Kenny Dalglish

[McFaul 35]

There was a few of the older lads on another thread agreeing with my assertion that he is the worst thing that has happened to Newcastle in the last 50 years. He is. He ruined one of the biggest clubs in Europe in about 18 months, don't laugh at that we WERE one of the biggest clubs in Europe on a few different levels. I remember Hagi and Stoichkov saying that they respected us and wanted to sign for us at the time, we were the FIFTH richest club in the world, and that bastard just took us apart. I don't even need to list who he got rid of and who he replaced them with, you all know.

 

It took us years to get over his dismantling of the club, and Shepherd can not be blamed for his appointment, because lets be honest nearly everyone at the time thought it was the right move for loads of reasons. Not least he'd won a lot, plus his top relationship with Shearer. In one season he managed to half the goals tally we'd scored, and before anyone says he was unlucky with injuries, we still should've had enough and he invested in Andersson during the season, he was a joke. Gullit was blameless in my eyes, was a car crash when that poor cunt came in, and only someone like SBR could've done the salvage operation he did.

 

To add insult to injury after fucking our fantastic club up, and that's what we were, every cunt wanted to sign for us, I mean we were like trying to get SAF at the time and with straight faces, Dalglish got THREE MILLION in compensation. Disgrace of a man.

 

His latest antagonistic comments today ""I'm sure when Newcastle signed Alan Shearer they didn't give too much consideration to Blackburn Rovers fans, but that's football. What goes around comes around."

 

Fuckin cheeky bastard. What goes around comes around. Is that antagonistic or not? This is the first time we've faced him since 1998 when he left, and I wish I was going to Anfield, I hope the toon fans respect Carroll, they won't, and give this twat who was a disease in our club pelters.

[Tooj 17]

For me the moment Carroll handed in a transfer request, he lost any right to be shown respect from our fans.

 

Agree about Dalglish though.

[Brock Manson 0]

Inherited a team that was the antithesis of the kind of football he plays and so disbanded it. My favourite players were Sir Les and Ginola, absolutely loved to watch them play when I was a kid and it broke my heart when they both left for fucking Spurs. Spurs!

 

Cracking record as a manager but he wasn't the right one for the club. Sold the best players and didn't replace them effectively enough. I don't think he's the worst manager we've ever had; that 'special' praise has to be reserved for Souness. Robson had finally got the club on the right track again after the Dalglish era only for it all to be destroyed and begin a slide down the league and prestige ladder that we still are suffering dearly from.

[McFaul 35]

Inherited a team that was the antithesis of the kind of football he plays and so disbanded it. My favourite players were Sir Les and Ginola, absolutely loved to watch them play when I was a kid and it broke my heart when they both left for fucking Spurs. Spurs!

 

Cracking record as a manager but he wasn't the right one for the club. Sold the best players and didn't replace them effectively enough. I don't think he's the worst manager we've ever had; that 'special' praise has to be reserved for Souness. Robson had finally got the club on the right track again after the Dalglish era only for it all to be destroyed and begin a slide down the league and prestige ladder that we still are suffering dearly from.

Understatement of the century. He is THE worst manager we've ever had, it would be impossible for even Souness to have made a bigger mess of it than he did. As I said he did more damage to NUFC from where we were than Souness, Ashley and Allardyce put together.

[ChezGiven 0]

I agree he was awful for us and his career never recovered, until now that is. How come he seems to have done so well since he took over at Liverpool? They've had the odd wobble but keep getting the results.

 

As for Carroll, am 100% convinced that his head was turned by the new agent that was appointed at the end of 2010. Yes, it was up to him but even if he was on 30k per week, can you imagine a trained salesman, specialising in selling greed to young impressionable men is constantly in your ear about you being worth 90k per week (or whatever the figures are). Easy to see how his head could be turned. Its the agents who the villains in this story imo, not Carroll.

[McFaul 35]

I agree he was awful for us and his career never recovered, until now that is. How come he seems to have done so well since he took over at Liverpool? They've had the odd wobble but keep getting the results.

 

As for Carroll, am 100% convinced that his head was turned by the new agent that was appointed at the end of 2010. Yes, it was up to him but even if he was on 30k per week, can you imagine a trained salesman, specialising in selling greed to young impressionable men is constantly in your ear about you being worth 90k per week (or whatever the figures are). Easy to see how his head could be turned. Its the agents who the villains in this story imo, not Carroll.

Completely agree, Carroll is blameless almost in this, I've had this row with loads of people, I mean fucking hell the helicopter engine was already running, there's no way the club did enough to keep him, they wanted the money and any idiot should be able to see through Pardew's propaganda every time the subject is breached.

 

I hope Dalglish gets more abuse than Michael Owen though.

[Ollie Burtons Grandad 0]

Dalglish is a total cunt, he fucked us over and fucked off. £3m for being utter shite, bastard. AC fucked off as he was offered a shitload of money and was / is a greedy bastard; FCB wanted the £35M, ACs agent wanted his 10% simple really.

 

Hope Dalglish falls down the stairs and snaps his neck.Twat.

[ChezGiven 0]

You can take so many points of view on what happened, with the agent in one ear chivvying Carroll along and Liverpool's owners ramping up the millions to extraordinary levels, you can see why it had to happen in the end.

 

To take Jonny's pov on too, despite the agent pressure and the money causing Ashley to slaver buckets, Carroll could still have said no. However, i am convinced he was under loads of pressure from the agents who saw Abramovich's £50m coming into the market and wanted to get their portion. That money wasnt 'football' money, it wasnt generated by Chelsea and formed part of the football economy, this was an additional capital injection into the football economy and as such, agents would have been desperate to take their cut of the new money.

[Asprilla 96]

Interesting thread. He certainly took the wind out of our sails. I always thought Gullit deserved a lot more praise for not taking a pay out. Held his hands up and went.

 

10 times the man Souness or Allardyce will ever be IMO.

[NJS 4411]

Inherited a team that was the antithesis of the kind of football he plays and so disbanded it.

 

Funny thing was as I said in reply to that Scouser, his first team at Liverpool when Beardsley and Barnes were at their best was a fantastic football team - I think it was only after he'd gone to Blackburn that he became a football murderer.

 

His rejection of Beardsley was his biggest mistake in my view.

[Gene_Clark 12]

I'm a big fan of The Fall & I liked how Dalglish looked like Mark E Smith

[Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1]

Don't mind Gullitt for the aforementioned refusal of a payout. He knew he'd fucked up, and bowed out with relative grace when compared to the greed-fueled characters who currently occupy the game. You won't see that sort of thing often.

[Barney 0]

Don't mind Gullitt for the aforementioned refusal of a payout. He knew he'd fucked up, and bowed out with relative grace when compared to the greed-fueled characters who currently occupy the game. You won't see that sort of thing often.

 

The fucking carry-on with Rob Lee was a bit of a disgrace though. All to make a point to Shearer.

 

However, I can appreciate that he didn't particularly rate Shearer and found it hard to work with a player who was bigger than the manager/team.

[Giraffidae 0]

a cup final and CL put some rose coloured specs on it at the time, but he ruined a great NUFC team.

 

the way he had us playing was as though the daft twat hadn’t yet accepted the back pass rule,

 

that rule change —1992 — it seemed as though it was brought in for us and KK.

[Tooj 17]

I agree he was awful for us and his career never recovered, until now that is. How come he seems to have done so well since he took over at Liverpool? They've had the odd wobble but keep getting the results.

 

As for Carroll, am 100% convinced that his head was turned by the new agent that was appointed at the end of 2010. Yes, it was up to him but even if he was on 30k per week, can you imagine a trained salesman, specialising in selling greed to young impressionable men is constantly in your ear about you being worth 90k per week (or whatever the figures are). Easy to see how his head could be turned. Its the agents who the villains in this story imo, not Carroll.

Completely agree, Carroll is blameless almost in this, I've had this row with loads of people, I mean fucking hell the helicopter engine was already running, there's no way the club did enough to keep him, they wanted the money and any idiot should be able to see through Pardew's propaganda every time the subject is breached.

 

I hope Dalglish gets more abuse than Michael Owen though.

Then why did he hand in a transfer request?

[Gene_Clark 12]

Carroll & Dalglish seem to be good pals; it's nice to see that they can put enmity behind them.

[Tom 14013]

Exactly - He wanted to go. Just look at his face as he was entering the Liverpool training ground. He was over the moon so for me he's as bad as anyone. Ashley wanted the money but so did Carroll.

[McFaul 35]

I agree he was awful for us and his career never recovered, until now that is. How come he seems to have done so well since he took over at Liverpool? They've had the odd wobble but keep getting the results.

 

As for Carroll, am 100% convinced that his head was turned by the new agent that was appointed at the end of 2010. Yes, it was up to him but even if he was on 30k per week, can you imagine a trained salesman, specialising in selling greed to young impressionable men is constantly in your ear about you being worth 90k per week (or whatever the figures are). Easy to see how his head could be turned. Its the agents who the villains in this story imo, not Carroll.

Completely agree, Carroll is blameless almost in this, I've had this row with loads of people, I mean fucking hell the helicopter engine was already running, there's no way the club did enough to keep him, they wanted the money and any idiot should be able to see through Pardew's propaganda every time the subject is breached.

 

I hope Dalglish gets more abuse than Michael Owen though.

Then why did he hand in a transfer request?

As Chez has explained he was put in an impossible position. He went to great lengths to tell the Chronicle and Steve Wraith that his hand was being forced, coupled with the fact he's a young hugely impressionable lad, arguably with a low IQ, his agents in his ear, the club aren't playing ball, they have a helicopter waiting for him, I wouldn't feel wanted neither. The club had the transfer request written ready for him to sign, I firmly believe that. The contradictions in story during the day even from David Craig being fed bollocks should've shown you what was going on, and regardless what you believe this quote by the idiot that is Llambias 6 weeks after the transfer deadline was closed and Carroll was gone should tell you everything....

 

“The very reason we got as much as £35m [for Andy Carroll] is because we concluded the deal on deadline day. Liverpool wanted him but we wanted our price and they had to pay it."

 

An admittance that the objective throughout the month was to sell him. Not wanted, helicopter waiting, thick, agent in his lug, upset, no room to negotiate, and I believe genuinely wanted to stay, but was forced in to a corner where there was only one solution.

[sniffer 0]

As we are clearly a farm club for the big lads, this is going to be the norm until we get an owner that actually wants to win.

 

Not much point in anybody getting their knickers in a twist. Nobody at the club is.

[Phil 6]

I agree he was awful for us and his career never recovered, until now that is. How come he seems to have done so well since he took over at Liverpool? They've had the odd wobble but keep getting the results.

 

As for Carroll, am 100% convinced that his head was turned by the new agent that was appointed at the end of 2010. Yes, it was up to him but even if he was on 30k per week, can you imagine a trained salesman, specialising in selling greed to young impressionable men is constantly in your ear about you being worth 90k per week (or whatever the figures are). Easy to see how his head could be turned. Its the agents who the villains in this story imo, not Carroll.

Completely agree, Carroll is blameless almost in this, I've had this row with loads of people, I mean fucking hell the helicopter engine was already running, there's no way the club did enough to keep him, they wanted the money and any idiot should be able to see through Pardew's propaganda every time the subject is breached.

 

I hope Dalglish gets more abuse than Michael Owen though.

Then why did he hand in a transfer request?

As Chez has explained he was put in an impossible position. He went to great lengths to tell the Chronicle and Steve Wraith that his hand was being forced, coupled with the fact he's a young hugely impressionable lad, arguably with a low IQ, his agents in his ear, the club aren't playing ball, they have a helicopter waiting for him, I wouldn't feel wanted neither. The club had the transfer request written ready for him to sign, I firmly believe that. The contradictions in story during the day even from David Craig being fed bollocks should've shown you what was going on, and regardless what you believe this quote by the idiot that is Llambias 6 weeks after the transfer deadline was closed and Carroll was gone should tell you everything....

 

“The very reason we got as much as £35m [for Andy Carroll] is because we concluded the deal on deadline day. Liverpool wanted him but we wanted our price and they had to pay it."

 

An admittance that the objective throughout the month was to sell him. Not wanted, helicopter waiting, thick, agent in his lug, upset, no room to negotiate, and I believe genuinely wanted to stay, but was forced in to a corner where there was only one solution.

 

 

None of what you said explains why he handed in a transfer request. Something that is very important as it waivers his loyalty bonus - usually around 10% of his salary for the entire length of his contract.

[NJS 4411]

None of what you said explains why he handed in a transfer request. Something that is very important as it waivers his loyalty bonus - usually around 10% of his salary for the entire length of his contract.

 

I assumed they paid him said bonus in return for what they saw as the PR worth of the request.

[Howmanheyman 33928]

I'm not Dalglish's biggest fan either but wonder if his hand was forced in some of the sales as we'd went plc and money was needed? He did sign Speed, Given and Nobby despite the dodgy other signings. Wrong man at the wrong club at the wrong time. The Hall's had no real interest in us after we went plc. Anyway, shit or not he's far better than Souness, who was a fucking chancer extraordinaire.

[LeazesMag 0]

I'm not Dalglish's biggest fan either but wonder if his hand was forced in some of the sales as we'd went plc and money was needed? He did sign Speed, Given and Nobby despite the dodgy other signings. Wrong man at the wrong club at the wrong time. The Hall's had no real interest in us after we went plc. Anyway, shit or not he's far better than Souness, who was a fucking chancer extraordinaire.

 

thats about right. I've no feelings about Dalglish good or bad other than on paper he looked almost the perfect appointment [apart from Alex Ferguson] but it just all went wrong.

[Howmanheyman 33928]

I thought he'd do a good job and tweak the side a bit but, well, we know the rest. There was no transfer window when Les was sold and Shearer injured, why didn't we sign someone other than Barnes and Rush? How much did Pierce cost? all fuck all iirc.

[Marko 0]

I agree with Stevie for the most, and his comments about what goes around comes around are pretty cuntish.

 

That said though I think Souness was the worst manager we've had at the club in recent times.