes from the film. Normally if I read the book first (as I did with Lolita) I expect to retain those pictures in my head more. Been a while and I watched it pretty much straight after reading though. Not read 2001 like...i just assume, Parky style, on that one Edited May 12, 2011 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Got an email about some one-off screenings of that although I thought going down to Brunel University was a bit of a trek (a few scenes were filmed there apparently). I've never actually seen it though, although I've read the book. Unique amongst Kubrick films in that the book's better. I reckon Lolitta is a better book than film. Any imagery of the story in my head comes from the film. Normally if I read the book first (as I did with Lolita) I expect to retain those pictures in my head more. Been a while and I watched it pretty much straight after reading though. Not read 2001 like...i just assume, Parky style, on that one 2001 is a great book as well. It's a weird one anyway though in the respect it was borne out of the collaboration between Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke and came out about the same time, rather than being your typical adaptation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Got an email about some one-off screenings of that although I thought going down to Brunel University was a bit of a trek (a few scenes were filmed there apparently). I've never actually seen it though, although I've read the book. Unique amongst Kubrick films in that the book's better. I reckon Lolitta is a better book than film. Any imagery of the story in my head comes from the film. Normally if I read the book first (as I did with Lolita) I expect to retain those pictures in my head more. Been a while and I watched it pretty much straight after reading though. Not read 2001 like...i just assume, Parky style, on that one You tinker. Agree with Alex about Lolita. Just re-reading 'Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy'. Excellent stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I've only read The Spy Who Came in From the Cold by him but it's quality. Did you ever read any of the Len Deighton / Harry Palmer (except you don't know his name in the books) novels btw? I wouldn't bother with Billion Dollar Brain and Horse Under Water is decent but not great but The IPCRESS File and Funeral In Berlin are great. Especially the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 What a tinker. FYP It's my nephew's new favourite saying. He likes to do something naughty and laugh it off with that catchphrase. He's gonna be the next David Walliams tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I've only read The Spy Who Came in From the Cold by him but it's quality. Did you ever read any of the Len Deighton / Harry Palmer (except you don't know his name in the books) novels btw? I wouldn't bother with Billion Dollar Brain and Horse Under Water is decent but not great but The IPCRESS File and Funeral In Berlin are great. Especially the latter. I was recommended FIB by another recently. Might keep an eye out for it. Have Ipcress in my film collection. Mrs P doesn't understand why there are so many chuckles in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 What a tinker. FYP It's my nephew's new favourite saying. He likes to do something naughty and laugh it off with that catchphrase. He's gonna be the next David Walliams tbh What do you fancy at Cannes this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Orwell did write about a never ending war - similar to the never ending war on terror. It's more applicable to somewhere like North Korea, which is exactly the kind of regime (Stalinist) Orwell was trying to encapsulate with 1984. North Korea is the most militarized country in the world today,[6] having the fourth largest army in the world, at about 1,106,000 armed personnel, with about 20% of men ages 17–54 in the regular armed forces.[7] Military service of up to 10 years is mandatory for most males. It also has a reserve force comprising 8,200,000 personnel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army They have regular hate marches chanting death to the U.S. and so on. The regime talks of a horrific past, salvation by the Eternal leader--Kim Sung Il; North Korea is the only nation ruled by a dead man I can think of--and a prosperous future. This is whilst millions have starved to death in the present (famine in the 90s in NK's case), as the regime has spent all its capita on attempts to develop nuclear weapons and the military. Apparently leaders of certain totalitarian regimes got hold of copies of 1984 and were amazed that a man who had not lived under such a regime could have captured them so accurately. Edited May 12, 2011 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 What a tinker. FYP It's my nephew's new favourite saying. He likes to do something naughty and laugh it off with that catchphrase. He's gonna be the next David Walliams tbh What do you fancy at Cannes this year? Dunno about cannes. No idea what's on. Was surprised to hear Mark Kermode review the new Takeshi Miike film on 5 live last week though. 13 Assassins. getting quality reviews all over.... "13 Assassins is classic genre material given a brisk rub-down – and achieved, as promised, with magnificence." http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertai...15-2280713.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 What a tinker. FYP It's my nephew's new favourite saying. He likes to do something naughty and laugh it off with that catchphrase. He's gonna be the next David Walliams tbh What do you fancy at Cannes this year? Dunno about cannes. No idea what's on. The new Woody Allen is getting a lot of coverage. The new Almodovar with Antonio Banderas and some British flick about a kid called Kevin also on lots of ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I don't like Woody Allen. I just don't get the whole marrying a 12 year old Asian chick deal. I saw that film he did about a fictitious jazz guitarist which I liked, but I still don't trust him. He makes all these films as well where he gets to grope attractive young women, I don't go for that. Having boinked a 25 year old asian who has the mental age of a 12 year old, I know that there's just no way that that is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I don't like Woody Allen. I just don't get the whole marrying a 12 year old Asian chick deal. I saw that film he did about a fictitious jazz guitarist which I liked, but I still don't trust him. He makes all these films as well where he gets to grope attractive young women, I don't go for that. Having boinked a 25 year old asian who has the mental age of a 12 year old, I know that there's just no way that that is right. What else is filmaking for? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3640 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Orwell did write about a never ending war - similar to the never ending war on terror. It's more applicable to somewhere like North Korea, which is exactly the kind of regime (Stalinist) Orwell was trying to encapsulate with 1984. North Korea is the most militarized country in the world today,[6] having the fourth largest army in the world, at about 1,106,000 armed personnel, with about 20% of men ages 17–54 in the regular armed forces.[7] Military service of up to 10 years is mandatory for most males. It also has a reserve force comprising 8,200,000 personnel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army They have regular hate marches chanting death to the U.S. and so on. The regime talks of a horrific past, salvation by the Eternal leader--Kim Sung Il; North Korea is the only nation ruled by a dead man I can think of--and a prosperous future. This is whilst millions have starved to death in the present (famine in the 90s in NK's case), as the regime has spent all its capita on attempts to develop nuclear weapons and the military. Apparently leaders of certain totalitarian regimes got hold of copies of 1984 and were amazed that a man who had not lived under such a regime could have captured them so accurately. I think you need to re-read Nineteen Eighty Four as it's closer to 21st century US/UK than Stalin USSR as you're claiming. While you're there read Dick's Galactic Pot-Healer while you're at it and Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Cat's Cradle is genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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