Irrelevant Nick KP 0 Posted May 7, 2011 Author Share Posted May 7, 2011 Premier League matches 2010-2011 Hughton 1.19 points per match (16 league matches) Pardew 1.25 points per match (20 league matches) Very close. Pardew needs 2 more points in the last 2 matches to seal victory in this little battle (for what it's worth, this stat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Premier League matches 2010-2011 Hughton 1.19 points per match (16 league matches) Pardew 1.25 points per match (20 league matches) Very close. Pardew needs 2 more points in the last 2 matches to seal victory in this little battle (for what it's worth, this stat) Hughton doesn't really have much chance to stop him does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Irrelevant Nick KP 0 Posted May 15, 2011 Author Share Posted May 15, 2011 Premier League matches 2010-2011 Hughton 1.19 points per match (16 league matches) Pardew 1.24 points per match (21 league matches) Very close. Pardew needs 1 point in the match against WBA, to seal victory in this little battle (for what it's worth, this stat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4164 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Go boil your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Comparing like for like, of all the teams both managers played, Hughton did much better aainst the better teams. Out of the current top ten Hughton beat Arsenal away while Pardoo got a draw at home. He beat Everton on the road and Pardoo couldn't manage a point at home. He took a point off Fulham at home and Pardoo couldn't on the road. Even the better teams in the bottom half, Hughton faired better. 3 points each off the Mackems and Villa when Pardoo only managed a total of 1 point from both his games against them on the road. Pardew only managed to better Hughton by taking a point each off Man U and Bolton....both at home rather than away. Of the top 14 teams both managers played, Hughton took 14 points where Pardoo took 5. Where Pardoo has "improved" us is getting points off the bottm clubs. 11 points out of West Ham, Wigan, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn. Hughton had only managed to take 5 points from those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3523 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Where Pardoo has "improved" us is getting points off the bottm clubs. 11 points out of West Ham, Wigan, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn. Hughton had only managed to take 5 points from those teams. But is this not a reflection also of when we played these teams and the fact 2nd time round they had the added pressure of being relegation fodder? So therefore it renders the whole argument useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Nick KP 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 Where Pardoo has "improved" us is getting points off the bottm clubs. 11 points out of West Ham, Wigan, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn. Hughton had only managed to take 5 points from those teams. But is this not a reflection also of when we played these teams and the fact 2nd time round they had the added pressure of being relegation fodder? So therefore it renders the whole argument useless. sammynb, who said it was an argument? It's certainly an observation, but if it's an argument, it has to be an argument for something. You're jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It's a battle, not an argument. Get your fucking terminology right, sammy. This is serious shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Where Pardoo has "improved" us is getting points off the bottm clubs. 11 points out of West Ham, Wigan, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn. Hughton had only managed to take 5 points from those teams. But is this not a reflection also of when we played these teams and the fact 2nd time round they had the added pressure of being relegation fodder? So therefore it renders the whole argument useless. I'm not sure, but I think Pardoo has failed to take 3 points off ANY team we played that were in the top half at the timeof the game. Where were Liverpool on his first day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Where Pardoo has "improved" us is getting points off the bottm clubs. 11 points out of West Ham, Wigan, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn. Hughton had only managed to take 5 points from those teams. But is this not a reflection also of when we played these teams and the fact 2nd time round they had the added pressure of being relegation fodder? So therefore it renders the whole argument useless. I'm not sure, but I think Pardoo has failed to take 3 points off ANY team we played that were in the top half at the timeof the game. Where were Liverpool on his first day? Pretty sure they were in the bottom half like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 What REALLY pissed me off over the weekend was Hansen on football focus saying how Pardoo has turned it around at Newcastle. Credit him with keeping the ship steady by all means, but we were looking perfectly goodbefore he arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 What REALLY pissed me off over the weekend was Hansen on football focus saying how Pardoo has turned it around at Newcastle. Credit him with keeping the ship steady by all means, but we were looking perfectly goodbefore he arrived. Think the week before he said he'd 'steadied the ship'. Might've been Lawrenson though. Like you say though it was steady to start with. You can bet they were both saying it was ridiculous when Hughton got the push as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3523 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Where Pardoo has "improved" us is getting points off the bottm clubs. 11 points out of West Ham, Wigan, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn. Hughton had only managed to take 5 points from those teams. But is this not a reflection also of when we played these teams and the fact 2nd time round they had the added pressure of being relegation fodder? So therefore it renders the whole argument useless. sammynb, who said it was an argument? It's certainly an observation, but if it's an argument, it has to be an argument for something. You're jumping to conclusions. Bullshit, you're using a fucked up, not very accurate stat as an argument that rapey is better than Hughton. If not, why do you keep updating it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Where Pardoo has "improved" us is getting points off the bottm clubs. 11 points out of West Ham, Wigan, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn. Hughton had only managed to take 5 points from those teams. But is this not a reflection also of when we played these teams and the fact 2nd time round they had the added pressure of being relegation fodder? So therefore it renders the whole argument useless. sammynb, who said it was an argument? It's certainly an observation, but if it's an argument, it has to be an argument for something. You're jumping to conclusions. Bullshit, you're using a fucked up, not very accurate stat as an argument that rapey is better than Hughton. If not, why do you keep updating it? The stats are accurate. It's the conclusions that are a bit iffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Nick KP 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 sammy no, if you relaxed more, and were a bit more patient, you'd see that I present my conclusion after each statistic, and my conclusion last time was that it was 'very close'. Can you not see that? There is no way that anyone could say Pardew was probably better than Hughton based on that stat. The only thing that is indicated by that stat is that the 2 managers are fairly even, but even that is only an indication and not proved at all. I'm publishing the stat, because I believe it's fairly interesting, and I believe there are plenty of people who are intelligent enough to see that this stat doesn't prove enything, just suggests things. Now have a cup of tea, calm down and listen to some Enya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3523 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Where Pardoo has "improved" us is getting points off the bottm clubs. 11 points out of West Ham, Wigan, Wolves, Blackpool and Blackburn. Hughton had only managed to take 5 points from those teams. But is this not a reflection also of when we played these teams and the fact 2nd time round they had the added pressure of being relegation fodder? So therefore it renders the whole argument useless. sammynb, who said it was an argument? It's certainly an observation, but if it's an argument, it has to be an argument for something. You're jumping to conclusions. Bullshit, you're using a fucked up, not very accurate stat as an argument that rapey is better than Hughton. If not, why do you keep updating it? The stats are accurate. It's the conclusions that are a bit iffy. Mark Twain once stated, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3523 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 sammy no, if you relaxed more, and were a bit more patient, you'd see that I present my conclusion after each statistic, and my conclusion last time was that it was 'very close'. Can you not see that? There is no way that anyone could say Pardew was probably better than Hughton based on that stat. The only thing that is indicated by that stat is that the 2 managers are fairly even, but even that is only an indication and not proved at all. I'm publishing the stat, because I believe it's fairly interesting, and I believe there are plenty of people who are intelligent enough to see that this stat doesn't prove enything, just suggests things. Now have a cup of tea, calm down and listen to some Enya. fuck off, it's about as interesting as your pr campaign. And stick Enya up your arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Mark Twain once stated, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." He was a bit thick then wasn't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Nick KP 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) : The statistic is not a lie. But if you say it shows that Pardew is better than Hughton, then THAT would be a lie. But I haven't said that at all. Edited May 16, 2011 by Nick-Kielce-Poland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3523 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Mark Twain once stated, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." He was a bit thick then wasn't he. An alleged American humourist, so what can you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Nick KP 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Mark Twain was a wonderful writer, but he was wrong about statistics being lies (he was living at a different time, and was attacking people who use statistics to prove something not true). If we lose to WBA, Hughton will have won, and I will publish the stat then too. But no matter what happens against WBA, it's far too close to call between Hughton and Pardew, and only an idiot would believe anything was proved by that stat. And what's more, only an idiot would believe that my publishing this stat automatically means I think it proves something. Edited May 16, 2011 by Nick-Kielce-Poland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Get off that fence, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3523 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Mark Twain was a wonderful writer, but he was wrong about statistics being lies (he was living at a different time, and was attacking people who use statistics to prove something not true). If we lose to WBA, Hughton will have won, and I will publish the stat then too. But no matter what happens against WBA, it's far too close to call between Hughton and Pardew, and only an idiot would believe anything was proved by that stat. And what's more, only an idiot would believe that my publishing this stat automatically means I think it proves something. So, tell us, why did you post (not publish - it's not a book/magazine) these stats? As HF rightly pointed out earlier Rapey hasn't been more successful against the clubs in the top half of the table and as I stated comparing results against teams that are relegation fodder later in the season, when the doomed mindset has set in to the players, remember that feeling (no, oh yeah you were still supporting man u then), is like comparing apples and oranges - two pieces of fruit but that's about the only similarity. So exactly, what are we comparing/discussing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Nick KP 0 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 I posted it because I think it plays a part in the discussion about who is better of Hughton or Pardew. At the moment it suggests that they are very even, nothing else. And notice, I say 'suggests' not proves. I am only after the truth. I hope Pardew is better, since he is the current manager, but in no way do I think this stat proves anything of the sort, and I never have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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