Happiest fans

[ChezGiven 0]

Lets put this happiness on scale of 0 to 1. With 1 being the happiest and 0 being the unhappiest. As Birmingham got twatted 5-0 at Anfield this weekend, where were they on the happiness scale? Near 1 because they won the Carling Cup or near 0 because they'd just been utterly tanked and reminded of the exact nature and quality of the squad?

 

Your idea Nick is coherent for the days and possibly weeks following the victory. Let me demonstrate why you are talking through you cake-hole mathematically though.

 

The average happiness level of the Birmingham fan will be determined by their average performance over a season. Lets say for 345 days, their score is 0.5. Man U fans as they win all the time have a score of 0.8. In the 20 days that follow the Carling Cup, the Birmingham fans are at 1. In the 20 days following the CL win, Man U fans are at 0.9.

 

As you correctly say, the spike in happiness is bigger for the Birmingham fan, they double their normal happiness, whereas Man U only add 12.5% to their happiness. Add the scores up over the season (345 x 0.5 + 20 x 1 < 345 x 0.8 + 20 x 0.9) and Man U fans have a bigger happiness score. The elation may be bigger after and unexpected victory but the general happiness level will be lower for the poorer performing club. A bit like cheap pills, the buzz may be higher but you've still got to comedown.

[Kitman 2207]

And you say no one else here agrees with me???

 

I think that's a bit strong actually. I think no one else gives a fuck

[Kitman 2207]

And you say no one else here agrees with me???

 

I think that's a bit strong actually. I think no one else gives a fuck

 

I take it back. No one else but Chez gives a fuck

[ChezGiven 0]

And you say no one else here agrees with me???

 

I think that's a bit strong actually. I think no one else gives a fuck

 

I take it back. No one else but Chez gives a fuck

Measuring quality of life / utility / happiness is part of my job. I also had an overwhelming desire to make him pipe down for some reason.

[Irrelevant Nick KP 0]

Lets put this happiness on scale of 0 to 1. With 1 being the happiest and 0 being the unhappiest. As Birmingham got twatted 5-0 at Anfield this weekend, where were they on the happiness scale? Near 1 because they won the Carling Cup or near 0 because they'd just been utterly tanked and reminded of the exact nature and quality of the squad?

 

Your idea Nick is coherent for the days and possibly weeks following the victory. Let me demonstrate why you are talking through you cake-hole mathematically though.

 

The average happiness level of the Birmingham fan will be determined by their average performance over a season. Lets say for 345 days, their score is 0.5. Man U fans as they win all the time have a score of 0.8. In the 20 days that follow the Carling Cup, the Birmingham fans are at 1. In the 20 days following the CL win, Man U fans are at 0.9.

 

As you correctly say, the spike in happiness is bigger for the Birmingham fan, they double their normal happiness, whereas Man U only add 12.5% to their happiness. Add the scores up over the season (345 x 0.5 + 20 x 1 < 345 x 0.8 + 20 x 0.9) and Man U fans have a bigger happiness score. The elation may be bigger after and unexpected victory but the general happiness level will be lower for the poorer performing club. A bit like cheap pills, the buzz may be higher but you've still got to comedown.

Well, you are perfectly welcome to think Man U's constant wins mean they are 80% happy every week.

If Birmingham stay up, it will give them another burst of happiness, but of course we don't take that into account do we.

 

Whether I was a Man U fan, or a Torquay fan, I'd always be happy whenever my team exceeded expectations (in Man U's case that can only mean winning the Champions League).

 

But in general, I'd feel very depressed if winning the Prem had become a humdrum experience.

That is why I'd rather support any other team than Chelsea or Man U, and, in a few years when City fans have become blasé, they too will be in that category.

I'll admit that City fans are on a high now because of the money.

But the Chelsea fans prove that this is a high which doesn't last many years.

[Gejon 2]

You know these forum issues that have recently cropped up? You haven't just randomly lost any posters have you?...

[ChezGiven 0]

Lets put this happiness on scale of 0 to 1. With 1 being the happiest and 0 being the unhappiest. As Birmingham got twatted 5-0 at Anfield this weekend, where were they on the happiness scale? Near 1 because they won the Carling Cup or near 0 because they'd just been utterly tanked and reminded of the exact nature and quality of the squad?

 

Your idea Nick is coherent for the days and possibly weeks following the victory. Let me demonstrate why you are talking through you cake-hole mathematically though.

 

The average happiness level of the Birmingham fan will be determined by their average performance over a season. Lets say for 345 days, their score is 0.5. Man U fans as they win all the time have a score of 0.8. In the 20 days that follow the Carling Cup, the Birmingham fans are at 1. In the 20 days following the CL win, Man U fans are at 0.9.

 

As you correctly say, the spike in happiness is bigger for the Birmingham fan, they double their normal happiness, whereas Man U only add 12.5% to their happiness. Add the scores up over the season (345 x 0.5 + 20 x 1 < 345 x 0.8 + 20 x 0.9) and Man U fans have a bigger happiness score. The elation may be bigger after and unexpected victory but the general happiness level will be lower for the poorer performing club. A bit like cheap pills, the buzz may be higher but you've still got to comedown.

Well, you are perfectly welcome to think Man U's constant wins mean they are 80% happy every week.

If Birmingham stay up, it will give them another burst of happiness, but of course we don't take that into account do we.

 

Whether I was a Man U fan, or a Torquay fan, I'd always be happy whenever my team exceeded expectations (in Man U's case that can only mean winning the Champions League).

 

But in general, I'd feel very depressed if winning the Prem had become a humdrum experience.

That is why I'd rather support any other team than Chelsea or Man U, and, in a few years when City fans have become blasé, they too will be in that category.

I'll admit that City fans are on a high now because of the money.

But the Chelsea fans prove that this is a high which doesn't last many years.

You really dont get it do you. A team can only exceed expectations once in a while. If they do it all the time, that change the expectations. So you can not by definition be happier all the time because of exceeding expecations as they will adjust. The whole premise of what you are saying falls apart right there.

 

Also, you have no idea about what really makes fans happy. In Manchester, the things that make Man U fans happy are bragging rights over City and Liverpool, based on their success. I expect when Man U beat Liverpool's 18 titles they will celebrate it harder than ever before. Have you been to Stamford Bridge to hear how the atmosphere and crowds have been declining since Abramovich took over? I think the idea about expectations is interesting but to not get that being at the top of the league all the time is the best place to be is unforgivably stupid.

[Happy Face 29]

Happiness is a cigar called Hamlet.

[Irrelevant Nick KP 0]

Lets put this happiness on scale of 0 to 1. With 1 being the happiest and 0 being the unhappiest. As Birmingham got twatted 5-0 at Anfield this weekend, where were they on the happiness scale? Near 1 because they won the Carling Cup or near 0 because they'd just been utterly tanked and reminded of the exact nature and quality of the squad?

 

Your idea Nick is coherent for the days and possibly weeks following the victory. Let me demonstrate why you are talking through you cake-hole mathematically though.

 

The average happiness level of the Birmingham fan will be determined by their average performance over a season. Lets say for 345 days, their score is 0.5. Man U fans as they win all the time have a score of 0.8. In the 20 days that follow the Carling Cup, the Birmingham fans are at 1. In the 20 days following the CL win, Man U fans are at 0.9.

 

As you correctly say, the spike in happiness is bigger for the Birmingham fan, they double their normal happiness, whereas Man U only add 12.5% to their happiness. Add the scores up over the season (345 x 0.5 + 20 x 1 < 345 x 0.8 + 20 x 0.9) and Man U fans have a bigger happiness score. The elation may be bigger after and unexpected victory but the general happiness level will be lower for the poorer performing club. A bit like cheap pills, the buzz may be higher but you've still got to comedown.

Well, you are perfectly welcome to think Man U's constant wins mean they are 80% happy every week.

If Birmingham stay up, it will give them another burst of happiness, but of course we don't take that into account do we.

 

Whether I was a Man U fan, or a Torquay fan, I'd always be happy whenever my team exceeded expectations (in Man U's case that can only mean winning the Champions League).

 

But in general, I'd feel very depressed if winning the Prem had become a humdrum experience.

That is why I'd rather support any other team than Chelsea or Man U, and, in a few years when City fans have become blasé, they too will be in that category.

I'll admit that City fans are on a high now because of the money.

But the Chelsea fans prove that this is a high which doesn't last many years.

You really dont get it do you. A team can only exceed expectations once in a while. If they do it all the time, that change the expectations. So you can not by definition be happier all the time because of exceeding expecations as they will adjust. The whole premise of what you are saying falls apart right there.

 

Also, you have no idea about what really makes fans happy. In Manchester, the things that make Man U fans happy are bragging rights over City and Liverpool, based on their success. I expect when Man U beat Liverpool's 18 titles they will celebrate it harder than ever before. Have you been to Stamford Bridge to hear how the atmosphere and crowds have been declining since Abramovich took over? I think the idea about expectations is interesting but to not get that being at the top of the league all the time is the best place to be is unforgivably stupid.

I've highlighted the part I'm addressing. That's exactly my whole point! You've gone round the world and come back where you started In football you cannot be happy all the time. No matter who you support, you'll have good times and bad times, Birmingham as well as Man U. Which brings us back to my own point. In football you cannot buy happiness!!! Abramovicz has had to learn that lesson the hard way, as Chelsea fans glumly win Cups and nonchalantly win leagues.

[Irrelevant Nick KP 0]

You really dont get it do you. A team can only exceed expectations once in a while. If they do it all the time, that change the expectations. So you can not by definition be happier all the time because of exceeding expecations as they will adjust. The whole premise of what you are saying falls apart right there. [/b]

 

Also, you have no idea about what really makes fans happy. In Manchester, the things that make Man U fans happy are bragging rights over City and Liverpool, based on their success. I expect when Man U beat Liverpool's 18 titles they will celebrate it harder than ever before. Have you been to Stamford Bridge to hear how the atmosphere and crowds have been declining since Abramovich took over? I think the idea about expectations is interesting but to not get that being at the top of the league all the time is the best place to be is unforgivably stupid.

I've highlighted the part I'm addressing. That's exactly my whole point! You've gone round the world and come back where you started In football you cannot be happy all the time. No matter who you support, you'll have good times and bad times, Birmingham as well as Man U. Which brings us back to my own point. In football you cannot buy happiness!!! Abramovicz has had to learn that lesson the hard way, as Chelsea fans glumly win Cups and nonchalantly win leagues.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Nick-Kielce-Poland

[Gejon 2]

Happiness is a cigar called Hamlet.

 

Just ask Monica Lewinsky.

[ChezGiven 0]

You really dont get it do you. A team can only exceed expectations once in a while. If they do it all the time, that change the expectations. So you can not by definition be happier all the time because of exceeding expecations as they will adjust. The whole premise of what you are saying falls apart right there. [/b]

 

Also, you have no idea about what really makes fans happy. In Manchester, the things that make Man U fans happy are bragging rights over City and Liverpool, based on their success. I expect when Man U beat Liverpool's 18 titles they will celebrate it harder than ever before. Have you been to Stamford Bridge to hear how the atmosphere and crowds have been declining since Abramovich took over? I think the idea about expectations is interesting but to not get that being at the top of the league all the time is the best place to be is unforgivably stupid.

I've highlighted the part I'm addressing. That's exactly my whole point! You've gone round the world and come back where you started In football you cannot be happy all the time. No matter who you support, you'll have good times and bad times, Birmingham as well as Man U. Which brings us back to my own point. In football you cannot buy happiness!!! Abramovicz has had to learn that lesson the hard way, as Chelsea fans glumly win Cups and nonchalantly win leagues.

At the start of this season, people expected us to be at the bottom of the league and would have happily taken mid-table. If we continue along the same trajectory, we will become accustomed to finishing mid-table and will receive the news of another mediocre finish more glumly than that of a fan of a club who has won the league again. If all expectations eventually become aligned to reality, the impact of expectations is the same no matter what team you are. Then, in your world, all fans are unhappy, with the least unhappy ones winning trophies. As already explained a mid-table or lower club who exceeds expectations will be momentarily happy but will by definition return to the mundanity of their mid-table status.

 

Anyway, all fans hate losing and it makes them unhappy. Teams that lose more frequently are more frequently unhappy. If you spend money and win more, you'll be happier more. The law of diminishing returns says that the value of winning decreases over time if you repeat it but thats about smaller marginal gains in happiness, not the absolute level.

[Irrelevant Nick KP 0]

ChezGiven, even if Man U fans are a little bit happy after winning the league (and they are only happy if they don't suffer too cruel an exit from the Champions League), you can't get away from the fact that most people seem to agree that Birmingham fans are happier when THEIR team reaches its full potential than Man U fans are when THEIR team reaches its full potential (according to most people who have voted on this poll, at least)

And what's more, I don't hear you denying it.

[ChezGiven 0]

ChezGiven, even if Man U fans are a little bit happy after winning the league (and they are only happy if they don't suffer too cruel an exit from the Champions League), you can't get away from the fact that most people seem to agree that Birmingham fans are happier when THEIR team reaches its full potential than Man U fans are when THEIR team reaches its full potential (according to most people who have voted on this poll, at least)

And what's more, I don't hear you denying it.

The point being that Man U reach their full potential all the time, Birmingham dont. The moment might have been better for the Brum fans but they only get one moment every 30 seasons, rather than great moments every season. You need to add them up, not look at one in isolation.

[Irrelevant Nick KP 0]

ChezGiven, Man United certainly do NOT reach their full potential all the time. They've won the Champions League 3 times in their entire history. Winning that competition is their full potential. And Man U fans should be very very glad indeed! If they won it as often as they won the Prem, they'd quite literally NEVER have any possibility to feel anything LIKE the amount of happiness felt by Brum fans when they won the Carling Cup.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Nick-Kielce-Poland

[Qwertyo 0]

Nick

 

I think you are 100% right.

 

I know quite a few ManU fans who stopped going when they won the treble in 1999 as they thought it couldn't ever get any better. The average ManU supporter now is fairly blase. A lot CBA going to the semi against City because they knew they would be back at Wembley in May against Barca or Real.

 

Whereas we get carried away with the slightest sniff of success. Remember the 5-1 v Sumlin. We were walking on air for weeks!

[ChezGiven 0]

So if birmingham get relegated and man u win the champions league, the brummies will be happier?

[Qwertyo 0]

So if birmingham get relegated and man u win the champions league, the brummies will be happier?

 

I don't think that was the original question.

[Irrelevant Nick KP 0]

ChezGiven, no, if Birmingham get relegated and Man U win the Champions League, then Man U fans will be happier.

But if Birmingham don't get relegated, and Man U win the Champions League, then Birmingham fans will be happier than Man U fans.

Owertyo, of course Man U fans have got blase. Anyone who has worked with one, and seen their mooted reaction to winning the league, knows that. To be honest, I don't blame the genuine Man U fans who have supported them since the 1980s. I believe they are victims of the money game.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Nick-Kielce-Poland

[Happy Face 29]

 

Dumb and dumber here.

[ChezGiven 0]

So if birmingham get relegated and man u win the champions league, the brummies will be happier?

 

I don't think that was the original question.

It was about the determinant of fan happiness, his admission that relegation is relevant means you can't look at the trophies in isolation, so the impossibly stupid hypothesis falls down.

[ChezGiven 0]

ChezGiven, no, if Birmingham get relegated and Man U win the Champions League, then Man U fans will be happier.

But if Birmingham don't get relegated, and Man U win the Champions League, then Birmingham fans will be happier than Man U fans.

Owertyo, of course Man U fans have got blase. Anyone who has worked with one, and seen their mooted reaction to winning the league, knows that. To be honest, I don't blame the genuine Man U fans who have supported them since the 1980s. I believe they are victims of the money game.

What evidence do you have for this 'muted' reaction to winning the league?

[Irrelevant Nick KP 0]

I've worked with Man U fans. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[ChezGiven 0]

Great evidence that has swung me round.

[Happy Face 29]

I've worked with Man U fans. I've seen it with my own eyes.

 

Were you watching the match at work?

 

If Newcastle won the Champions league I'd be a pissed up loon masturbating openly in the street.

 

Then I'd go to work and get on with my job.