Phil 6 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Gemmill the way I see it both are in the wrong the weight thing is Ben Arfa's fault. The lying about Ben Arfa being injured and blaming him for countless goals against us is Pardews fault. Apparently both manager and player have issues with each other I think it would be best for both to part company. To suggest that Pardew would build a team around Ben Arfa is crazy imho too many bridges have been burned between the two of them.i thought it was Elliott that said it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 i thought it was Elliott that said it? Said what ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Said what ?blaming Ben arfa for conceding goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44184 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I thought Gemmill didn't even like football anymore? Neither does Ben Arfa. Not as much as he likes his dinner anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Players who have improved under Pardew? Best, Williamson, Perch, Guthrie, Raylor Pretty much all these fringe players were universally written off by most. Pardew gets a lot of stick, but the fact is he's had a top integral player sold almost every season and left high and dry by Ashley. Pardew deserves the stick he gets as he knew what he was singing up for and is more than happy to accept what comes his way. "Do it for Mike." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4676 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I would think 99.9% of Newcastle fans could agree on the following points. So why we keep discussing them seems odd. 1. We would all prefer a better manager than Pardew. 2. Hatem Ben Arfa has added to his own woes by letting himself go. 3. Ben Arfa had a good run at the start of last season and only had one really good game (villa) 4. Ben Arfa is no Shane Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Of course if he stays Pardews got a whipping boy for if/when it goes tits up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10674 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I'd like to see Cabella, De Jong, Lacazette and HBA as a front four. But even though that's a feasible outcome, we won't, because Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I'd like to see Cabella, De Jong, Lacazette and HBA as a front four. But even though that's a feasible outcome, we won't, because Newcastle. That would be splendid Mr Fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32652 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 "I'd like to see Cabella, De Jong, Lacazette and HBA as a front four. But even though that's a feasible outcome, we won't, because Newcastle." "Newcastle, what?" "Nothing." "Go on, what were going to say?" "Nothing." "Yes, you were. You were going to say something." "No, I wasn't. I'd finished." "Oh, no you weren't. Oh, come on. Tell us before you go." "I wasn't going to say anything. I'd finished." "No, you hadn't. What won't he tell? He won't say. Is it a secret? "No." "It must be. Otherwise, he'd tell us." "Oh go away, leave me alone! Just FUCK OFF!" "How shall we fuck off, O Fish?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4676 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheMag 4 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Have to hope that HBA sees this as an opportunity and makes the most of it. He must realize that time is ticking on his career and that if he wants to make anything of it he has to perform this season. Would be typical that despite everything over the last few years, it's only the motivation to make money on his next contract that forces him to play well this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30175 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 @HMHM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 We all know Ben Arfa has the talent to be a top player over a season if he applies himself. When he first came he looked fantastic and you could see the effect he had on opposing players until he had his leg broke. We also know he's a bit of a loose cannon and had an attitude problem that Pardew managed to sort of iron out when he came here. The fans treated him like a god at first and he knew it. The leg break set him right back and it was only natural that it was gonna affect his confidence in terms of wondering when the next leg breaking tackle came in. From that point on, amid another bout of injury, he came back overweight, bulked up and half hearted/fit. All we seen for that point was flits of skill here and there and an unwillingness to track back or even try to win back the ball once he lost it, on many occasions. People can lay any blame they want on Pardew but the real downfall for Ben Arfa was and is himself. He's a player that believed his name should be on that team sheet, no matter what. Having said all that, I would love to see him stay and give us a season of his genius. Not 6 or 7 games....but a season. If he's 100% focused and fit, I'd have him in the team everytime. I think the manager and the club have been more than fair to Ben Arfa and so have the fans. It's time for him to give us all a boost by showing us that he has unfinished business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15353 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 We don't all know anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) That would be fine if the manager didn't constantly undermine him, spin against him, give him bit parts out of position and scapegoat him as he did whenever we had a bad result. I hope he leaves for his own sake to salvage the last third of his career. Edited July 7, 2014 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianMag 0 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 He's a class act and except for this season he has been consistent for us by and large. It's all a sorry state of affairs to be honest. If he's sidelined this season, he goes to another club this season. If he has a good season, his contract runs out and he chooses another club for sure. Either ways, we'll lose him either this season or the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Ben Arfa & Marveaux made to train with the kids it's obvious they're not wanted at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7238 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Ben Arfa & Marveaux made to train with the kids it's obvious they're not wanted at the club. Where was this said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianMag 0 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 No proper sources to be fair. I think it's just some Twitter mischief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32652 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Trooper saw this and feared the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 If it's like last year then Pardew promises that the players that return fittest for their position will start in pre season. Wonder if Ben arfa and marveaux can force their way into the starting team that way. "Lol" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/alan-pardew-makes-ben-arfa-marveaux-train-kids/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/ben-arfa-and-marveaux-told-to-train-with-the-reserves-at-newcastle-1-6716544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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